Diffusing the Threat from within

[jordanianprincess 0]

VP I do think that some of Mawlisons views are ignorant and have spent alot of time explaining my views. It not something I hide. You are obviously just trying to start sh!t. When someone makes a remark about arabs that can be taken as racist, I think I would be one of the first to feel the effect of that. There are many racist comments made in MENA about arab women by our own MENA members (not Michael) and I have never said a word about it.

You obviously have no idea what tolerence is. Racism isn't a fight you can win overnight and its defintly not one that will ever go away. If people of other races were not tolerent about some of the racism that goes on in the world, there would be wars in every street in American. When someone makes a racist comment, you can either ignore them or fight back. Fighting back is not going to change their views but it will most likely confirm it.

I'm sorry you keep saying that I am accusing you of trying to be an Arab, so why do you call yourself Leila again and wear Arab style clothing? I call it as I see it. If you are offended that I called you a Non-Arab then you are going to have very difficult time accepting your reality.

So you're offended that a non-Arab is offended about racism because if you're not Arab then you're not entitled to be offended by racism? #######?

I wear Indian/paki clothes more than Arab clothes... maybe I'm trying to be Indian too? Do clothes define our races now? Basically you just called me a wannabe. Nice.

When someone posted something I considered racist in this thread I did my part and reported it without incident... it wasn't until after it was removed and someone else came along to replace it that I spoke up about it. Then along comes you to tell me how mawilson has a right to be racist because of the news media or whatever else bull and started this fight with me so you can come 7 pages later and cry that I've insulted you?

Oh so I should worry now that I have insulted you after listening to your insults for 7 pages?

You don't even know what it means to be an Arab nor will you ever. The funny thing is that Arabs don't even concern themselves with the battles you fight. I never said Mawilson had the right to be racist. You are taking what I said out of context. The vast majority of Ameica feels the way Mawilson does and if we had you to represnt and defend us "arabs" well it would be a really sad day for us because you are only creating more hatred towards a race that is not yours.

I didnt start a fight with you. I simply made a comment and about what Mawilson said. Disagreeing with what you say is not a crime. I never attacked you or insulted you, you started that mess on your own.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

But that's not what I said Charlie....

firstly, it's charles. got it?

[Veiled Princess 1]

firstly, it's charles. got it?

next, you're really missing the boat here regarding western news sources. it is asinine for you to infer that people who watch western news sources become racist from watching such. we on the same page finally or do i need to use single syllable words?

I didn't say that anyone who watches the news here becomes racitst... I think ya need to go back to JP for that one since she's the one who used that for mawilson's defense.

Oh so I should worry now that I have insulted you after listening to your insults for 7 pages?

You don't even know what it means to be an Arab nor will you ever. The funny thing is that Arabs don't even concern themselves with the battles you fight. I never said Mawilson had the right to be racist. You are taking what I said out of context. The vast majority of Ameica feels the way Mawilson does and if we had you to represnt and defend us "arabs" well it would be a really sad day for us because you are only creating more hatred towards a race that is not yours.

I didnt start a fight with you. I simply made a comment and about what Mawilson said. Disagreeing with what you say is not a crime. I never attacked you or insulted you, you started that mess on your own.

Where did I insult you other than calling you on twisting my words????

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

firstly, it's charles. got it?

next, you're really missing the boat here regarding western news sources. it is asinine for you to infer that people who watch western news sources become racist from watching such. we on the same page finally or do i need to use single syllable words?

I didn't say that anyone who watches the news here becomes racitst... I think ya need to go back to JP for that one since she's the one who used that for mawilson's defense.

you're just wandering all over the map on this. have you been taking lessons from erekose on how to avoid being nailed down?

and yes, you did insinuate that westerners watching western news channels turn into racists.

[jordanianprincess 0]

firstly, it's charles. got it?

next, you're really missing the boat here regarding western news sources. it is asinine for you to infer that people who watch western news sources become racist from watching such. we on the same page finally or do i need to use single syllable words?

I didn't say that anyone who watches the news here becomes racitst... I think ya need to go back to JP for that one since she's the one who used that for mawilson's defense.

