GOP Candidate Opposes Abortion Exception In Cases Of ‘The Rape Thing’

[Danno 1,228]

Can't rape also be a crime and a method of conecption? I mean on a purely biological level an egg is fertilized etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm pro choice.

Exactly,

If one believes a new human life begins at conception, (If it's not human life what type is it then?) ... the means or method is irrelevant to that biological fact. It is relevant in a host of other ways.

Some people carry on like Getting an Abortion somehow erases the rape or minimizes the impact of it and mean old pro-life people really just want these women to have this -Rape delete- mechanism taken away.

Abortion under the circumstance of Rape is a worthy debate to have, this gutter tactic of linking those commitment to unborn life and the disregard for the trauma of rape is ...born of desperate politics.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Abortion after rape is not a worthy discussion to have. Sorry Danno, 1952 called and they want you to know that it is now 2012.

Saying rape is a method of conception is like saying rape is just making love against one participants will.

[Karee 4,191]

Abortion after rape is not a worthy discussion to have. Sorry Danno, 1952 called and they want you to know that it is now 2012.

Saying rape is a method of conception is like saying rape is just making love against one participants will.

I guess I'm dense. If the act of rape results in a woman becoming pregnant, doesn't that mean that conception took place? Just because the female was an unwilling participant doesn't mean she is magically not pregnant.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Karee

[Danno 1,228]

Abortion after rape is not a worthy discussion to have. Sorry Danno, 1952 called and they want you to know that it is now 2012.

Saying rape is a method of conception is like saying rape is just making love against one participants will.

I will just assume you don't know what it means to "conceive".

Rather than let you flounder in darkness I will try to light a candle.

conception |kənˈsep sh ən|

noun

1 the action of conceiving a child or of a child being conceived : an unfertilized egg before conception | a rise in premarital conceptions.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Danno

[JohnR! 5,495]

Abortion under the circumstance of Rape is a worthy debate to have,

It depends.

In the legal realm, abortion under any circumstance is not up for debate. The SCOTUS already ruled on it about 40 years ago. That is settled.

In the moral realm, you can always make an argument, but the variables are so many it would be impossible to come up with consensus.

In any case, we need not worry. As soon as the elections are over, the entire political discourse about abortion should fizzle.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I guess I'm dense. If the act of rape results in a woman becoming pregnant, doesn't that mean that conception took place? Just because the female was an unwilling participant doesn't mean she is magically not pregnant.

And yet, there is absolutely no need to start a debate of whether the insult of having to bear the product of that rape to term must be added to the woman's injury of having been raped. That choice belonging to the victim of the crime should never, ever be open to debate.

And then, there is this sick little wrinkle to consider:

"You see, nine months after my rape, I gave birth to a beautiful little girl. You could say she was conceived in rape; she was. But she is also so much more than her beginnings. I blissfully believed that after I finally had decided to give birth to and to raise my daughter, life would be all roses and endless days at the playground. I was wrong again.

It would not be long before I would learn firsthand that in the vast majority of states -- 31 -- men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy. When no law prohibits a rapist from exercising these rights, a woman may feel forced to bargain away her legal rights to a criminal trial in exchange for the rapist dropping the bid to have access to her child."

Ain't America great?

[Danno 1,228]

It depends.

In the legal realm, abortion Slavery under any circumstance is not up for debate. The SCOTUS already ruled on it. That is settled.

Define "Settled"

[JohnR! 5,495]

Define "Settled"

'Settled' in the legal sense and in the context of abortion in regards to Roe v. Wade, means that the SCOTUS heard a case where the parties argued for the legality and illegality of abortion. Their ruling was in favor of those arguing that abortions are legal. That 'settles' the matter in the legal sense, in that abortions are legal in all 50 states, so it would be useless to discuss whether abortions are legal. As with any court ruling in the United States, specially ruling by the SCOTUS, our legal system of jurisprudence defines that their decision is valid in all areas where their - the SCOTUS' - breadth of authority reaches, which in this case, is the entire territory of the United States of America.

