The long knives are out! Petraeus Resigns!

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Poor lady.

Oh come on, she brought it on herself by being so old and ugly. Women really should just kill themselves once they've passed 30, maybe 35.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

She's ugly? Looks pretty average to me. I know nothing.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Oh come on, she brought it on herself by being so old and ugly. Women really should just kill themselves once they've passed 30, maybe 35.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

She's ugly? Looks pretty average to me. I know nothing.

I will leave that softball alone. You will thank me later.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I will leave that softball alone. You will thank me later.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I will leave that softball alone. You will thank me later.

Ok.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Oh come on, she brought it on herself by being so old and ugly. Women really should just kill themselves once they've passed 30, maybe 35.

Um, Alla could be the mother of a 30 tear old. Just sayin'

She's ugly? Looks pretty average to me. I know nothing.

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[Ban Hammer 13,658]

One result is that Petraeus could possibly face military prosecution for adultery if officials turn up any evidence to counter his apparent claims that the affair began after he left the military.

But Boylan says the affair between Petraeus and his biographer, Paula Broadwell, both of whom are married, began several months after his retirement from the Army in August 2011 and ended four months ago.

paula, on the other hand, is still subject to ucmj as she's in the reserves. let's see how quickly that gets ignored.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So the Petraeus scandal widens and gets even more interesting. You have to go through this line by line to keep it all straight.

The whole story started with Jill Kelley, the woman who received the so-called threatening emails from Paula Broadwell. Kelley is described as a "socialite," a "party planner," and an "unpaid social liaison to Tampa's MacDill Air Force Base."

Kelley (nee Khawam) is of Lebanese heritage, daughter of Lebanese Christian immigrants to the U.S. Kelley and her husband Scott, a Tampa surgeon, apparently hosted frequent parties for CENTCOM top brass at their $1.2 million dollar mansion, and served as "go-betweens for Central Command officers with Lebanese and other Middle Eastern government officials."

Interestingly enough, Kelley and her husband are deeply in debt, facing foreclosure on several multi-million dollar real estate investments, as well as a lawsuit for unpaid credit card debt. They also allegedly ran a fake cancer charity that spent most of its collected donations on "parties, entertainment, travel and attorney fees" before going out of business.

Kelley has a twin sister named Natalie Khawam, who is an attorney specializing in whistle-blower lawsuits. Natalie is also in deep financial straits - she filed for bankruptcy this year citing $3.6 million in debt, including an $800,000 "personal loan" from her sister and brother-in-law. She is involved in several nasty court battles, including a very bitter child custody fight. She was called "psychologically unstable" by the judge in that case, and has been accused of lying to state and federal courts.

Both Generals Petraeus and Allen submitted letters to the judge in Natalie's child custody case, testifying to her abilities and qualifications as a mother.

Both Jill and Natalie took part in shopping trips with Petraeus' wife Holly.

When Kelley began receiving the threatening emails from an anonymous account, she alerted a friend who worked for the FBI, and the investigation got underway.

During the investigation, as well as the emails between Petraeus and Broadwell, the FBI turned up "inappropriate" emails between Jill Kelley and Marine Gen. John Allen, who happens to be the top commander in Afghanistan and a nominee to become the new NATO supreme allied commander for Europe.

The emails from Broadwell to Kelley were apparently not "stay away from my man" messages, but rather harrassing Kelley for her behavior - according to one source, they said stuff like "Who do you think you are? You parade around the base. You need to take it down a notch."

And now the latest - the friend who worked for the FBI apparently sent "shirtless" photos to Kelley before the investigation started.

Could use a flow chart for all this...

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

So the Petraeus scandal widens and gets even more interesting. You have to go through this line by line to keep it all straight.

The whole story started with Jill Kelley, the woman who received the so-called threatening emails from Paula Broadwell. Kelley is described as a "socialite," a "party planner," and an "unpaid social liaison to Tampa's MacDill Air Force Base."

Kelley (nee Khawam) is of Lebanese heritage, daughter of Lebanese Christian immigrants to the U.S. Kelley and her husband Scott, a Tampa surgeon, apparently hosted frequent parties for CENTCOM top brass at their $1.2 million dollar mansion, and served as "go-betweens for Central Command officers with Lebanese and other Middle Eastern government officials."

Interestingly enough, Kelley and her husband are deeply in debt, facing foreclosure on several multi-million dollar real estate investments, as well as a lawsuit for unpaid credit card debt. They also allegedly ran a fake cancer charity that spent most of its collected donations on "parties, entertainment, travel and attorney fees" before going out of business.

Kelley has a twin sister named Natalie Khawam, who is an attorney specializing in whistle-blower lawsuits. Natalie is also in deep financial straits - she filed for bankruptcy this year citing $3.6 million in debt, including an $800,000 "personal loan" from her sister and brother-in-law. She is involved in several nasty court battles, including a very bitter child custody fight. She was called "psychologically unstable" by the judge in that case, and has been accused of lying to state and federal courts.

