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[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I know it's hard to see the forest for the trees.

Well, you know it has nothing to do with the US election, since Obama is now free to purse his agenda without any concern for anything, except how history books will list him, other than as the first black president.

Israeli politics -- I am sure that is what is pushing Netanyahu to engage in a reckless act to appease the hardliners.

Analysis: Renewed Israel-Hamas conflict fed by Arab Spring, deep hatred _ and Israeli election

JERUSALEM — Since Israel completed a devastating military offensive in the Gaza Strip four years ago, military officials have warned it was only a matter of time before the next round of fighting. Violence erupted this week with little warning, driven by Hamas’ ambitions to make its mark on a changing Middle East and an Israeli government reacting to public outcry over rocket attacks just weeks ahead of national elections.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/analysis-renewed-israel-hamas-conflict-fed-by-arab-spring-deep-hatred-_-and-israeli-election/2012/11/16/c9732d98-302f-11e2-af17-67abba0676e2_story.html

Edited November 17, 2012 by The Patriot

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Obama and Merkel gave their support for a Israel ground invasion of Gaza three days ago.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Yahoo News > Middle East <---- Along with BBC it's where I get most all of my news. Yahoo uses several news sources including but not excluding Reuters, AP, Atlantic Journal (that one is biased imo), The Blaze, BBC, etc...

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Yahoo News > Middle East <---- Along with BBC it's where I get most all of my news. Yahoo uses several news sources including but not excluding Reuters, AP, Atlantic Journal (that one is biased imo), The Blaze, BBC, etc...

So, you are talking out your ####### as usual.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

You are barking up the wrong tree. I follow what's going on with Israel and it's neighbors just about every day in the news. I'v done this for years now. It's a hobby of mine. Hamas has broken every truce since Operation Lead. EVERY TRUCE. Hamas is rolling the dice hoping that Morsi will support them with military help from Egypt. Now if I was blind, deaf, and dumb and did not follow who fired first then I might actually buy into one of your post on this thread but seeing how I'm none of the above your post is a fail.

Well... you need to get some better sources for following your "hobby," 'cause your posts are consistently full of mis-statements of fact.

In fact, Israel has a history of breaking cease-fires. Here is a short recap:

2012 – On November 14, two days after Palestinian factions in Gaza agree to a truce following several days of violence, Israel assassinates the leader of Hamas’ military wing, Ahmed Jabari, threatening to escalate the violence once again after a week in which at least six Palestinian civilians are killed and dozens more wounded in Israeli attacks.

2012 - On March 9, Israel violates an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire and assassinates the head of the Gaza-based Popular Resistance Committees, sparking another round of violence in which at least two-dozen Palestinians are killed, including at least four civilians, and scores more wounded. As usual, Israel claims it is acting in self-defense, against an imminent attack being planned by the PRC, while providing no evidence to substantiate the allegation.

Following the assassination, Israeli journalist Zvi Bar’el writes in Haaretz newspaper:

'It is hard to understand what basis there is for the assertion that Israel is not striving to escalate the situation. One could assume that an armed response by the Popular Resistance Committees or Islamic Jihad to Israel’s targeted assassination was taken into account. But did anyone weigh the possibility that the violent reaction could lead to a greater number of Israeli casualties than any terrorist attack that Zuhair al-Qaisi, the secretary-general of the Popular Resistance Committees, could have carried out?

'In the absence of a clear answer to that question, one may assume that those who decided to assassinate al-Qaisi once again relied on the "measured response" strategy, in which an Israeli strike draws a reaction, which draws an Israeli counter-reaction.'

Just over two months prior, on the third anniversary of Operation Cast Lead, Israeli army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz tells Israel’s Army Radio that Israel will need to attack Gaza again soon to restore its power of “deterrence,” and that the assault must be “swift and painful,” concluding, “We will act when the conditions are right."

2011 – On October 29, Israel breaks a truce that has maintained calm for two months, killing five Islamic Jihad members in Gaza, including a senior commander. The following day, Egypt brokers another truce that Israel proceeds to immediately violate, killing another four IJ members. In the violence, a total of nine Palestinians and one Israeli are killed.

2008 - In November, Israel violates a ceasefire with Hamas and other Gaza-based militant groups that has been in place since June, launching an operation that kills six Hamas members. Militant groups respond by launching rockets into southern Israel, which Israel shortly thereafter uses to justify Operation Cast Lead, its devastating military assault on Gaza beginning on December 27. Over the next three weeks, the Israeli military kills approximately 1400 Palestinians, most of them civilians, including more than 300 children. A UN Human Rights Council Fact Finding Mission led by South African jurist Richard Goldstone subsequently concludes that both Israel and Hamas committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during the fighting, a judgment shared by human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

2002 - On July 23, hours before a widely reported ceasefire declared by Hamas and other Palestinian groups is scheduled to come into effect, Israel bombs an apartment building in the middle of the night in the densely populated Gaza Strip in order to assassinate Hamas leader Salah Shehada. Fourteen civilians, including nine children, are also killed in the attack, and 50 others wounded, leading to a scuttling of the ceasefire and a continuation of violence.

2002 – On January 14, Israel assassinates Raed Karmi, a militant leader in the Fatah party, following a ceasefire agreed to by all Palestinian militant groups the previous month, leading to its cancellation. Later in January, the first suicide bombing by the Fatah linked Al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade takes place.

2001 – On November 23, Israel assassinates senior Hamas militant Mahmoud Abu Hanoud. At the time, Hamas was adhering to an agreement made with PLO head Yasser Arafat not to attack targets inside of Israel. Following the killing, respected Israeli military correspondent of the right-leaning Yediot Ahronot newspaper, Alex Fishman, writes in a front-page story: "We again find ourselves preparing with dread for a new mass terrorist attack within the Green Line [israel's pre-1967 border]… Whoever gave a green light to this act of liquidation knew full well that he is thereby shattering in one blow the gentleman's agreement between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority; under that agreement, Hamas was to avoid in the near future suicide bombings inside the Green Line...” A week later, Hamas responds with bombings in Jerusalem and Haifa.

