HIP Hijab

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Does anyone ever wonder why there are so many articles and so much effort expended to convince women that hijab is required when the Quran says nothing about it as a mode of dress?

I don't think this article was trying to convince anyone that it's required so much as just exploring a muslim woman who has made that decision.

I don't call myself trying to convince anyone else to do anything here... I wear it because I'm convinced that it is in the Quran... others interpret it differently and that's cool but it doesn't change my belief.

This question could work both ways.... Why is there so much effort to convince women to disrobe?

I wasn't implying that by posting the article you were trying to convince anyone to wear hijab. I asked about the effort extended only because of the the fact that pro-hijab articles (some linked here) are extremely abundant and so easy to find. In contrast, . . . well, there is almost nothing in contrast to that. The reality that this is a complex issue with competing views among the ummah and the scholars is cloaked in a campaign to make hijab a defining characteristic of Muslimness - for women only.

I know this is totally and completely off topic, but here I go. Being a Christian, I know in the Bible it mentions the womans head being covered. Why is it that it's not practiced now? In Egypt the Christians many not have covered their heads out of the homes, but in church they do. Just curious.

Ironically, the same debate goes on among Christians because, unlike the Quran, the Bible specifically requires headcovering for women. In 1 Corinthians 11:2-6 , Paul commands women to cover their heads in deference to God and to men, who are deemed to be the image and glory of God. Some believe that the current emphasis on headcovering for Muslim women is rooted in these Biblical verses, not in the Quran. I have, in fact, seen many Muslims cite it as justification for headcovering since it is less ambiguous than the Quranic ayat.

Edited November 2, 2006 by szsz

[jordanianprincess 0]

I know this is totally and completely off topic, but here I go. Being a Christian, I know in the Bible it mentions the womans head being covered. Why is it that it's not practiced now? In Egypt the Christians many not have covered their heads out of the homes, but in church they do. Just curious.

We have to cover our hair in church here. Alot of chruches require it and even have a box of scarves before you walk in. We are also not allowed to wear lipstick when taking communion.

I think every church is different.

Really? Where are you at? I've thought it would be kinda cool if the churches here went back to this.

I live in Northern California and I go to an Orthodox church.

[crazyinEgypt 0]

Does anyone ever wonder why there are so many articles and so much effort expended to convince women that hijab is required when the Quran says nothing about it as a mode of dress?

I don't think this article was trying to convince anyone that it's required so much as just exploring a muslim woman who has made that decision.

I don't call myself trying to convince anyone else to do anything here... I wear it because I'm convinced that it is in the Quran... others interpret it differently and that's cool but it doesn't change my belief.

This question could work both ways.... Why is there so much effort to convince women to disrobe?

I wasn't implying that by posting the article you were trying to convince anyone to wear hijab. I asked about the effort extended only because of the the fact that pro-hijab articles (some linked here) are extremely abundant and so easy to find. In contrast, . . . well, there is almost nothing in contrast to that. The reality that this is a complex issue with competing views among the ummah and the scholars is cloaked in a campaign to make hijab a defining characteristic of Muslimness - for women only.

I know this is totally and completely off topic, but here I go. Being a Christian, I know in the Bible it mentions the womans head being covered. Why is it that it's not practiced now? In Egypt the Christians many not have covered their heads out of the homes, but in church they do. Just curious.

Ironically, the same debate goes on among Christians because, unlike the Quran, the Bible specifically requires headcovering for women. In 1 Corinthians 11:2-6 , Paul commands women to cover their heads in deference to God and to men, who are deemed to be the image and glory of God. Some believe that the current emphasis on headcovering for Muslim women is rooted in these Biblical verses, not in the Quran. I have, in fact, seen many Muslims cite it as justification for headcovering since it is less ambiguous than the Quranic ayat.

Then why did the Christian churches stray away from covering the head?

[jordanianprincess 0]

Does anyone ever wonder why there are so many articles and so much effort expended to convince women that hijab is required when the Quran says nothing about it as a mode of dress?

I don't think this article was trying to convince anyone that it's required so much as just exploring a muslim woman who has made that decision.

I don't call myself trying to convince anyone else to do anything here... I wear it because I'm convinced that it is in the Quran... others interpret it differently and that's cool but it doesn't change my belief.