Both Generals Petraeus and Allen submitted letters to the judge in Natalie's child custody case, testifying to her abilities and qualifications as a mother.

Both Jill and Natalie took part in shopping trips with Petraeus' wife Holly.

When Kelley began receiving the threatening emails from an anonymous account, she alerted a friend who worked for the FBI, and the investigation got underway.

During the investigation, as well as the emails between Petraeus and Broadwell, the FBI turned up "inappropriate" emails between Jill Kelley and Marine Gen. John Allen, who happens to be the top commander in Afghanistan and a nominee to become the new NATO supreme allied commander for Europe.

The emails from Broadwell to Kelley were apparently not "stay away from my man" messages, but rather harrassing Kelley for her behavior - according to one source, they said stuff like "Who do you think you are? You parade around the base. You need to take it down a notch."

And now the latest - the friend who worked for the FBI apparently sent "shirtless" photos to Kelley before the investigation started.

Could use a flow chart for all this...

The whole story started with fabricated taboos on SEX. Had Gen. Patreaus been able to say "hey this biograpgher chick is HOT and I am thinking of banging her" then telling his wife about it afterward, or even before, there would be none of this happening.

Instead we fabricate taboos against something everyone does and then are surprised when it gets used as leverage against us.

Now we are going to have several lives, families and careers ruined for basically nothing. Brilliant.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

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NM? You could have posted nothing and not replied at all but you felt it necessary to post "NM"? Couldn't help it, I guess. Thanks.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

NM? You could have posted nothing and not replied at all but you felt it necessary to post "NM"? Couldn't help it, I guess. Thanks.

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[Danno 1,228]

The whole story started with fabricated taboos on SEX. Had Gen. Patreaus been able to say "hey this biograpgher chick is HOT and I am thinking of banging her" then telling his wife about it afterward, or even before, there would be none of this happening.

Instead we fabricate taboos against something everyone does and then are surprised when it gets used as leverage against us.

Now we are going to have several lives, families and careers ruined for basically nothing. Brilliant.

Wait a minute gary, I thought you were all for "pro-choice"?

Allowing people the freedom to do what they want with their lives.... which I presume that would include making "exclusive agreements" no?

I am going to assume the general and his wife both willingly to vows to be faithful to each other.

So what is your problem with that?

I'm not sure why you are focused on the sex angle so much when the more important issue is Did he become a security risk when he tried to hide the braking of his former agreement with his wife?

Everything I wrote yesterday about the possible risks have rapidly materialized.... Shazam! it was like I was looking in a crystal ball or something.

You meanwhile are wanting to roll the clock back 32 years and change the dynamic of his marriage.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Wait a minute gary, I thought you were all for "pro-choice"?

Allowing people the freedom to do what they want with their lives.... which I presume that would include making "exclusive agreements" no?

I am going to assume the general and his wife both willingly to vows to be faithful to each other.

So what is your problem with that?

I'm not sure why you are focused on the sex angle so much when the more important issue is Did he become a security risk when he tried to hide the braking of his former agreement with his wife?

Everything I wrote yesterday about the possible risks have rapidly materialized.... Shazam! it was like I was looking in a crystal ball or something.

You meanwhile are wanting to roll the clock back 32 years and change the dynamic of his marriage.

Pointing out the ridiculousness of something does not mean I am not pro-choice. Now, Danno, if I suggest a LAW that says you MUST accept your spouse having sex with other people then THAT would be "not pro-choice" Being pro-choice does not mean I am stupid.

Regardless, the vows they took 32 years ago were meaningless. You understand that, right? Except ONE of the people thought they had meaning and now that will destroy a marriage. Face it, Danno, hetrosexual monogamy has been a dismal failure when it comes to marriage, more so than most people admit. We seem to have, at best "serial monogamy", and usually just plain ol' polyamorous behavior.

IF, one time, everyone that ever had extramarital sex would raise their hand this nonsense would stop. National security would be improved, divorce would drop by 50% at least.

If you do not have a problem with what it does to families, then I guess I don't either.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I love how being "pro choice" is used against me when the choice is not the same as what the other person wants. No matter the issue.

Simple "pro choice" means the government does not dictate to you what you must do. It also means I feel that way even when, especially when, I do not agree with that choice. RIGHTS protect unpopular behavior. We do not need a "defense of marriage act" we need a "defense of Gay marriage act" GAYS are not trying to BAN heterosexual marriage.

I am on record saying many times that I do not even want the government involved in marriage at all. I am not against two people lying to each other and saying they will be sexually exclusive (not the same as "faithful") for the rest of their lives. But then they spend the rest of their lives covering that lie and opening themselves for blackmail, coersion, and the destruction of people they love most. Brilliant idea

Edited November 14, 2012 by Gary and Alla