The long knives are out! Petraeus Resigns!

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I don't think you know Gary! Of course it is difficult if you always assume you choose between two stereotypical opposites. Life, and people, come in all sorts of interesting variations.

Maybe I don't. It appeared from his many comments about commitment and sex being two different things and his wife and him understanding I thought etc etc, i assumed he had an open marriage and was very open about that. Maybe I misunderstood. Whatever the case I fine with that if it is understood ahead of time.. My best friend in the whole wide world , has engaged in that from time to time, and I love him and his wife dearly. I was not judging.

All I was saying is that does not work for most, and if you do not have that understanding ahead of time and you think your in a monogamous relationship and your not, then it's a Huge problem.

Gary is probably one of the posters on here that I agree with the most. I was not flaming him.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I hear and I take it your a swinger or in the lifestyle or whatever you call it. That's great if it works for you and I have no problem with it, god knows I have seen my wilder days.

However unless you have all that worked out in advance, then it is betrayal because your doing something that you promised in a vow to your closest friend not to do. Like I said if you don't have that promise then I don't see the big deal. Just because you and your wife agree it's ok to sleep with other people does not mean that works for most.

You are making assumptions on persoanl behavior based on my beliefs. Not necessarily wise. But many people here have done that. Many people have said I have given great detail of my sex life. I have never given any details.

I strongly support the legalization of marijuana but have NEVER used it, neither has Alla. I even got some from a friend to show her what it looked like and then she threw it down the toilet.

I have never been intoxicated in my life. Alla has been. If you took all the alcohol I ever drank I bet it would not make me drunk. I am pro-choice AND pro life. I carry a gun and would kill someone that threatened my family but I have never even been in a fist fight, even as a young boy! I support Gay rights and I am as straight as an arrow.

As reqards sex, both my wife and I believe it is normal, natural, for pleasure (if not making babies) and that a man or wife should get what they need from their spouse and the spouse shpul;d gladly provide it. We value honesty over sex. Take from that what you will.

I had sex with a lot of women, I lived in Ukraine...it was easy to have sex wuith 2-3 new women every week. I was nt committed to any of them, they were not committed to me. I do not mistake sex for committment, or love. I AM committed to Alla and I was committed to her from the moment I saw her the first time.

We evaluated our personal beliefs and behaviors and made a commitment to each other in writing, a "pre-nup" if you must give it a name (it does not mention financial issues) and decided it is what WE can commit to and be comfortable with.

I will say this, surveys have shown that by age 45, some 90% of men and more than 75% of women have engaged in extramarital sex. To one degree or another. I would be devasted to find out that Alla had been having sex with someone when she told me she was going to work or going shopping or going to see her girlfriend. Not so much because of the sex, but because of the broken trust which we agreed NOT to do and not to create an environment where we felt we could not be honest. The option of an open marriage prevents that, and that was my point.

So I would say not to attach to much personal behavior to what I say. I am very open minded about what people do in their personal lives. It does not mean I do not myself.

Then again...maybe I do.

[Danno 1,228]

You are making assumptions on persoanl behavior based on my beliefs. Not necessarily wise. But many people here have done that. Many people have said I have given great detail of my sex life. I have never given any details.

I strongly support the legalization of marijuana but have NEVER used it, neither has Alla. I even got some from a friend to show her what it looked like and then she threw it down the toilet.

I have never been intoxicated in my life. Alla has been. If you took all the alcohol I ever drank I bet it would not make me drunk. I am pro-choice AND pro life. I carry a gun and would kill someone that threatened my family but I have never even been in a fist fight, even as a young boy! I support Gay rights and I am as straight as an arrow.

As reqards sex, both my wife and I believe it is normal, natural, for pleasure (if not making babies) and that a man or wife should get what they need from their spouse and the spouse shpul;d gladly provide it. We value honesty over sex. Take from that what you will.

I had sex with a lot of women, I lived in Ukraine...it was easy to have sex wuith 2-3 new women every week. I was nt committed to any of them, they were not committed to me. I do not mistake sex for committment, or love. I AM committed to Alla and I was committed to her from the moment I saw her the first time.

We evaluated our personal beliefs and behaviors and made a commitment to each other in writing, a "pre-nup" if you must give it a name (it does not mention financial issues) and decided it is what WE can commit to and be comfortable with.

I will say this, surveys have shown that by age 45, some 90% of men and more than 75% of women have engaged in extramarital sex. To one degree or another. I would be devasted to find out that Alla had been having sex with someone when she told me she was going to work or going shopping or going to see her girlfriend. Not so much because of the sex, but because of the broken trust which we agreed NOT to do and not to create an environment where we felt we could not be honest. The option of an open marriage prevents that, and that was my point.

