The "Dream Act" paid off for Obama in a big way

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm all for making e-verify mandatory.

I'm for making submission of the I-9 data to the USCIS mandatory.

I'm for making unlawful presence a misdemeanor.

I'm for imposing huge fines on employers who get caught knowingly employing illegal aliens.

Not going to happen for 2 reasons:

1) Since corporate American finances our politicians' election campaigns, yes Obama's included, no politician can propose a law hurting his masters.

2) The Hispanic population of the United States, and with it the number of registered Latino voters, would not want that to happen.

So for the same reason the 14th Amendment, and the 2nd Amendment will not be amended, "Immigration Reform" is at this point merely a way to solve the problems of illegal immigrants who are already in the United States.

You got it. And it really isn't that hard to understand.

[david'sgirl 134]

You are missing the point.

The point is that your husband had a way to get here.

No, you are missing the point. The people here illegally broke the law to get here which makes the whole process longer and harder for the rest of us who chose to abide by the law. By your logic if there is no legal way to get what you want then you are justified to take matters into your own hands and break the law.

[david'sgirl 134]

Stop making sense and stop being reasonable. This is P&R. You ought to come out with bombastic bullshite around here in order to be taken seriously.

[david'sgirl 134]

I'm all for making e-verify mandatory.

I'm for making submission of the I-9 data to the USCIS mandatory.

I'm for making unlawful presence a misdemeanor.

I'm for imposing huge fines on employers who get caught knowingly employing illegal aliens.

Not going to happen for 2 reasons:

1) Since corporate American finances our politicians' election campaigns, yes Obama's included, no politician can propose a law hurting his masters.

2) The Hispanic population of the United States, and with it the number of registered Latino voters, would not want that to happen.

So for the same reason the 14th Amendment, and the 2nd Amendment will not be amended, "Immigration Reform" is at this point merely a way to solve the problems of illegal immigrants who are already in the United States.

I agree but until they change the law I still see them as line jumping criminals.

Fining employers is an excellent idea. My husband's argument is if we dont have illegals and they have to be paid minimum wage there will be no one left to do the lowest paying jobs and the economy will collapse.

[Karee 4,191]

Maybe they should fix the LEGAL immigration process before this Dream Act is even up for debate. It took a year to get my wife here legally. I'd be all for that kind of immigration reform.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Karee

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Maybe they should fix the LEGAL immigration process before this Dream Act is even up for debate. It took a year to get my wife here legally. I'd be all for that kind of immigration reform.

There are 312 million people living in the United States. About how many of them are registered to vote and how many do actually exercise their right to vote?

Now ask those folks what needs to be part of immigration reform, and you can hope for about 5% mentioning something that has not to do with illegal immigration.

If I could give my input, I would:

1) Raise the Affidavit of Support from 125% to 200%.

2) Make a very simple English test part of the immigration process.

3) Would allow a sponsor for visitor's visas (who guarantees that the visitor will leave when the I-94 expires). That would make it easier for foreigners to visit their child or grandchild.

4) Would prevent any US citizen to petition for 5 years. That means a freshly naturalized US citizen has to wait 5 years before he or she can start chain immigration

5) Would limit petitions to 1 person every 5 years for a lifetime maximum of 3 petition.

6) Would eliminate AoS for overstayers

7) Would limit every citizen to only one K-1 or CR-1/IR-1 per lifetime.

8) Would change RoC from 2 years to 3 years.

9) Would switch naturalization to 5 years, regardless if married or not.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

There are 312 million people living in the United States. About how many of them are registered to vote and how many do actually exercise their right to vote?

Now ask those folks what needs to be part of immigration reform, and you can hope for about 5% mentioning something that has not to do with illegal immigration.

If I could give my input, I would:

1) Raise the Affidavit of Support from 125% to 200%.

2) Make a very simple English test part of the immigration process.

3) Would allow a sponsor for visitor's visas (who guarantees that the visitor will leave when the I-94 expires). That would make it easier for foreigners to visit their child or grandchild.

4) Would prevent any US citizen to petition for 5 years. That means a freshly naturalized US citizen has to wait 5 years before he or she can start chain immigration

5) Would limit petitions to 1 person every 5 years for a lifetime maximum of 3 petition.

6) Would eliminate AoS for overstayers

7) Would limit every citizen to only one K-1 or CR-1/IR-1 per lifetime.

8) Would change RoC from 2 years to 3 years.

9) Would switch naturalization to 5 years, regardless if married or not.

And lose my chance of ever landing a hot little blue eyed blonde deaf & dumb 18 year old Ukrainian gymnast? I don't think so.

[Karee 4,191]

There are 312 million people living in the United States. About how many of them are registered to vote and how many do actually exercise their right to vote?

Now ask those folks what needs to be part of immigration reform, and you can hope for about 5% mentioning something that has not to do with illegal immigration.

If I could give my input, I would:

1) Raise the Affidavit of Support from 125% to 200%.

2) Make a very simple English test part of the immigration process.

3) Would allow a sponsor for visitor's visas (who guarantees that the visitor will leave when the I-94 expires). That would make it easier for foreigners to visit their child or grandchild.

4) Would prevent any US citizen to petition for 5 years. That means a freshly naturalized US citizen has to wait 5 years before he or she can start chain immigration

5) Would limit petitions to 1 person every 5 years for a lifetime maximum of 3 petition.

6) Would eliminate AoS for overstayers

7) Would limit every citizen to only one K-1 or CR-1/IR-1 per lifetime.

8) Would change RoC from 2 years to 3 years.

9) Would switch naturalization to 5 years, regardless if married or not.

All seem good. I would be tougher on #6.

#6 should be eliminate AoS period for anyone adjusting from a tourist visa or VWP to marraige based permanent residency.

Also get rid of the Fiance visas.

With all the extra restrictions you propose, they should also be able to issue visas in ~60 days versus a year or more in some cases. The E.U. seems to do it in about 30 days for family based immigration.

Also, 5 &7 are kinda at odds with each other.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Karee

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

No, you are missing the point. The people here illegally broke the law to get here which makes the whole process longer and harder for the rest of us who chose to abide by the law. By your logic if there is no legal way to get what you want then you are justified to take matters into your own hands and break the law.

The process is not "longer and harder" for the rest of us because of people who aren't using the process. They are not draining any USCIS or State Department resources.

The process is long and hard because of a)sheer volume - lots of people trying to get visas (far more than any other country in the world) and b) fraud committed by applicants. Oh - and the process became considerably longer after 9/11 when criminal background checks (and other checks such as Mantis, Condor etc) for every applicant became State Department policy.

And please re-read my first post on this matter. I never said illegal entrants are justified in what they are doing. I said many are desperate and so they resort to illegality.

Would you be opposed to these workers having a legal path to come here solely for the purpose of work?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The process is not "longer and harder" for the rest of us because of people who aren't using the process. They are not draining any USCIS or State Department resources.

The process is long and hard because of a)sheer volume - lots of people trying to get visas (far more than any other country in the world) and b) fraud committed by applicants. Oh - and the process became considerably longer after 9/11 when criminal background checks (and other checks such as Mantis, Condor etc) for every applicant became State Department policy.

And please re-read my first post on this matter. I never said illegal entrants are justified in what they are doing. I said many are desperate and so they resort to illegality.

Would you be opposed to these workers having a legal path to come here solely for the purpose of work?

Worker visa's are fine, but no free ride like the Dream Act.

[Niels Bohr 72]

The Dream Act make so many millionaires. If not, middle-class people who were immigrants.

Edited November 14, 2012 by Niels Bohr