31 arguments against gay marriage (and why they’re all wrong)

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Post removed for baiting, get back to topic.

Quoting someone is baiting? Good to know.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

Here's the thing: people have children for selfish reasons. They also decide not to have children for selfish reasons.

No problem with that; let everybody do what they want.

But when children come into play, the question is whether or not a child that grows up with two men or two women will develop totally "norm-ally" without any bias. I don't think such a study exists yet. Or does it?

So if a little girl grow up and asks questions, and learns that her daddy steps behind her other daddy and inserts his . . . um . . . personality into the cavity she uses in the bathroom, and they make not-so-funny noises while listening to the Village People, will this girl be like a girl who grew up with a loving mother and a loving father, or will she have a distorted impression of sexual activity?

How will this girl answer when her classmates in school talk about their mommy and daddy and she has two daddies? Will that be accepted by her classmates or will this girl's heart be broken?

Again, gay marriage is one thing; adoption adds a totally different dimension to this.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So if a little girl grow up and asks questions, and learns that her daddy steps behind her other daddy and inserts his . . . um . . . personality into the cavity she uses in the bathroom, and they make not-so-funny noises while listening to the Village People, will this girl be like a girl who grew up with a loving mother and a loving father, or will she have a distorted impression of sexual activity?

What the eff?

[Danno 1,228]

the gays are people too!

Deep thought.

Why even pedophiles are people.... did you have a point?

(this is what passes for college level debate today).

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Deep thought.

Why even pedophiles are people.... did you have a point?

(this is what passes for college level debate today).

Stop comparing homosexuals to pedophiles if you want people to debate with you seriously.

[Danno 1,228]

Anyone would rather have two parents who love them unconditionally, even if they are the same sex, than be in an orphanage. Are you on drugs? You have to be.

What about couples who use artificial means of conception? The child is 50% of their DNA. Still better off in an orphanage?

They look like every other couple with their kids. But since the parents are gay, they'll probably abuse them and pass them around at their orgies. The kids will grow up mentally unstable and inevitably gay and perpetuate the gay-rape epidemic. This is literally what people think, you too probably.

Can't wait till this narrow minded, ignorant generation disappears and the world can progress.

Is this how you feel good about yourself.... you inject charges no one else has and then act disgusted.... gives you that warm superior feeing huh?

But since you did raise the issue of these kids having a much greater likelihood of turning out gay. thought you might like this tidbit.

Bear in mind the latest census report show 3-4% or people identify as gay.

Yet look at the number of gay kids gay parents seem to produce..... certainly erodes the "we are all born that way" suggestion.

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Study: Gay Parents More Likely to Have Gay Kids

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/10/17/study-gay-parents-more-likely-to-have-gay-kids/

[Danno 1,228]

Stop comparing homosexuals to pedophiles if you want people to debate with you seriously.

PLease ... Made no comparison at all, I simply highlighted the silly phrase "Gays are people too", it has no meaning whatsoever as the very best and the very worse humans are .... people too.

Why did you automatically draw Gays and pedophiles together... when so comparison was made?

Is there something you want to share with the group?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

PLease ... Made no comparison at all, I simply highlighted the silly phrase "Gays are people too", it has no meaning whatsoever as the very best and the very worse humans are .... people too.

Why did you automatically draw Gays and pedophiles together... when so comparison was made?

Is there something you want to share with the group?

You're the one who can't seem to stop talking about pedophiles when anyone is having a discussion about same sex marriage.

I didn't bring up pedophiles. You did.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Here's the thing: people have children for selfish reasons. They also decide not to have children for selfish reasons.

No problem with that; let everybody do what they want.

But when children come into play, the question is whether or not a child that grows up with two men or two women will develop totally "norm-ally" without any bias. I don't think such a study exists yet. Or does it?

So if a little girl grow up and asks questions, and learns that her daddy steps behind her other daddy and inserts his . . . um . . . personality into the cavity she uses in the bathroom, and they make not-so-funny noises while listening to the Village People, will this girl be like a girl who grew up with a loving mother and a loving father, or will she have a distorted impression of sexual activity?

How will this girl answer when her classmates in school talk about their mommy and daddy and she has two daddies? Will that be accepted by her classmates or will this girl's heart be broken?

