The long knives are out! Petraeus Resigns!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

translation ... maybe

someone when fishin' ... and got caught?

Maybe. And now, because they were in a position to "get caught" (and anyone that does this without prior agreement IS in that position)a career is lost, possibly a family. Over sex. Now if Patreus had this worked out ahead of time and the other woman KNEW this, she would have either said "no" or there would not have been any funny emails to raise attention, Patreus would have no fear and his family and wife would be protected from stuff like this.

Now Patreus is not a bad looking guy and he is a powerful man and that is a HUGE aphrodisiac for women. A little blue pill and he can keep that hottie smilin' all night. If he doesn't bang this girl he bangs another and another and another. Does anyone think this is the first? The last? Who was surprised that Secret Service Agents were having sex in Colombia? Raise your hand.

If anything he is a fool for not protecting his family from his actions

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

What a bunch of fishermen's wives we have here on VJ!! When are you guys going to lose the housecoats and bunny slippers, and go to work?

[natty bumppo 297]

Or it could say; "my husband is a doctor, my bf is a general and former director of the CIA and if you want this it don't come cheap."

ahh ...negotiations

true to form ... it's all about price ..

Edited November 12, 2012 by natty bumppo

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

What a bunch of fishermen's wives we have here on VJ!! When are you guys going to lose the housecoats and bunny slippers, and go to work?

As much as you post on here I wouldn't say were the only stay at home husbands around these parts.

Now excuse me while I get her breakfast ready.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

And today, especially, it is so much easier to have sexual realtions with people all over the country or even the world...easy travel,internet, facebook and such, AND much easier to get caught. The old maxim was "Never say you are going to be somewhere you can be found NOT to be" Fine. Where is that?

With smart phones, cell phones, everyone is connected 24/7. In the 70s and 80s when your spouse left the house they were gone until thy came back. Now they are texting you before they get out of the driveway. If they do not answer a text or phone call immediately...something is up! I even read a post here recently where a woman was considering breaking off her engagement because her foreign fiancee had not returned her text message for TWO HOURS!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!

All I can say is, IF you are going to do these things you had better make an agreement and be able to text your spouse and say "Hey sweetheart, I hooked up with a guy/girl and we are going to his/her place, I'll be home by 2am. Next time I will get one for you. Kiss you"

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

What a bunch of fishermen's wives we have here on VJ!! When are you guys going to lose the housecoats and bunny slippers, and go to work?

When it is less profitable than staying home and getting FREE stuff from foolish taxpayers. Go back to work and earn your tax withholding.

You may also note it is a HOLIDAY!

Edited November 12, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

As much as you post on here I wouldn't say were the only stay at home husbands around these parts.

Now excuse me while I get her breakfast ready.

When it is less profitable than staying home and getting FREE stuff from foolish taxpayers. Go back to work and earn your tax withholding.

You may also note it is a HOLIDAY!

That doesn't explain gossiping about other men's relationships.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Maybe, everyone has a kink. But typically hyper sexual people WANT you to know they are married (if they are married) and that this is just for fun and NSA (no strings attached) if you are not up (pardon the pun) for that, the deal is off. Now, she is a HOT woman and a lot of men are going to want her sexually. Big surprise. You think it surprises her husband? Seriously, anyone here married to a HOT wife knows what I am saying. So a man hits on her (or a woman) and she is intrigued, plays the game a little, maybe makes him "chase her" a bit and then says "OK here is the deal, we can do this because my husband and I have an agreement...but it is sex, maybe once, maybe more, I will let you know" The man (or woman) either says "let's go to my place" or they say "See 'ya later"

However in this case I think at least one of them thought it was more than that. It will be interesting to see.

Exactly. However people usually get attached. I was in the mountains one time with friends right after filling for divorce. I.E. it had been several weeks. This was this girl about 6 years older than me, not real attractive and space was limited and she asked could she sleep in my room. I fully explained there would be no sex. Anyway long story short things happened. I explained to her very clearly before hand that there was not a chance we would ever date, she was not my type. I was upfront and honest.. i was very clear about it. She was in our social group so I saw her a good bit and on rare occasion, would pay a late visit. The whole time I was upfront and clear.

