Thousands march against same-sex marriage bill

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Because Americans are a bright bunch these days. Take Micheal Jackson for instance. A child molester that some Americans still revere.

Yep and how would you like one of your children being adopted by them? Think on that one.

Lots of people with no children have this opinion. And it is easy for them to say. They never had the care of a child or know what it is to love someone unconditionally and care for their welfare unconditionally. Have a child, Kip. The first few months that child will DIE without your care. Sleep next top them when they are burning with fever and you hope what the doctor prescribed is working, take them to the hospital when they are sick or hurt, go to their graduation and see them given the top honors in the school, go to their swim meets, soccer games, basketball games, work with them on their homework, teach them to speak English...then tell me you would turn down the loving care of someone for your child because of what they do in their bedroom! Hell our children don't have a clue what we do in our bedroom. Well, maybe a clue. But not more. But I can tell you that there are people here that would not want us to care for their children if they knew what we do. That has nothing to do with child raising.

We care for our own children. If Alla and I died in a plane crash, that is taken care of also because we CARE for our children.

As to whether I would want a child adopted by gay or lesbian parents...I really don't care. I would care that they be cared for to the best of the ability of those two people and that's all.

When you care for and love someone enough you really only care that they are happy and cared for.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I wonder if that same majority also supports polygamy?....Especially the polygamist sects where 50+ year old men marry 12 & 14 year old girls. I mean that "majority" is supposedly the open minded ones right? Just because "the backward crowd" says that a 14 year is not an adult, and its wrong to many multiple wives doesn't make it so. I mean, what makes someone an "adult"? - social norms. So isn't it being the most open-minded to break with old fashioned "social stigmas." Come now, who's gonna march for the polygamists of America!? And what about the folks who want to marry their 1st cousin...or sibling? Who will march for them?

I support polygamy. However if I follow my idea of making marriage a contract then one has to be 18 to enter into a contract.

1st cousin is OK, biologically safe, so why not? Sibling can create genetic problems so probably not to be recommended. Otherwise, if an adult man wants to marry his adult sister and she agrees, what business is it of yours or the government's?

Child abuse and molestation have nothing to do with consensual adult sexual activity. No more than narco-terrorists are related to the Rite Aid Pharmacist

Edited November 21, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Spare me. That last thing a child needs is to be put in the hands of two homosexuals. Maybe TV these days says that those people are playing with a full deck but reality says different. No child should have to go through that #######.

No. The last thing a child needs is someone who will neglect them, abuse them, or mistreat them in any way.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

"Age of consent" is an arbitrary number, since I suspect you are a constitutionalist... where in the Constitution is the age "18" some magical number?

So then you are left with 1. the will of the people 2. tradition.

(You might also keep in mind, very few places require a person to be 18 to marry.... why confuse a "legal age of emancipation" to marriage law?)

Right now there are movements to lower the age of consent laws... by guess who?

You are a bright guy but you are following an untested method of social order based on a personal hunch and conviction.

Then age of consent in that state, and that means age of consent for contracts, NOT sex. We are talking about a marriage here, not sex.

The method we have has been tested and is not very good.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I wonder if that same majority also supports polygamy?....Especially the polygamist sects where 50+ year old men marry 12 & 14 year old girls. I mean that "majority" is supposedly the open minded ones right? Just because "the backward crowd" says that a 14 year is not an adult, and its wrong to many multiple wives doesn't make it so. I mean, what makes someone an "adult"? - social norms. So isn't it being the most open-minded to break with old fashioned "social stigmas." Come now, who's gonna march for the polygamists of America!? And what about the folks who want to marry their 1st cousin...or sibling? Who will march for them?

I was asking the same question.. Where is the support for all the other alternatives?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You're missing the point. "Age of consent" is a socially constructed number...and a number that the "government" tells us is okay. And by your same logic about rejecting the taboos of long ago, I don't see why a 50 year man can't marry a 12 year old. Its just a social taboo of today. Its the government who has made "age of consent." So if you want the government out of the bedroom, by your logic, that should apply to the sexual preferences of anyone...including a 50 year old man and 12 year old girl. Or visa versa. I wonder if those that support the gay lifestyle also supported Mary Kaye Laterneau? She loved that 12 year old boy...and he loved her. And now that he is of the government "age of consent" they are actually happily married. So the government was wrong to keep them apart - they really did love eachother even though she was mid-40s and he was 12. And before you find my argument offensive and disgusting, please remember that "age of consent" is a social construct....and again, by your logic, it should be throw by the wayside just like that old backward social construct of a man and woman being the "normal, healthy" relationship.

