GOP Candidate Opposes Abortion Exception In Cases Of ‘The Rape Thing’

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Exactly,

If one believes a new human life begins at conception, (If it's not human life what type is it then?) ... the means or method is irrelevant to that biological fact. It is relevant in a host of other ways.

Some people carry on like Getting an Abortion somehow erases the rape or minimizes the impact of it and mean old pro-life people really just want these women to have this -Rape delete- mechanism taken away.

Abortion under the circumstance of Rape is a worthy debate to have, this gutter tactic of linking those commitment to unborn life and the disregard for the trauma of rape is ...born of desperate politics.

So if a rapist is raping your wife you cannot shoot him because if he is not human life then what kind of life is he? It should be irrelevent that he is brutally raping your wife or child, he is biologically a human life, you cannot kill him. Killing him will not erase what he has done.

Am I right about this? Tell me Danno.

[Karee 4,191]

So if a rapist is raping your wife you cannot shoot him because if he is not human life then what kind of life is he? It should be irrelevent that he is brutally raping your wife or child, he is biologically a human life, you cannot kill him. Killing him will not erase what he has done.

Am I right about this? Tell me Danno.

This conversation just went down a road that is way over my head.

Edited November 3, 2012 by Karee

[Danno 1,228]

So if a rapist is raping your wife you cannot shoot him because if he is not human life then what kind of life is he? It should be irrelevent that he is brutally raping your wife or child, he is biologically a human life, you cannot kill him. Killing him will not erase what he has done.

Am I right about this? Tell me Danno.

First of all you are making this about me personally when I am just presenting a generic pro-life view which is shared by many people and many faiths (as well as people without faith at all)

Secondly there is a huge difference between innocent life and someone who has done something which might require a death to stop him from inflicting harm or greater harm.

One would have to be an absolute pacifist to find the killing of another can NEVER be justified and very very few people hold that view. (certainly not myself) or anyone I have ever known)

What we are talking about in your case is the comparison between killing a person who is doing graves harm to another and on the other hand destroying a human life in development which has done absolutely nothing wrong.

That being said, most people, divide pregnancies into two broad distinctions... those who had it imposed on them and those who acted irresponsibly.

IN the first case most people allow that sometimes to undo a wrong (The imposed pregnancy) often requires drastic actions. IN the second case, polls show there is less support for it.

-I guess we should also note that have an abortion after a rape.... when the mother knows she was pregnant often further complicates the healing process as some women report they later carry the weight of the rape and also the knowledge that they aborted a pregnancy that was half hers. Naturally many women have absolutely no regret about it, people process things differently but still the point remains that as odd as it sounds some women do regret the abortion and in some cases report that the burden of the abortion eclipsed the burden of the rape because one diminished somewhat while considering what the child might be like at each anniversary.

Personally I am pro-life of course but I am not an absolutist.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

This conversation just went down a road that is way over my head.

Just pointing out that "pro life people" have no more respecgt for human life than "pro choice people" and, in fact, are NOT "pro life" at all but "anti-abortion" Just say so.

Just say "It is OK with me to kill humans under certain circumtances but not while they are a fetus in the womb and I want a LAW to make everyone else do what I want"

And if you are one of the so-called "pro-choice" people who have no problem with abortion, but are against the choice to own a firearm, then just say so. "It is OK with me to kill humans under certain circumstances, but not to defend your own life or that of a loved one from a criminal and I want a LAW to make everyone do what I want"

See if everyone is just honest and direct it makes the issue much easier to understand

[Karee 4,191]

Just pointing out that "pro life people" have no more respecgt for human life than "pro choice people" and, in fact, are NOT "pro life" at all but "anti-abortion" Just say so.

Just say "It is OK with me to kill humans under certain circumtances but not while they are a fetus in the womb and I want a LAW to make everyone else do what I want"

And if you are one of the so-called "pro-choice" people who have no problem with abortion, but are against the choice to own a firearm, then just say so. "It is OK with me to kill humans under certain circumstances, but not to defend your own life or that of a loved one from a criminal and I want a LAW to make everyone do what I want"

See if everyone is just honest and direct it makes the issue much easier to understand

Thanks for clearing it up.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

First of all you are making this about me personally when I am just presenting a generic pro-life view which is shared by many people and many faiths (as well as people without faith at all)

Secondly there is a huge difference between innocent life and someone who has done something which might require a death to stop him from inflicting harm or greater harm.

One would have to be an absolute pacifist to find the killing of another can NEVER be justified and very very few people hold that view. (certainly not myself) or anyone I have ever known)

What we are talking about in your case is the comparison between killing a person who is doing graves harm to another and on the other hand destroying a human life in development which has done absolutely nothing wrong.

That being said, most people, divide pregnancies into two broad distinctions... those who had it imposed on them and those who acted irresponsibly.

IN the first case most people allow that sometimes to undo a wrong (The imposed pregnancy) often requires drastic actions. IN the second case, polls show there is less support for it.

-I guess we should also note that have an abortion after a rape.... when the mother knows she was pregnant often further complicates the healing process as some women report they later carry the weight of the rape and also the knowledge that they aborted a pregnancy that was half hers. Naturally many women have absolutely no regret about it, people process things differently but still the point remains that as odd as it sounds some women do regret the abortion and in some cases report that the burden of the abortion eclipsed the burden of the rape because one diminished somewhat while considering what the child might be like at each anniversary.

Personally I am pro-life of course but I am not an absolutist.

What do polls have to do with it? Is this a matter of principals or popularity? Human life is human life. You are not an absolutist (I did not even know there was such a term) and neither am I. We BOTH agree that it is OK for one person to kill another person under certain circumstances. You may even be surprised to learn that the circumstances I agree with are identical to the ones YOU agree with. Can you believe it? It's true.

The difference is I do not support the government making MY beliefs apply to everyone else by force. You do. You are not "pro life". You are anti-abortion. So am I. I am pro-choice AND pro-life, because I support the rights of everyone even if they are not like me.

[Danno 1,228]

Just pointing out that "pro life people" have no more respecgt for human life than "pro choice people" and, in fact, are NOT "pro life" at all but "anti-abortion" Just say so.

Just say "It is OK with me to kill humans under certain circumtances but not while they are a fetus in the womb and I want a LAW to make everyone else do what I want"

And if you are one of the so-called "pro-choice" people who have no problem with abortion, but are against the choice to own a firearm, then just say so. "It is OK with me to kill humans under certain circumstances, but not to defend your own life or that of a loved one from a criminal and I want a LAW to make everyone do what I want"

See if everyone is just honest and direct it makes the issue much easier to understand

OKay gary, ya got me... but only for one wasted post.

Some folks sing in the shower.... Gary talks.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

OKay gary, ya got me... but only for one wasted post.

Some folks sing in the shower.... Gary talks.

Not when I can #### in the shower