2001 – On July 25, as Israeli and Palestinian Authority security officials meet to shore up a six-week-old ceasefire, Israel assassinates a senior Hamas member in Nablus. Nine days later, Hamas responds with a suicide bombing in a Jerusalem pizzeria.

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http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/two-new-resources-timeline-of-israeli-escalation-in-gaza-and-israels-history-of-breaking-ceasefires.html

Same behavior in 1988, 1982, 1981, 1973, 1967, 1956, and 1949.

When all this is said and done I would be surprised if Israel didn't annex Gaza. It would be the smart thing to do on their part. It eliminates a problem and it's not like Israel's neighbors are going to warm up to them even if they don't annex Gaza. The Arab Spring took care of any hopes Israel ever had of making peace with it's neighbors. Best thing Israel can do now is clean house and if that means attacking it's neighbors in order to live a peaceful life then so be it. Obama and Merkel gave their support for a Israel ground invasion of Gaza three days ago.

Israel will not annex Gaza until it's emptied of every Palestinian man, woman and child. Hence the ongoing collective punishment of the population, 90% of whom are Palestinians driven from their homes in what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories it illegally occupies.

Well, you know it has nothing to do with the US election, since Obama is now free to purse his agenda without any concern for anything, except how history books will list him, other than as the first black president.

Israeli politics -- I am sure that is what is pushing Netanyahu to engage in a reckless act to appease the hardliners.

You are on the right track, and there is another method to his madness as well.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

So, you are talking out your ####### as usual.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/16/israel-gaza-obama_n_2147745.html

Israel Gears Up For Possible Gaza Ground War, With Obama Backing 'Right To Defend'

http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20121116-46211.html

Merkel blames Hamas for Gaza Strip violence

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=292162

Ashton, Merkel say Israel has right to defend itself

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFraW5nbmV3cy13d3ctaHJkcg0LEgRTZWVkGPbqyAsM/2012/11/16/germanys-chancellor-angela-merkel-says-she-holds-hamas-responsible-fo

Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel says she holds Hamas responsible for Gaza violence; calls on Egypt to use influence - @Reuters

Edited November 17, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Where in any of that does either Obama, or Merkel say it is okay to invade Gaza?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Where in any of that does either Obama, or Merkel say it is okay to invade Gaza?

Check this out and then think about it.

Israel has the right to defend itself. <----- Now seeing how Merkel, Ashton, and Obama already knew Israel was contemplating using ground forces against Hamas what does that tell you? You don't have to be a California rocket scientist to figure this one out.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Check this out and then think about it.

Israel has the right to defend itself. <----- Now seeing how Merkel, Ashton, and Obama already knew Israel was contemplating using ground forces against Hamas what does that tell you? You don't have to be a California rocket scientist to figure this one out.

So, you are still talking out your #######.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

So, you are still talking out your #######.

Explain that post please. I linked you while laying it out so that a 3rd grader could understand it yet that's the best you can come up with? Your PLO buddies started something (again), that Israel is going to finish with the backing of the West. Ironic though is that Obama threw in his support for the Arab Spring including but not excluding Morsi in Egypt. I along with most of the people in the free world with an IQ above a peanut called this Arab Spring for what it is.

btw you do know that Hamas along with Hezbollah has fighters in Syria supporting the Assad regime?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

U.S.: Israel Has Right to Defend Itself

Published April 18, 2006

Israel Has Right to Defend Itself

Published Juy 11, 1982

President Bush repeated October 7 that Israel has a right to defend itself

Published October 8, 2003

The phrase means nothing.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

U.S.: Israel Has Right to Defend Itself

Published April 18, 2006

Israel Has Right to Defend Itself

Published Juy 11, 1982

President Bush repeated October 7 that Israel has a right to defend itself

Published October 8, 2003

The phrase means nothing.

LOL...wth? It means just what it says it means. Israel has the go ahead as far as the West is concerned. That's what's called a "Green Light" in layman's terms. The future home of Hamas will be Cairo by the time it's all said and done. Hamas can maybe launch some missiles from there but that would only give Israel the green light to level Egypt..again. Last time Israel and Egypt went at it the Israeli's had their tanks within 20 miles of Cairo with nothing in front of them other than some sand. The US yanked Israel's leash when the USSR got involved and that's the only reason an Israeli flag wasn't flying over Cairo.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

U.S.: Israel Has Right to Defend Itself

Published April 18, 2006

Israel Has Right to Defend Itself

Published Juy 11, 1982

President Bush repeated October 7 that Israel has a right to defend itself

Published October 8, 2003

The phrase means nothing.

The question is: do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves ?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The question is: do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves ?

If they are sovereign, yes, the world has decided they have that right. However, the question the world refuses to answer, do Palestinians have the right to the means to do so?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The question is: do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves ?

There's only one way to solve the conflict between Hamas and Israel and it's being settled right now. Nothing short of war is going to solve anything between those two. Hamas bit off more than it can chew like it did last time right before Operation Lead. Nothings changed other than the Iron Dome. Hamas hid behind women and children last time like the no guts terrorist they have shown to be in the past and it's going to be pretty much of the same during the first two weeks of this next coming invasion. Except this time Israel isn't going to invade and pull out. It's going to finish a job it should have done last time. Hamas is going to go the way of Arafat. Their going to be crying to the UN and Arab countries from anywhere other than Gaza. Israel grows and Palestine goes back to what it was before the exodus of the Jews.