Well you guessed it. One night later on I was talking to my GF on the phone and she was present in a group. She got pissed, blessed me out and stormed out of the Restaurant. Of course people said I used her.. I don't see how if you make it clear up front anything could me mis interpreted. I just don't think you can have sex with the average woman repeatedly and her not get some attachment.

Of course as my perverted buddy use to say, it's ok to lie if they ask you if you love them when your having sex--PG Version

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That doesn't explain gossiping about other men's relationships.

My other tab is opened up on a college football board. I try to balance it out.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

When it is less profitable than staying home and getting FREE stuff from foolish taxpayers. Go back to work and earn your tax withholding.

You may also note it is a HOLIDAY!

Yes it is a holiday. I notice the Base across the Street from here is largely vacant today. Must be nice working for the Uncle

[Penny Lane 8,159]

That doesn't explain gossiping about other men's relationships.

It gives them satisfaction. They have it so much better than everyone else, you know? Don't ruin it for them.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

It gives them satisfaction. They have it so much better than everyone else, you know? Don't ruin it for them.

It's normal. My best buddies wife said if we could not talk about sex,football or work we would sit there all day and just look at each other.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

What a bunch of fishermen's wives we have here on VJ!! When are you guys going to lose the housecoats and bunny slippers, and go to work?

Kind of like walking into the "happy ending" massage parlor, catching your neighbor walking out and saying "####### are YOU doing here?"

[SMR 368]

The reality in todays world is that the vast amjority of married people have extramarital sex at some point or another in their married lives. Ignoring that will not decrease the level of divorce in this country, regardless of which "commandment" covers it. Christians know they break these commandments all the time and seek forgiveness and their spouses know they break the commandments all the time and forgive them...except for sex. And the commandment referred to says nothing about sex, it says you shall not "covet" which means "want". Does that mean sexually? Or does it mean you shall not want another man's wife instead of your wife? Their is plenty of evidence of polygamy in the bible, so I am going to assume it does not mean strictly "you shall not have sex with anyone except one wife for your entire life"

Of course you have the "forsaking all others" sticking point, which in itself has many definitions but is usually taken by at least one partner to mean "thou shalt not have sex with anyone else your entire life". In most places now you can wrte your own vows and take care of that detail.

For many people frequent sex and sex with multiple partners is part of their sexuality, they have been defined as "hyper-sexuals". Not "sex addicts" for whom sex disrupts their normal life, just people who use sex, a lot, as a form of recreation. Just as a sexual orientation, it is part of them and who they are. For many of them there is no sexual orientation, just sex. They desire the act and care little what a person carries between their legs. Why should they not have a family and husband and children? What disqualifies them from loving and caring for others by liking sex?

If they are, and CAN BE, honest with their spouse, how is that bad? If they are all grown ups and agree to this, what is the problem?

Actually, the 7th (or 6th if you are Catholic) commandment is (roughly translated): "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Coveting (which is more than wanting, in my opinion) is #10 (or, it seems, 9 and 10 in some versions). You can define adultery how you like, but I don't think you will find many people who care what the Bible says and will argue that sex with someone else isn't adultery. Some would argue that much less could also be considered adultery. Polygamy is really just a red herring as it's quite simple to understand that you can have sex with the people to whom you are married. The whole story of David demonstrates this.

You can go into agreements and open relationships, but I don't think you see that playing out much. Even a guy who is okay with his wife screwing around (I can't say I have met any...) is probably going to have a problem with that becoming public. He doesn't want to be branded a cuckold. Put yourself in the shoes of Mr. Broadwell. Even if you said she could do what she wants, and even if you knew about the whole thing, you would still feel like you are being emasculated on national TV when it comes out. The gender reversed version might be a little different since women don't get denigrated and disrespected to the same degree for being a cuckoldress. However, women whom are cheated on tend to be portrayed as bitter, nagging, and/or suffocating.

Society expects that marriage means sexual fidelity. I expect you will find that most people believe that it should. Whatever adults agree in private may be their business, but you can't reasonably expect society to see it as normal if or when it becomes public. Further, in this particular incidence, I would be surprised to find that either of the couples in question had agreed to open relationships and would be shocked if both had such arrangements.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It's normal. My best buddies wife said if we could not talk about sex,football or work we would sit there all day and just look at each other.

We are kind of the same but never discuss football. Or work.