Again, gay marriage is one thing; adoption adds a totally different dimension to this.

More people with no children.

It is quite likely daddy does the same to thing mommy just for a little Friday night fun but the little girl doesn't know it because mommy and daddy do not tell the little girl what they do in the bedroom. Jeezum.

I am sure there are things I do in my heterosexual marriage that some other people don;t agree with (and are even illegal in some states...that's where the fun is) so why not make LAWS saying what, exactly, we can and cannot do in our bedrooms?

Frankly, whether I like homosexuals or not (I really could not care less) I do not want someone making a LAW about what my wife and I, or any other consenting adults we care to invite, can do in OUR bedroom. If I accept restrictions on one form of sex between consenting adults then I have to accept restrictions on all forms. I am not willing to do that.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Here's the thing: people have children for selfish reasons. They also decide not to have children for selfish reasons.

No problem with that; let everybody do what they want.

But when children come into play, the question is whether or not a child that grows up with two men or two women will develop totally "norm-ally" without any bias. I don't think such a study exists yet. Or does it?

So if a little girl grow up and asks questions, and learns that her daddy steps behind her other daddy and inserts his . . . um . . . personality into the cavity she uses in the bathroom, and they make not-so-funny noises while listening to the Village People, will this girl be like a girl who grew up with a loving mother and a loving father, or will she have a distorted impression of sexual activity?

How will this girl answer when her classmates in school talk about their mommy and daddy and she has two daddies? Will that be accepted by her classmates or will this girl's heart be broken?

Again, gay marriage is one thing; adoption adds a totally different dimension to this.

[Danno 1,228]

Here's the thing: people have children for selfish reasons. They also decide not to have children for selfish reasons.

No problem with that; let everybody do what they want.

But when children come into play, the question is whether or not a child that grows up with two men or two women will develop totally "norm-ally" without any bias. I don't think such a study exists yet. Or does it?

So if a little girl grow up and asks questions, and learns that her daddy steps behind her other daddy and inserts his . . . um . . . personality into the cavity she uses in the bathroom, and they make not-so-funny noises while listening to the Village People, will this girl be like a girl who grew up with a loving mother and a loving father, or will she have a distorted impression of sexual activity?

How will this girl answer when her classmates in school talk about their mommy and daddy and she has two daddies? Will that be accepted by her classmates or will this girl's heart be broken?

Again, gay marriage is one thing; adoption adds a totally different dimension to this.

The actual research is slim .. most of it that floats around is poorly done and not really scientific as the sample population is small which makes it expensive so consequently what we have seen is basically ads taen out in gay publication seeking volunteers.

The problem with that method it would be like the NRA taking out ads in gun magazines to study how well people do with guns in their lives.

However recently there was released the most exhaustive study yet and parts of it are veery troubling.

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Study suggests risks from same-sex parenting

Two studies released Sunday may act like brakes on popular social-science assertions that gay parents are the same as — or maybe better than — married mother-father parents.

“The empirical claim that no notable differences exist must go,” University of Texas sociology professor Mark Regnerus said in his study in Social Science Research.

Using a “gold standard” data set of nearly 3,000 randomly selected American young adults, Mr. Regnerus looked at their lives on 40 measures of social, emotional and relationship outcomes.

He found that, when compared with adults raised in married, mother-father families, adults raised by lesbian mothers had negative outcomes in 24 of 40 categories, while adults raised by gay fathers had negative outcomes in 19 categories.>>>>>>> (snip)

Read more: Study suggests risks from same-sex parenting - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/10/study-suggests-risks-from-same-sex-parenting/#ixzz2CpNAJyy0

one of the unique things about this study was they tracked how kids developed into adulthood.

Rather than asking a 15 year old "Does it bother you that you have 2 moms?"

Which is typically what we have seen in the past.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Danno

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

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[Gary and Alla 3,694]

PLease ... Made no comparison at all, I simply highlighted the silly phrase "Gays are people too", it has no meaning whatsoever as the very best and the very worse humans are .... people too.

Why did you automatically draw Gays and pedophiles together... when so comparison was made?

Is there something you want to share with the group?

Here is what I do not understand Danno. Sty that you succeed in banning Gay marriage. No question, it is banned in all states and all countries. Period. Issue settled.