So I would say not to attach to much personal behavior to what I say. I am very open minded about what people do in their personal lives. It does not mean I do not myself.

Then again...maybe I do.

Wait a minute, hold the phones Chuck... are you for real, you have never been in a fist-fight... ever?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Wait a minute, hold the phones Chuck... are you for real, you have never been in a fist-fight... ever?

Why do you think he is always armed with a boutique pistol and married a woman that doubles as his bodyguard?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Wait a minute, hold the phones Chuck... are you for real, you have never been in a fist-fight... ever?

For real. At least not that I recall. If I did so when I was 3 or something I don't remember. And I had a family of 4 brothers and 3 sisters!

I thought you would question never using drugs or getting drunk

I am absolutely non violent, very mild mannered and laid back, I rarely get excited over very much at all.

Guns, girls and fishing are my "vices". I admit to going a bit wild when living in Ukraine. The women there are just outta control! It took me about 6 hours to find that out, 2 local women, um, "explained" it to me. I suspected it shortly after walking off the airplane. Something just kinda "told me"

Edited November 12, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Why do you think he is always armed with a boutique pistol and married a woman that doubles as his bodyguard?

I guess you could call a Kimber a "boutique" pistol. Especially the Ultra CDP. OK by me. That's my usual carry gun. Then there is the "dress revolver" with ivory grips and tasefully engraved...an M19 S&W 2.5" barrel. Yeah, I guess that one is also. OK

And yeah, Alla shoots better than me with a rifle at long range. I can shade her in skeet shooting easily. For indoor pistol shooting she does very well with her match .22 pistol, she doesn' mess with the bg stuff, too noisy. Yeah she could be a body guard but she always has me carry the gun.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Wait a minute, hold the phones Chuck... are you for real, you have never been in a fist-fight... ever?

Here is the funny part of that post but you missed it. We were sitting out at the pool this summer (yes, naked, we swim naked in our own pool...horror!) And I smelled pot coming through the tall arbor vitae bushes that divide our yard from the neighbors. I said "Oh the neighbors are smoking weed" Alla said she never smelled it before "THAT's what it smells like?" Yeah. "I never saw it, can you get some?" I said "sure" so I asked a friend I know that smokes pot and he gave me some. I said I would bring it back, he laughed and said "If you smoke it, you owe me $10" OK, whatever

So I bring it home and Alla just studies it for the longest time Like she is dissecting it or something. Then wants to know if the police are going to come and break in the house and take us to jail. She said she did not want to try it, just wanted to see it, feel it, smell it. I left the room and came back later and said "Where is the pot?" I flushed it. "Voooooowhat?" I flushed it, in the toilet.

So I had to give my friend $10 and I STILL never tried smoking pot.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Maybe I don't. It appeared from his many comments about commitment and sex being two different things and his wife and him understanding I thought etc etc, i assumed he had an open marriage and was very open about that. Maybe I misunderstood. Whatever the case I fine with that if it is understood ahead of time.. My best friend in the whole wide world , has engaged in that from time to time, and I love him and his wife dearly. I was not judging.

All I was saying is that does not work for most, and if you do not have that understanding ahead of time and you think your in a monogamous relationship and your not, then it's a Huge problem.

Gary is probably one of the posters on here that I agree with the most. I was not flaming him.

Now as for Patreus, I think he is caught in the same mess that Clinton was, only I think 'ol Bill really had things laid out with Hillary ahead of time. What you saw was an act. She knew he was banging around and I am gonna bet she was also. They put on the show for the blue-nosed sex fearing religious nut jobs. I think people just need to be honest up front and lay out the possibilities and admit they exist and discuss the what ifs. I think in most marriages there are two people and vows and one or the other expects everyone to live up to that and maybe one of them can't and maybe one of them knows this up front. So why not say it and get it out there. If someone were very religious would you HIDE that and then spring it on them afterwards? After getting married, I mean.

I don't know much about Danno's wife. My guess is he got one of those religious women from Russia, there are some. I had a very good friend when I lived in Ukraine, a very beautiful woman with whom I had many hours of enjoyment but we never had sex and it was not about sex because she was very religious. But we went to museums and theatre and concerts and it was great fun. Danno would marry her and she would devote herself to him I am sure. Wonderful woman but not wife material for me.

