Illegal alien in GA sues over DL law

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Filing a lawsuit does not indicate anything about our country. I can file a lawsuit against YOU for me not getting a drivers license in Vermont. So what?

What WILL determine we have lost our mind will be if the court decides to hear the case and if the court rules in his favor. I give little chance to the former and -0- chance to the latter. What it DOES indicate is that there is an abundance of blood sucking attorneys that will take money for anything.

This could (but will not be) changed with a simple change in the law.

1. Loser pays all legal fess and costs of defense/prosecution

It will not be done because it would eliminate a lot of business for attorneys and lawmakers are nearly all attorneys.

Agree but my point was, that we have such a messed up immigration policy that a Illegal alien can openly bring a law suit in court without fear of someone going, "hey you're here illegally the law states I should deport you". If he was appealing his immigration status, then fine give him a stay until it is done, but his is not the case.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Agree but my point was, that we have such a messed up immigration policy that a Illegal alien can openly bring a law suit in court without fear of someone going, "hey you're here illegally the law states I should deport you". If he was appealing his immigration status, then fine give him a stay until it is done, but his is not the case.

The problem with illegal aliens is you and everyone else continually refer to it as an IMMIGRATION problem. Illegal aliens are NOT an immigration problem. THEY ARE ILLEGAL! They are NOT immigrants. There is no problem with the "immigration policy". Under immigration policy they are ILLEGAL.

The PROBLEM is that we do not enfore our labor laws against U.S. EMPLOYERS who exploit illegals for profit. When are we going to impose untenable taxes on employers for avoiding our labor laws by exploiting humans?

"Americans (legal workers) won't do those jobs" BULLSH*T, so why aren't LEGAL Mexican immigrants doing those jobs? Are you kidding me? Only ILLEGAL Mexican (Hispanic) people can/will do those jobs? They are hired because they are CHEAP. They are CHEAP because the employers do not PAY all the taxes and benefits and other expenses such as workman's comp insurance that they need to with LEGAL workers. Make an illegal Mexican legal and he becomes unemployed and replaced with another illegal Mexican. He was not hired for his work ethic or because he is the best roofer in the world or for his language skills. He was hired because he was cheap, because he is being exploited for profit. Make him legal, and he is no longer cheap. Buh bye!

We went to WAR with Spain in 1898 for their similar exploitation of Hispanics, now it is perfectly OK to abuse humans and smuggle them in cattle trucks for PROFIT right here in the USA.

NOW, you go to his employer and close his business, padlock the door and hand him a tax bill for $3.6 million and tell him the lock comes off when he pays the tax for violating labor laws, Federal tax withholding laws and for not having workman's comp, and the guy who filed the lawsuit will WALK back to Mexico and abandon his lawsuit tomorrow because NO ONE will dare to exploit him.

All this nonsense is to keep everyone's eyes off the ball. Bicker about fences, citizenship policy regarding babies born here, etc., etc. and ignore the REAL problem that NONE of the politicians want to address.

Then go have your presidential election between two guys who will do NOTHING about the exploitation of humans for profit in this country...and tell me which one is "best" What an effin' joke.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The problem with illegal aliens is you and everyone else continually refer to it as an IMMIGRATION problem. Illegal aliens are NOT an immigration problem. THEY ARE ILLEGAL! They are NOT immigrants. There is no problem with the "immigration policy". Under immigration policy they are ILLEGAL.

The PROBLEM is that we do not enfore our labor laws against U.S. EMPLOYERS who exploit illegals for profit. When are we going to impose untenable taxes on employers for avoiding our labor laws by exploiting humans?

"Americans (legal workers) won't do those jobs" BULLSH*T, so why aren't LEGAL Mexican immigrants doing those jobs? Are you kidding me? Only ILLEGAL Mexican (Hispanic) people can/will do those jobs? They are hired because they are CHEAP. They are CHEAP because the employers do not PAY all the taxes and benefits and other expenses such as workman's comp insurance that they need to with LEGAL workers. Make an illegal Mexican legal and he becomes unemployed and replaced with another illegal Mexican. He was not hired for his work ethic or because he is the best roofer in the world or for his language skills. He was hired because he was cheap, because he is being exploited for profit. Make him legal, and he is no longer cheap. Buh bye!

