HIP Hijab

[Veiled Princess 1]

szsz, you didn't answer my question earlier... do you cover your hair when you pray or go to the masjid?

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

szsz, you didn't answer my question earlier... do you cover your hair when you pray or go to the masjid?

[Veiled Princess 1]

szsz, you didn't answer my question earlier... do you cover your hair when you pray or go to the masjid?

Charles you can put the popcorn away... I'm not looking to debate anyone on anything here... I'm just curious about it is all.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

szsz, you didn't answer my question earlier... do you cover your hair when you pray or go to the masjid?

Charles you can put the popcorn away... I'm not looking to debate anyone on anything here... I'm just curious about it is all.

[Veiled Princess 1]

What is so surprising? She and others here obviously have their reasons for not believing the head covering is obligatory... one of the reasons given is because it's not specified in the Quran.... I'm just curious where it's specified in the Quran that we have to cover it to pray. If it's not not maybe I'll stop wearing mine

[Together4ever 1]

It's not.

There, Charles. Now you can take your popcorn out again. LOL

Edited November 3, 2006 by just_waiting

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

It's not.

There, Charles. Now you can take your popcorn out again. LOL

[Henia 11]

I know this is totally and completely off topic, but here I go. Being a Christian, I know in the Bible it mentions the womans head being covered. Why is it that it's not practiced now? In Egypt the Christians many not have covered their heads out of the homes, but in church they do. Just curious.

We have to cover our hair in church here. Alot of chruches require it and even have a box of scarves before you walk in. We are also not allowed to wear lipstick when taking communion.

I think every church is different.

Yup I did this when I was Catholic...and my family still does this...

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

[Henia 11]

up Stina is right... I have seen the most nasty mouthed, just all around people women wearing niqb here...and my husband tells many of them wear that cos they are hiding form their past... Hmmm food for thought... I was shocked when he told me this!

Just wanted to add my opinion on the dressing issue.

I don't think what you wear, whether it's a hijab or dress or jeans, can really show who you are inside and what your relationship with God is.

I remember at college walking behind a group of girls in hijab, and they had some of the filthiest mouths I'd ever heard. I was very shocked and it only proved that it does not mean that the person is extremely devouted or worried about not being pleasing to God. It was sad for me to hear that from them, because you do tend to assume that they would be more devouted/careful by wearing that. But I know we are all different and our hearts cannot be displayed by our clothing alone.

Many on VJ know that I am a very devout born again Christian. I have many times debated about my faith, and it's clear where I stand on religious issues, usually, as a Christian. But I wear jeans to church these days. I even sometimes lead songs with the guitar during worship time. There is no where in the bible that commands that you have to wear fancy clothes to church. It is just cultural, not spiritual IMO. What matters is the heart, not the clothes. I like dresses too, but I don't have to wear them to church all the time. Our church doesn't care whether people are in jeans or dresses. I just don't think it matters if someone dresses up fancy yet they don't care about God during the rest of the week. I wear jeans to church and really love God and want to please Jesus as much as I can. If I wore dresses I'd be the same way. It doesn't change who I am inside whether it's a dress or jeans.

Just a different perspective.

I wasn't implying that by posting the article you were trying to convince anyone to wear hijab. I asked about the effort extended only because of the the fact that pro-hijab articles (some linked here) are extremely abundant and so easy to find. In contrast, . . . well, there is almost nothing in contrast to that. The reality that this is a complex issue with competing views among the ummah and the scholars is cloaked in a campaign to make hijab a defining characteristic of Muslimness - for women only.

I don't think any of the articles are trying to convince anyone it's mandatory to wear it.

I do believe the media has reported on it a lot lately to try to help non-muslims understand why some muslim women wear it.

I wouldn't say there's nothing in contrast because I've seen many articles stating that it's not obligatory and some muslim countries have even banned wearing it... this goes back to my question... why are they trying to disrobe muslim women?

I also don't agree that hijab is only for women... maybe some do but not me. Men should hijab in their own way. I can't stand to see shaved men wearing tight pants and wife beater tank tops preaching about hijab brother, if you don't worry about your modesty don't concern yourself with mine

There are hundreds of articles by Muslims about how hijab is mandatory; very few in comparison that are not staunchly in favor of it, and those are mostly blogs, open forums, and personal opinion pieces. There has been a huge change in how hijab is promoted by Muslims as an Islamic icon, not only in the narrowing of viewpoints, but in emphasis, since about the mid-1970s, growing louder and stronger since the 1990s. No wonder the mainstream media is captivated by it, we've made it a huge deal ourselves.

Institutionally, it is treated as tho it is obligatory by most scholars, even tho the evidence for that is purely subjective and primarily grounded in tradition, not law. Strangely enough, classical fiqh is much less concerned about women's daily dress than it is about men's dress!

I'm not sure what you mean by why are "they" trying to disrobe Muslim women? To whom are your referring? If you mean secularists, they are latecomers to the debate that has been going on among ourselves. By making it such a priority, we've brought the attention of the world onto ourselves. The whole world thinks it has a say now.

I spent about 15 minutes googling "hijab", non-hijabi", "male hijab", and "hijab not mandatory", looking for what is the norm on well established Muslim internet sites, and these were some of the links that came up:

http://www.soundvision.com/Info/news/hijab/hjb.nonhijabi.asp

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satelli...d=1119503544114

http://www.islamicvoice.com/october.98/zakir.htm

http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_se...?service_id=192

http://www.modernmuslima.com/hijabmen.htm

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satelli.../AskAboutIslamE

http://www.themuslimwoman.com/HerDress/WhatHijabIs.htm

http://islam.worldofislam.info/index.php?o...6&Itemid=44

http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Hijab

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations...hatishijab.html

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/womens/virtues_of_hijab.htm

http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/hijab-fear.html

http://www.messageonline.org/2004febmarch/cover1_opt.pdf

http://www.mwlusa.org/publications/positionpapers/hijab.html

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satelli.../AskAboutIslamE

http://muttaqun.com/malehijab.html

I chose those representing themselves as moderate informational sites. I did not include blogs, secular news articles, open forums, apologist or alarmist sites, although it is in those arenas that there is much more varied opinion and debate regarding the subject. That reflects the struggle going on in the real world. On the informational sites, there was very little doubt that hijab is highly preferred if not obligatory.

Thanks SZSZ I am checking these now!

[Veiled Princess 1]

What is it with you and cheeze doodles lately????

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

What is it with you and cheeze doodles lately????

Cuz dat's da way we roll.....

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Sorry, I've been away all day.

szsz, you didn't answer my question earlier... do you cover your hair when you pray or go to the masjid?

I cover for masjid coz they won't let women in if you don't. It may interest some to know that there are masjids that require men to cover their heads too. I cover during prayer because it is a ritual as well as an offering, and prayer clothing is ritualistic. Personally, I can't image praying in the same clothes I pump gas in; it takes something away from the ritual. But that's just me. I'm weird that way.

I'm glad there are folks enjoying the links. I had a lot more, but the list was getting really long!

Edited November 4, 2006 by szsz

[Veiled Princess 1]

For all who are interested.... "THE" Veiled Princess sporting "THE" aforementioned HIP Hot Pink Full Hijab

[sarah and hicham 3]

cool!