I just think that few people can really avoid the temptation of sex with another person for their whole entire life, that's a long time. And a person that is very sexual and enjoys sex is going to want to have sex. For people like that, for some, there is no such thing as straight, gay, whatever, it is just sex. Sex with men, sex with women. Its all sex. And someone like that may also REALLY crave and desire a husband and family and supporting home and children and all that. Why should they not have it? They are not mutually exclusive. Why can't someone like that just lay it out and say "I really, really love you, I really want to spend the rest of my life with you and you will always have a beautiful and highly sexual wife devoted to you and your every need...and I need to sometimes...and I need to be able to be honest with you about that, and I need to know you will not get upset if I..." Or why can't a man do that? Of course the other partner can opt out of that and say "No way, not for me" I don't judge either way. But I think if a marriage is going to last there has to be realistic commitment. People in that marriage have the same rules everyone else does. No lying, no cheating, no sneaking around, but I believe they are more able to actually keep those ideals.

Imagine the protection it gives someone and the freedom. You cannot blackmail them over sex because they told their spouse before they did it. I really think the Clinton's had this all set. They had to put on a show for those that don't like it.

The more I hear about this, the more it seems this woman was in love with him and that is off limits. That's a mistake. It needs to be up front..."Hey I am married and devoted to my family but my wife and I have an agreement and we can do this, but it is just for fun...got it?"

I just hate to see someone lose a career or a family break up over sex. I know of a woman who is now a single mom because her husband "cheated" on her, had sex with another woman and she divorced him because NO WAY was that gonna happen. "Cheat once, cheat always" yada yada. Now she is living in near poverty (he does pay child support but that is not enough) she is drugged up on all sorts of anti-depressants, their son, their CHILD, is all messed up and has had to be placed in "special schools" because he was being disruptive in normal school...the poor kid's life is destroyed, the woman has about -0- chance of getting married again. She is overweight, on Prozac and with a "problem child" as baggage. I give the kid 3 more years until he is in the correctional system. Why? For sex that really meant nothing.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I wonder if he ends up dumping his wife for this gal?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I wonder if he ends up dumping his wife for this gal?

She may be able to better commit. She seems like it.

I could be biased, but it seems that in order for my theory to work you have to be married to a HOT wife to begin with and go from there.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You are making assumptions on persoanl behavior based on my beliefs. Not necessarily wise. But many people here have done that. Many people have said I have given great detail of my sex life. I have never given any details.

I strongly support the legalization of marijuana but have NEVER used it, neither has Alla. I even got some from a friend to show her what it looked like and then she threw it down the toilet.

I have never been intoxicated in my life. Alla has been. If you took all the alcohol I ever drank I bet it would not make me drunk. I am pro-choice AND pro life. I carry a gun and would kill someone that threatened my family but I have never even been in a fist fight, even as a young boy! I support Gay rights and I am as straight as an arrow.

As reqards sex, both my wife and I believe it is normal, natural, for pleasure (if not making babies) and that a man or wife should get what they need from their spouse and the spouse shpul;d gladly provide it. We value honesty over sex. Take from that what you will.

I had sex with a lot of women, I lived in Ukraine...it was easy to have sex wuith 2-3 new women every week. I was nt committed to any of them, they were not committed to me. I do not mistake sex for committment, or love. I AM committed to Alla and I was committed to her from the moment I saw her the first time.

We evaluated our personal beliefs and behaviors and made a commitment to each other in writing, a "pre-nup" if you must give it a name (it does not mention financial issues) and decided it is what WE can commit to and be comfortable with.

I will say this, surveys have shown that by age 45, some 90% of men and more than 75% of women have engaged in extramarital sex. To one degree or another. I would be devasted to find out that Alla had been having sex with someone when she told me she was going to work or going shopping or going to see her girlfriend. Not so much because of the sex, but because of the broken trust which we agreed NOT to do and not to create an environment where we felt we could not be honest. The option of an open marriage prevents that, and that was my point.

So I would say not to attach to much personal behavior to what I say. I am very open minded about what people do in their personal lives. It does not mean I do not myself.

Then again...maybe I do.

Exactly. If they do not agree ahead of time it is a trust issue.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

She may be able to better commit. She seems like it.

I could be biased, but it seems that in order for my theory to work you have to be married to a HOT wife to begin with and go from there.

I think if this guy leaves his wife for this gal he won't think twice about looking back.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I wonder if he ends up dumping his wife for this gal?

The girl is married to a much younger better looking Doctor.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Exactly. If they do not agree ahead of time it is a trust issue.

Oh yeah, up front or forget it.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The girl is married to a much younger better looking Doctor.

Apparently the doctor dude wasn't cutting it for her. She wanted the military type guy. A guy who's pro gun and most likely a Republican. The doctor hubby is probably a tree hugging greenie, anti gun nut voting Democrat. That and is the doctor hubby going to keep her around now after she cheated on him for over a year.