This question could work both ways.... Why is there so much effort to convince women to disrobe?

I wasn't implying that by posting the article you were trying to convince anyone to wear hijab. I asked about the effort extended only because of the the fact that pro-hijab articles (some linked here) are extremely abundant and so easy to find. In contrast, . . . well, there is almost nothing in contrast to that. The reality that this is a complex issue with competing views among the ummah and the scholars is cloaked in a campaign to make hijab a defining characteristic of Muslimness - for women only.

I know this is totally and completely off topic, but here I go. Being a Christian, I know in the Bible it mentions the womans head being covered. Why is it that it's not practiced now? In Egypt the Christians many not have covered their heads out of the homes, but in church they do. Just curious.

Ironically, the same debate goes on among Christians because, unlike the Quran, the Bible specifically requires headcovering for women. In 1 Corinthians 11:2-6 , Paul commands women to cover their heads in deference to God and to men, who are deemed to be the image and glory of God. Some believe that the current emphasis on headcovering for Muslim women is rooted in these Biblical verses, not in the Quran. I have, in fact, seen many Muslims cite it as justification for headcovering since it is less ambiguous than the Quranic ayat.

Then why did the Christian churches stray away from covering the head?

Because the religion has evolved with time.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Headcovering was embraced by orthodox demoninations (Roman and Byzantine) early in their formation. Protestant demoninations, on the other hand, tend to regard Paul's view as condtional rather than obligatory.

[Aymerlu 3]

I know this is totally and completely off topic, but here I go. Being a Christian, I know in the Bible it mentions the womans head being covered. Why is it that it's not practiced now? In Egypt the Christians many not have covered their heads out of the homes, but in church they do. Just curious.

Interesting you mentioned this.....I was thinking the same thing. Seems the church has been getting more lax over the years. Growing up I remember how I ALWAYS had to wear a dress or skirt. Now I rarely see girls wearing dresses/skirts to church. It's always jeans.

[Bosco 1]

and mark your calendars

November 13th is Wear your Hijab to Work Day

[jordanianprincess 0]

I know this is totally and completely off topic, but here I go. Being a Christian, I know in the Bible it mentions the womans head being covered. Why is it that it's not practiced now? In Egypt the Christians many not have covered their heads out of the homes, but in church they do. Just curious.

Interesting you mentioned this.....I was thinking the same thing. Seems the church has been getting more lax over the years. Growing up I remember how I ALWAYS had to wear a dress or skirt. Now I rarely see girls wearing dresses/skirts to church. It's always jeans.

You made me think of something.....an email I got, I couldnt cut and paste so I had to put the link.

Sacred Clothing for Church

Food for thought....

and mark your calendars

November 13th is Wear your Hijab to Work Day

The city of Fremont is about 20 minutes from my house.

[doodlebug 3]

Does anyone ever wonder why there are so many articles and so much effort expended to convince women that hijab is required when the Quran says nothing about it as a mode of dress?

I don't think this article was trying to convince anyone that it's required so much as just exploring a muslim woman who has made that decision.

I don't call myself trying to convince anyone else to do anything here... I wear it because I'm convinced that it is in the Quran... others interpret it differently and that's cool but it doesn't change my belief.

This question could work both ways.... Why is there so much effort to convince women to disrobe?

I wasn't implying that by posting the article you were trying to convince anyone to wear hijab. I asked about the effort extended only because of the the fact that pro-hijab articles (some linked here) are extremely abundant and so easy to find. In contrast, . . . well, there is almost nothing in contrast to that. The reality that this is a complex issue with competing views among the ummah and the scholars is cloaked in a campaign to make hijab a defining characteristic of Muslimness - for women only.

I know this is totally and completely off topic, but here I go. Being a Christian, I know in the Bible it mentions the womans head being covered. Why is it that it's not practiced now? In Egypt the Christians many not have covered their heads out of the homes, but in church they do. Just curious.