We went to WAR with Spain in 1898 for their similar exploitation of Hispanics, now it is perfectly OK to abuse humans and smuggle them in cattle trucks for PROFIT right here in the USA.

NOW, you go to his employer and close his business, padlock the door and hand him a tax bill for $3.6 million and tell him the lock comes off when he pays the tax for violating labor laws, Federal tax withholding laws and for not having workman's comp, and the guy who filed the lawsuit will WALK back to Mexico and abandon his lawsuit tomorrow because NO ONE will dare to exploit him.

All this nonsense is to keep everyone's eyes off the ball. Bicker about fences, citizenship policy regarding babies born here, etc., etc. and ignore the REAL problem that NONE of the politicians want to address.

Then go have your presidential election between two guys who will do NOTHING about the exploitation of humans for profit in this country...and tell me which one is "best" What an effin' joke.

We have been through this before and agree. I stand by my statement we have an immigration problem. When someone comes to this country Illegally it is still immigration isn't it ?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

We have been through this before and agree. I stand by my statement we have an immigration problem. When someone comes to this country Illegally it is still immigration isn't it ?

Your statement (you can read it again) was that we had a messed up immigration policy. NO we don't. The immigration policy is that they are illegal and it is illegal to exploit them for profit. It is already illegal for them to immigrate, what do you want to do, make it MORE illegal?

The PROBLEM is we have politicians who know exactly how to fix the actual problem of employers evading LABOR LAWS but do not because it is not good for their career as politicians. So they convince you we have an "immigration" policy and talk about "immigration" instead of how to make US employers comply with the existing LABOR LAWS.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Your statement (you can read it again) was that we had a messed up immigration policy. NO we don't. The immigration policy is that they are illegal and it is illegal to exploit them for profit. It is already illegal for them to immigrate, what do you want to do, make it MORE illegal?

The PROBLEM is we have politicians who know exactly how to fix the actual problem of employers evading LABOR LAWS but do not because it is not good for their career as politicians. So they convince you we have an "immigration" policy and talk about "immigration" instead of how to make US employers comply with the existing LABOR LAWS.

LOL you are saying the same thing I have said many times in here. Go after the employers. Why because, that would stop the illegal IMMIGRANTS from coming to this country because they would have no work. .

So we could pass tough new laws and enforce them regarding hiring illegal aliens. Great idea. This reform of Immigration policy would be great. Your spliting hairs and arguing with someone who agrees with you just to get your view point out.

You would be better served to say : To expound on what you said .

Just for the record in order to crack down on employers we are going to have to change policy and law.

[justashooter 430]

Well, some here seem to question the individual's right to due process. If she's truly blind, then the individual's legal status should not impact the individual's right to due process.

google "blackwell, fruit of the poisoned tree"

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

google "blackwell, fruit of the poisoned tree"

His legal status was not determined during an unlawful search.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

LOL you are saying the same thing I have said many times in here. Go after the employers. Why because, that would stop the illegal IMMIGRANTS from coming to this country because they would have no work. .

So we could pass tough new laws and enforce them regarding hiring illegal aliens. Great idea. This reform of Immigration policy would be great. Your spliting hairs and arguing with someone who agrees with you just to get your view point out.

You would be better served to say : To expound on what you said .

Just for the record in order to crack down on employers we are going to have to change policy and law.

We do not need to change immigration policy at all. We have a problem with people avoiding immigration policy and wage and hour laws already existing because it is economically feasible to do so.

The ONLY thing needed is to place a TAX on the employment of illegal aliens. Taxes are great because they avoid the due process of criminal charges. Padlock the door until the tax is paid. If they want to dispute it...go right ahead. The padlock stays until it is settled. Do that to 2-3 businesses and the problem is solved. Anything else is smoke and mirrors. There is nothing to expound, nothing else will work. No matter what you build, what immigration policy you change...until it is economic suicide to exploit illegal aliens it will continue. Capturing and deporting illegals or making them legal is nothing more than a conscription of more illegals.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

We do not need to change immigration policy at all. We have a problem with people avoiding immigration policy and wage and hour laws already existing because it is economically feasible to do so.