Once again. I want government out of MARRIAGE. Marriage shoudl be a contract, like getting your furnace changed. Tehre are basic rules which apply IF you want your contract to be enforceable by a civil court. Those rules are the same for getting installed or a marriage. People enter into unenforceable contracts all the time, their choice. That's fine too. There is an age of consent for sex. If the age of consent for sexual activity. If that is age 12 and a 50 year old wants to marry a 13 year old in an euneforceable marriage...#######!!!!!!!!!

Now ifio you can please discuss the topic and not go off on stupid topics, please join us.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

No. The last thing a child needs is someone who will neglect them, abuse them, or mistreat them in any way.

Ya your right. A kid needs to wake up in the morning, make his cheerios and then see his dad lay a lip lock on his other dad. 2+2=5 right?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Lots of people with no children have this opinion. And it is easy for them to say. They never had the care of a child or know what it is to love someone unconditionally and care for their welfare unconditionally. Have a child, Kip. The first few months that child will DIE without your care. Sleep next top them when they are burning with fever and you hope what the doctor prescribed is working, take them to the hospital when they are sick or hurt, go to their graduation and see them given the top honors in the school, go to their swim meets, soccer games, basketball games, work with them on their homework, teach them to speak English...then tell me you would turn down the loving care of someone for your child because of what they do in their bedroom! Hell our children don't have a clue what we do in our bedroom. Well, maybe a clue. But not more. But I can tell you that there are people here that would not want us to care for their children if they knew what we do. That has nothing to do with child raising.

We care for our own children. If Alla and I died in a plane crash, that is taken care of also because we CARE for our children.

As to whether I would want a child adopted by gay or lesbian parents...I really don't care. I would care that they be cared for to the best of the ability of those two people and that's all.

When you care for and love someone enough you really only care that they are happy and cared for.

Well Gary not all us want to see children adopted by homosexuals. I might buy into it if I just fell of the last box car but I didn't.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Ya your right. A kid needs to wake up in the morning, make his cheerios and then see his dad lay a lip lock on his other dad. 2+2=5 right?

This has to be like the fifth time I've heard you describe this scene.

Well Gary not all us want to see children adopted by homosexuals. I might buy into it if I just fell of the last box car but I didn't.

Luckily for children and the rest of society, what you personally believe doesn't matter.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I was asking the same question.. Where is the support for all the other alternatives?

I support the government getting out of marriage, that would open it up for many other alternatives. I have no problem with that

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well Gary not all us want to see children adopted by homosexuals. I might buy into it if I just fell of the last box car but I didn't.

Sorry Kip, you know I uaually agree with you on most stuff (particualrly RUB women!) but not this issue (big surprise) I might buy into what you say if you raised four sons. I don't sweat the small stuff and sex is small stuff.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Ya your right. A kid needs to wake up in the morning, make his cheerios and then see his dad lay a lip lock on his other dad. 2+2=5 right?

Kip, our children do not see Alla and I lay lip locks on each other in the kitchen. They do occasionally see Alla naked ...its gonna happen, but so what? We do not practice sexual activity in front of the children.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I was asking the same question.. Where is the support for all the other alternatives?

Yiou are not asking the same question. SaharaSunset cannot defend their postion against GAY marriage so they have to compare it to child molestation, rape, abuse, etc. If we keep the topic on the marriage of consenting adults then this nonsense goes away.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

To be consistent, if a government accepts a marriage between a man and a man or a marriage between a woman and a woman as a choice, I'm having a real problem in denying polygamists the same freedom as long as all parties involved are consenting adults.

By the way, the Prophet Mohamed got married to a 9-year-old and banged the living daylight out of her when she turned 12. For that very reason, Iran now considers lowering the age of consent from 12 to 9 years. So it is nothing but a socially accepted number indeed.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Brother Hesekiel

[Penny Lane 8,159]

To be consistent, if a government accepts a marriage between a man and a man or a marriage between a woman and a woman as a choice, I'm having a real problem in denying polygamists the same freedom as long as all parties involved are consenting adults.

I think this should be legal as well.