Thousands march against same-sex marriage bill

[Ban Hammer 13,569]

sex is small stuff.

it's a lot like air - not really all that important until you're not getting any.

[Danno 1,228]

No. The last thing a child needs is someone who will neglect them, abuse them, or mistreat them in any way.

Yes you are right, that is the "last thing" but lets just assume we agree on that and rather talk about the first things a child needs.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Yiou are not asking the same question. SaharaSunset cannot defend their position against GAY marriage so they have to compare it to child molestation, rape, abuse, etc. If we keep the topic on the marriage of consenting adults then this nonsense goes away.

I wasn't really offering an opinion I was just being a pest... I only know one gay couple (well one of the two) raising a child (an adopted boy from eastern Europe) and he is a very good man. I grew up next to two polygamist families.. One family I didn't know well enough to form an opinion and the other had a kid my age and it was common knowledge around school that his dad beat him on a regular basis.

I understand your argument and agree with it in principle.. But it would require complete changes in how the government makes policy as today it centers on the family (taxes, health care, etc) I don't see this changing anytime in our future.. I think gay marriage is one of those inevitable things that are going to happen with our society. Plural marriage will never happen - too easy to frame it as victimizing of women.

Edited November 21, 2012 by OnMyWayID

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Yes you are right, that is the "last thing" but lets just assume we agree on that and rather talk about the first things a child needs.

Ok sounds fair. How about the first thing any child needs is to not be brainwashed by crotchety homophobes?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Yes you are right, that is the "last thing" but lets just assume we agree on that and rather talk about the first things a child needs.

Child needs a parent (or parents) to guide them, support them, nurture them, educate them, care for them, love them.

It's disgusting to assume that because a man loves another man or because a woman loves another woman that they'd be incapable of providing that for a child.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

This has to be like the fifth time I've heard you describe this scene.

Luckily for children and the rest of society, what you personally believe doesn't matter.

I think he is obsessed with men tongue kissing. Is it possible those two men kissing in McDonald's made him so angry and emotionally shaken for a different reason ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexuality

A theory that homophobia is a result of latent homosexuality was put forth in the late 20th century. A 1996 study conducted at the University of Georgia by Henry Adams, Lester Wright Jr., and Bethany Lohr^[1] indicates that a number of homophobic males exhibit latent homosexuality. The research was done on 64 heterosexual men, 35 of whom exhibited homophobic traits and 29 who did not. They were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The groups did not differ in aggression.^[1]

Three tests were conducted using penile plethysmography. While there was no difference in response when the men were exposed to heterosexual and lesbian pornography, there was a major difference in response when the men were exposed to male homosexual pornography.

The researchers reported that 24% of the non-homophobic men showed some degree of tumescence in response to the male homosexual video, compared to 54% of the subjects who scored high on the homophobia scale. In addition, 66% of the non-homophobic group showed no significant increases in tumescence after this video, but only 20% of the homophobic men failed to display any arousal. Additionally, when the participants rated their degree of sexual arousal later, the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual video.

The results of this study indicate that individuals who score in the homophobic range and admit negative affect toward homosexuality demonstrate significant sexual arousal to male homosexual erotic stimuli.

A possible explanation is found in various psychoanalytic theories, which have generally explained homophobia as a threat to an individual's own homosexual impulses causing repression, denial, or reaction formation (or all three; West, 1977). Generally, these varied explanations conceive of homophobia as one type of latent homosexuality where persons either are unaware of or deny their homosexual urges.^[1]

Another explanation of these data is found in Barlow, Sakheim, and Beck's (1983) theory of the role of anxiety and attention in sexual responding. It is possible that viewing homosexual stimuli causes negative emotions such as anxiety in homophobic men but not in nonhomophobic men. Because anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection, this theory would predict increases in erection in homophobic men.^[1]

[Danno 1,228]

Child needs a parent (or parents) to guide them, support them, nurture them, educate them, care for them, love them.

It's disgusting to assume that because a man loves another man or because a woman loves another woman that they'd be incapable of providing that for a child.

No one said a Gay couple can't provide some of what a child needs, my undeniable contention is: A gay couple can not provide what a normal mom and dad can.

We need only listen to gay supporters right here to see how clear it is. How do they respond, by comparing the two men playing husband and wife with some dysfunctional hetro couple.