Ironically, the same debate goes on among Christians because, unlike the Quran, the Bible specifically requires headcovering for women. In 1 Corinthians 11:2-6 , Paul commands women to cover their heads in deference to God and to men, who are deemed to be the image and glory of God. Some believe that the current emphasis on headcovering for Muslim women is rooted in these Biblical verses, not in the Quran. I have, in fact, seen many Muslims cite it as justification for headcovering since it is less ambiguous than the Quranic ayat.

Then why did the Christian churches stray away from covering the head?

I can't say for other churches but I know for the Roman Catholic church it was due to Vatican II. No one specifically said take off the veils but because it wasn't put in there at all everyone assumed they should take them off. Kind of happened around the same time that communion was taken by hand instead of directly on the tongue.

In the National Geographic movie Inside Mecca, the American convert Fidelma O'Leary wore some rather bright clothing on her hajj. If you image google her name, you will see some pics, I think.

I googled it but I just found a pic of her wearing a headcovering... no pink face veil I'd love to see that

Here it is:

http://www.islamicvideos.net/component/opt...,236/Itemid,30/

Edited November 2, 2006 by doodlebug

[chri'stina 190]

Just wanted to add my opinion on the dressing issue.

I don't think what you wear, whether it's a hijab or dress or jeans, can really show who you are inside and what your relationship with God is.

I remember at college walking behind a group of girls in hijab, and they had some of the filthiest mouths I'd ever heard. I was very shocked and it only proved that it does not mean that the person is extremely devouted or worried about not being pleasing to God. It was sad for me to hear that from them, because you do tend to assume that they would be more devouted/careful by wearing that. But I know we are all different and our hearts cannot be displayed by our clothing alone.

Many on VJ know that I am a very devout born again Christian. I have many times debated about my faith, and it's clear where I stand on religious issues, usually, as a Christian. But I wear jeans to church these days. I even sometimes lead songs with the guitar during worship time. There is no where in the bible that commands that you have to wear fancy clothes to church. It is just cultural, not spiritual IMO. What matters is the heart, not the clothes. I like dresses too, but I don't have to wear them to church all the time. Our church doesn't care whether people are in jeans or dresses. I just don't think it matters if someone dresses up fancy yet they don't care about God during the rest of the week. I wear jeans to church and really love God and want to please Jesus as much as I can. If I wore dresses I'd be the same way. It doesn't change who I am inside whether it's a dress or jeans.

Just a different perspective.

[doodlebug 3]

Here it is:

http://www.islamicvideos.net/component/opt...,236/Itemid,30/

Whoops. First link didn't work. This one does. Just move down and then start the movie.

[Veiled Princess 1]

Then why did the Christian churches stray away from covering the head?

They interpret the covering of the woman's head to be her hair and so they don't feel they need to cover it further.

and mark your calendars

November 13th is Wear your Hijab to Work Day

I wear mine to work every day so I'll be covered on the 13th.....

very sad about that woman why are ppl so cruel?

[Veiled Princess 1]

I wasn't implying that by posting the article you were trying to convince anyone to wear hijab. I asked about the effort extended only because of the the fact that pro-hijab articles (some linked here) are extremely abundant and so easy to find. In contrast, . . . well, there is almost nothing in contrast to that. The reality that this is a complex issue with competing views among the ummah and the scholars is cloaked in a campaign to make hijab a defining characteristic of Muslimness - for women only.

I don't think any of the articles are trying to convince anyone it's mandatory to wear it.

I do believe the media has reported on it a lot lately to try to help non-muslims understand why some muslim women wear it.

I wouldn't say there's nothing in contrast because I've seen many articles stating that it's not obligatory and some muslim countries have even banned wearing it... this goes back to my question... why are they trying to disrobe muslim women?

I also don't agree that hijab is only for women... maybe some do but not me. Men should hijab in their own way. I can't stand to see shaved men wearing tight pants and wife beater tank tops preaching about hijab brother, if you don't worry about your modesty don't concern yourself with mine

[chri'stina 190]

Just wanted to add something to what I posted so that it's not taken the wrong way.

My overall point was, let your actions speak for your beliefs along with what you wear...whether you wear a nice dress, comfy jeans, a hijab, or etc. We can't really know a person's heart by what they wear alone.

[Veiled Princess 1]

I'm curious about one thing though... for those of you who don't believe we are supposed to wear hijab, do you wear it when you pray?