Now what? Will all the gay men become straight and marry former lesbians? Will homosexuality cease to exist. Will homosexual men stop kissing other men in public? Will YOUR marriage be better?

I think, first, we need to eliminate any legal preference for one form of marriage over another. That eliminates most of the problem. The FAIR TAX would solve that along with a lot of other problems. Since there is no longer any tax benefit to being married.

But that aside...what do you gain? I see it only as a restriction of what we can do in our bedroom and a denial of rights/benefits/privileges to certain people based on what they do in their bedroom. That just is NOT OK! Period. I do not have to like what they do and I do not have to do it myself, that is just not right!

If that is what our society is based on (and given the history of slavery, racial discrimination and, now, exploitation of illegal aliens for profit, it would seem to be) then it needs to be changed.

[Danno 1,228]

Here is what I do not understand Danno. Sty that you succeed in banning Gay marriage. No question, it is banned in all states and all countries. Period. Issue settled.

Now what? Will all the gay men become straight and marry former lesbians? Will homosexuality cease to exist. Will homosexual men stop kissing other men in public? Will YOUR marriage be better?

I think, first, we need to eliminate any legal preference for one form of marriage over another. That eliminates most of the problem. The FAIR TAX would solve that along with a lot of other problems. Since there is no longer any tax benefit to being married.

But that aside...what do you gain? I see it only as a restriction of what we can do in our bedroom and a denial of rights/benefits/privileges to certain people based on what they do in their bedroom. That just is NOT OK! Period. I do not have to like what they do and I do not have to do it myself, that is just not right!

If that is what our society is based on (and given the history of slavery, racial discrimination and, now, exploitation of illegal aliens for profit, it would seem to be) then it needs to be changed.

Gary a serious question gets a serous answer.

if you just wanted to repeat your opinion, no need to use my post as a vehicle.

[keysjangle 145]

Here's the thing: people have children for selfish reasons. They also decide not to have children for selfish reasons.

No problem with that; let everybody do what they want.

But when children come into play, the question is whether or not a child that grows up with two men or two women will develop totally "norm-ally" without any bias. I don't think such a study exists yet. Or does it?

So if a little girl grow up and asks questions, and learns that her daddy steps behind her other daddy and inserts his . . . um . . . personality into the cavity she uses in the bathroom, and they make not-so-funny noises while listening to the Village People, will this girl be like a girl who grew up with a loving mother and a loving father, or will she have a distorted impression of sexual activity?

How will this girl answer when her classmates in school talk about their mommy and daddy and she has two daddies? Will that be accepted by her classmates or will this girl's heart be broken?

Again, gay marriage is one thing; adoption adds a totally different dimension to this.

The usual issue with homosexuality arises: everyone focuses on the act of sex. Being a homosexual isn't JUST about sex, just as being hetero isn't either. Your orientation decides who you are attracted to, who you want to create romantic, committed relationships with. And what is the ultimate purpose of this? Creating children and nurturing them. Yes, sex is a part of it, but gay people are humans (as some seem to forget.) So, as long as two committed adults can come together and raise a child, that child will be educated and knowledgeable. They will learn about how it feels to be judged, but they will also learn about the ignorance that drives people to lash out. They'll learn to feel bad for you, hope that you have a nice life, and they'll get on with theirs. They'll in turn learn not to judge. They'll learn about acceptance and compassion. That sounds like an awesome upbringing to me.

And besides, how many straight people f*cked up their kids? A lot. A whole lot, clearly. It's not like parents f*cking up their kids is a new phenomenon. So why pick on homosexual couples for it? Why not pick on the people you see in the street whose kids are drug addicts, strippers, alcoholic, child porn makers, or felons? You'll be one busy son of a b*tch.

I'll say it one more time: Times are changing. Homophobia isn't tolerated by the majority. Minority pockets still resist because they've been trained to believe that it is wrong. They feel their world shrinking and being "attacked" simply because other people's brains function, and they understand that homosexuals pose zero threat to them, their lives or their world. There is NO real reason for it to be wrong. Two consenting adults can do whatever they want - unless your preacher/imam/rabbi/etc says they can't. It all boils down to religion and it's despicable.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Gervl