Sure it usually goes like this-

"Well isn't it better for a kid to be raised by a gay couple than have a father which beats them every night with a rubber hose and burns their little body with cigarettes?"

And to that I would have to agree.

[Danno 1,228]

Ok sounds fair. How about the first thing any child needs is to not be brainwashed by crotchety homophobes?

Are you baiting me READY?

You do that a lot and you're pretty good at it, in fact I am beginning to think you might just be a master-baiter .......why with all your practice.

Is there something you want to share with the group?

Edited November 22, 2012 by Danno

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I wonder if that same majority also supports polygamy?....Especially the polygamist sects where 50+ year old men marry 12 & 14 year old girls. I mean that "majority" is supposedly the open minded ones right? Just because "the backward crowd" says that a 14 year is not an adult, and its wrong to many multiple wives doesn't make it so. I mean, what makes someone an "adult"? - social norms. So isn't it being the most open-minded to break with old fashioned "social stigmas." Come now, who's gonna march for the polygamists of America!? And what about the folks who want to marry their 1st cousin...or sibling? Who will march for them?

Think you have it all twisted. It's the backward crowd - 7th century or thereabout - that thinks it's perfectly fine to marry away underage girls to already married old guys. That's not the progressive crowd advocating this as the new normal.

[Danno 1,228]

Think you have it all twisted. It's the backward crowd - 7th century or thereabout - that thinks it's perfectly fine to marry away underage girls to already married old guys. That's not the progressive crowd advocating this as the new normal.

I think you missed the point being made altogether... it happens.

PS: One need not go all the way to the 7yh century to find a positive majority opinion on these types of older guy-younger girl unions, in fact one might think we are speaking of the Rollings Stones on tour.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

No one said a Gay couple can't provide some of what a child needs, my undeniable contention is: A gay couple can not provide what a normal mom and dad can.

We need only listen to gay supporters right here to see how clear it is. How do they respond, by comparing the two men playing husband and wife with some dysfunctional hetro couple.

Sure it usually goes like this-

"Well isn't it better for a kid to be raised by a gay couple than have a father which beats them every night with a rubber hose and burns their little body with cigarettes?"

And to that I would have to agree.

But you are basing your argument on SEX. You are assuming a MAN and a WOMAN are a "normal Mom and Dad" and two men or two women are not. I don't. At least not just because they are opposite sexes.

Would I want MY children adopted by homosexuals. No. Period, no. Does that mean I am against homosexuals adopting children? No. Period, no. I made arrangements for the care of my children long ago in case of our deaths, I do not want them "adopted" by anyone, I do not want them in the situation to be adopted. But do I want the government to make a LAW saying homosexuals CANNOT adopt children that need homes and parents? No, absolutely not.

[Danno 1,228]

But you are basing your argument on SEX. You are assuming a MAN and a WOMAN are a "normal Mom and Dad" and two men or two women are not.

In part thats true, it's also true that words have meaning.... or at least they used to.

So when I use the term "normal" I use it in a broad sense rather than personally because as you point out our unique experiences sometime give of "different normals" such as a child eating from a dogs bowl on the floor have a differnt normal than the average child.

So when I say mom and dad is a normal relationship I speak past my experience to most of history and to all corners of the globe and I would bet... if asked, the vast majority of people, even in -Gay friendly countries- would agree with me that- a child being raised by a mom and dad is normal.

Conversely, two men raising children is not normal.

Words have meanings.

normal |ˈnôrməl|

adjective

1 conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected : it's quite normal for puppies to bolt their food | normal working hours.

Edited November 23, 2012 by Danno

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

In part thats true, it's also true that words have meaning.... or at least they used to.

So when I use the term "normal" I use it in a broad sense rather than personally because as you point out our unique experiences sometime give of "different normals" such as a child eating from a dogs bowl on the floor have a differnt normal than the average child.

So when I say mom and dad is a normal relationship I speak past my experience to most of history and to all corners of the globe and I would bet... if asked, the vast majority of people, even in -Gay friendly countries- would agree with me that- a child being raised by a mom and dad is normal.

Conversely, two men raising children is not normal.

Words have meanings.

normal |ˈnôrməl|

adjective

1 conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected : it's quite normal for puppies to bolt their food | normal working hours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OkcucXIuVI

Edited November 23, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Penny Lane 8,159]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OkcucXIuVI

What point are you trying to make with that video?