The ONLY thing needed is to place a TAX on the employment of illegal aliens. Taxes are great because they avoid the due process of criminal charges. Padlock the door until the tax is paid. If they want to dispute it...go right ahead. The padlock stays until it is settled. Do that to 2-3 businesses and the problem is solved. Anything else is smoke and mirrors. There is nothing to expound, nothing else will work. No matter what you build, what immigration policy you change...until it is economic suicide to exploit illegal aliens it will continue. Capturing and deporting illegals or making them legal is nothing more than a conscription of more illegals.

People are not avoiding the law they are using the poorly written law and the loop holes in it to their advantage. Most states do not require E-verify and the ones that do can not use it to check already employed. Even many of the states that require it do not make it mandatory for businesses below certain numbers.

In most states all you have to do is present to I-9 forms of identification (2) , and your in. No need to verify if the ID is fake or not. Your not required to report it. If you get caught your covered unless they go after you using RICO.. I have been a plant manager for years. I have had a subscription to E-Verify for years. I am not guessing or goggling on this one.. It will take a new national immigration and employment law to change this.

Heck even a nex tax as you suggest is going to require a new law.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I am glad I was not eating cereal when I read the attorneys argument or I would have had a mess to clean up on my monitor. Beyond crazy argument.

.. Anyway this should be a simple infraction, not even a misdemeanor. Why is it even being given the opportunity to be considered by a higher court? The state should just drop the charges and send him home for being here illegally with a lifetime (or 10 year) ban... Money saved, problem gone, no possibility of some stupid precedent being set.

Edited November 6, 2012 by OnMyWayID

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

People are not avoiding the law they are using the poorly written law and the loop holes in it to their advantage. Most states do not require E-verify and the ones that do can not use it to check already employed. Even many of the states that require it do not make it mandatory for businesses below certain numbers.

In most states all you have to do is present to I-9 forms of identification (2) , and your in. No need to verify if the ID is fake or not. Your not required to report it. If you get caught your covered unless they go after you using RICO.. I have been a plant manager for years. I have had a subscription to E-Verify for years. I am not guessing or goggling on this one.. It will take a new national immigration and employment law to change this.

Heck even a nex tax as you suggest is going to require a new law.

Look, you said the immigration code is messed up. It is not. I never said we do not need any new laws, nor am I against effective laws. I said we do not need any new immigration laws.

A TAX law is not an immigration law. Labor and wage and hour laws are not immigration laws. Even e-verify is not an immigration law, as it applies to everyone (if made mandatory). I fill out an I-9 if I get a new job. I also think the verification documents should be changed to some very few. Such as eliminate the B & C columns and just require a document from column A, you don't have one of those...go home and get it, or just go home.

Again, though, ALL of this is a moot point if the penalty for exploiting illegals is such a ruinous tax that no one would dare to hire them.

IF we are going to tax people out of business for hiring illegals then we need to provide a system for them to verify employment eligibility and it needs to be available to anyone. If I hire someone to mow my lawn I should be able to verify they are legal to work with a phone call or a website. E-verify should be mandatory nationwide.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Look, you said the immigration code is messed up. It is not. I never said we do not need any new laws, nor am I against effective laws. I said we do not need any new immigration laws.

A TAX law is not an immigration law. Labor and wage and hour laws are not immigration laws. Even e-verify is not an immigration law, as it applies to everyone (if made mandatory). I fill out an I-9 if I get a new job. I also think the verification documents should be changed to some very few. Such as eliminate the B & C columns and just require a document from column A, you don't have one of those...go home and get it, or just go home.

Again, though, ALL of this is a moot point if the penalty for exploiting illegals is such a ruinous tax that no one would dare to hire them.

IF we are going to tax people out of business for hiring illegals then we need to provide a system for them to verify employment eligibility and it needs to be available to anyone. If I hire someone to mow my lawn I should be able to verify they are legal to work with a phone call or a website. E-verify should be mandatory nationwide.

we already have that system. Ok changing how immigration status must be handled, reported and the requirements to work in this country has nothing to do with immigration law and code. . Yeah ok..if you say so.. You win peace.

[justashooter 430]

His legal status was not determined during an unlawful search.

his petition is filed during an unlawful presence.