Oh so I should worry now that I have insulted you after listening to your insults for 7 pages?

You don't even know what it means to be an Arab nor will you ever. The funny thing is that Arabs don't even concern themselves with the battles you fight. I never said Mawilson had the right to be racist. You are taking what I said out of context. The vast majority of Ameica feels the way Mawilson does and if we had you to represnt and defend us "arabs" well it would be a really sad day for us because you are only creating more hatred towards a race that is not yours.

I didnt start a fight with you. I simply made a comment and about what Mawilson said. Disagreeing with what you say is not a crime. I never attacked you or insulted you, you started that mess on your own.

Where did I insult you other than calling you on twisting my words????

Did I twist your words? You have been twisting mine all along! You don't accept anything except your own ideas and explanations. I have further explained what my comments to Mawilson meant and you simply dont want to accept that and choose to go with your own theories.

[Bosco 1]

I am so lost jumping in here. I think JP's words have been totally misconstrued.

I think the reactions to the cartoon are overreactions. The whole reason for the seminar is THERE IS A PROBLEM!!!!!! So it is OK to talk about the problem when it is neatly packaged in a seminar but a cartoon that depicts a sad reality offends. Go figure! I myself find the actual terrorist schools WAY more offensive than a flippin cartoon.

Edited November 6, 2006 by Bosco

[Veiled Princess 1]

you're just wandering all over the map on this. have you been taking lessons from erekose on how to avoid being nailed down?

and yes, you did insinuate that westerners watching western news channels turn into racists.

I most certainly did not. I merely replied to another poster who claimed that it's ok for people to be racist because of the news here.... which BTW I disagree with.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Ewok needs to post this sign at the entrance to the MENA group:

Edited November 6, 2006 by Gupt

[Jenn! 918]

I am so lost jumping in here. I think JP's words have been totally misconstrued.

I think the reactions to the cartoon are overreactions. The whole reason for the seminar is THERE IS A PROBLEM!!!!!! So it is OK to talk about the problem when it is neatly packaged in a seminar but a cartoon that depicts a sad reality offends. Go figure! I myself find the actual terrorist schools WAY more offensive than a flippin cartoon.

Maybe the cartoon would have seemed profound and relevant had someone else posted it. I had to consider the poster. Probably my bad, but I don't think the intent was to start a healthy debate about a sad reality.

[Veiled Princess 1]

Did I twist your words? You have been twisting mine all along! You don't accept anything except your own ideas and explanations. I have further explained what my comments to Mawilson meant and you simply dont want to accept that and choose to go with your own theories.

You've been twisting my words this whole time.

I'm not twisting your words when you come here and defend a racist. Racism is not excusable and it's not tolerable. Ever. It doesn't matter if it's towards arabs, whites, blacks, indians, asians, or little green martians

You just found this as your excuse to call me a wannabe. Good job.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Ewok needs to post this sign at the entrance to the MENA group:

snag!

[mawilson 2,133]

Well, I don't know any Arabs except you guys...

You live in New York. How is that possible?

There are no Arabs where I work. After work I go to the pub - and guess what, there are no Arabs there either.

[jordanianprincess 0]

I am so lost jumping in here. I think JP's words have been totally misconstrued.

I think the reactions to the cartoon are overreactions. The whole reason for the seminar is THERE IS A PROBLEM!!!!!! So it is OK to talk about the problem when it is neatly packaged in a seminar but a cartoon that depicts a sad reality offends. Go figure! I myself find the actual terrorist schools WAY more offensive than a flippin cartoon.

Maybe the cartoon would have seemed profound and relevant had someone else posted it. I had to consider the poster. Probably my bad, but I don't think the intent was to start a healthy debate about a sad reality.

Ok maybe it was not the intent, but what is wrong with the debate? Like Rebecca said, the seminar is to address a real problem. The cartoon is a perfect example of that.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well, I don't know any Arabs except you guys...

You live in New York. How is that possible?

There are no Arabs where I work.

Wow.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Maybe the cartoon would have seemed profound and relevant had someone else posted it. I had to consider the poster.

aha! so you're admitting to prejudice yourself!