You can discuss the moral aspects of abortions, to be sure, but a debate about its legality has already been concluded some 40 years ago.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Gegel

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I guess I'm dense. If the act of rape results in a woman becoming pregnant, doesn't that mean that conception took place? Just because the female was an unwilling participant doesn't mean she is magically not pregnant.

Conceived carries connotations of both participants trying to make a baby. Impregnate is a much more appropriate word to describe a rape victim becoming pregnant after the violent act of rape.

Think logically about the argument being used to claim pregnancy as a result of rape not being a sound basis for getting an abortion. The religious zealotry behind that argument is that God protects all life, and all unborn from fertilization onward is life, and the pregnancy is Gods will. But logically it would also follow that God wanted the woman to be raped, in order to create, conceive if you will, that precious life. From that logic, God approves of the act of rape itself.

Define "Settled"

Why? Google it.

[Danno 1,228]

'Settled' in the legal sense and in the context of abortion in regards to Roe v. Wade, means that the SCOTUS heard a case where the parties argued for the legality and illegality of abortion. Their ruling was in favor of those arguing that abortions are legal. That 'settles' the matter in the legal sense, in that abortions are legal in all 50 states, so it would be useless to discuss whether abortions are legal. As with any court ruling in the United States, specially ruling by the SCOTUS, our legal system of jurisprudence defines that their decision is valid in all areas where their - the SCOTUS' - breadth of authority reaches, which in this case, is the entire territory of the United States of America.

You can discuss the moral aspects of abortions, to be sure, but a debate about its legality has already been concluded some 40 years ago.

Was Slavery ever settled law?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Was Slavery ever settled law?

Nothing is ever truly settled in case law IMO.

Slavery is arguably still alive.

Edited November 3, 2012 by Sousuke

[JohnR! 5,495]

Was Slavery ever settled law?

Of which SCOTUS ruling are you speaking? There are several, as I am sure you are well aware, and it would be impossible to discuss the matter without the particulars of one specific case.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I guess I'm dense. If the act of rape results in a woman becoming pregnant, doesn't that mean that conception took place? Just because the female was an unwilling participant doesn't mean she is magically not pregnant.

The qualifying word is 'method.'

1. A means or manner of procedure, especially a regular and systematic way of accomplishing something: a simple method for making a pie crust; mediation as a method of solving disputes. See Usage Note at methodology.

2. Orderly arrangement of parts or steps to accomplish an end: random efforts that lack method.

Calling rape a method of contraception is offensive under any circumstances as it would never be a means for a woman to get pregnant any more than considering having sex with ten different men as a method to get pregnant. And if you suggested to your spouse if she was wanting to get pregnant, that one method would be to sleep with several different men, she's probably slap you on the face.

Edited November 3, 2012 by Commie Appeaser

[Karee 4,191]

The qualifying word is 'method.'

1. A means or manner of procedure, especially a regular and systematic way of accomplishing something: a simple method for making a pie crust; mediation as a method of solving disputes. See Usage Note at methodology.

2. Orderly arrangement of parts or steps to accomplish an end: random efforts that lack method.

Calling rape a method of contraception is offensive under any circumstances as it would never be a means for a woman to get pregnant any more than considering having sex with ten different men as a method to get pregnant. And if you suggested to your spouse if she was wanting to get pregnant, that one method would be to sleep with several different men, she's probably slap you on the face.

My wife would never slap me in the face. She knows her place. Her place is either in the kitchen cooking for me, or waiting patiently in bed for me.

[Danno 1,228]

The qualifying word is 'method.'

1. A means or manner of procedure, especially a regular and systematic way of accomplishing something: a simple method for making a pie crust; mediation as a method of solving disputes. See Usage Note at methodology.

2. Orderly arrangement of parts or steps to accomplish an end: random efforts that lack method.

Calling rape a method of contraception is offensive under any circumstances as it would never be a means for a woman to get pregnant any more than considering having sex with ten different men as a method to get pregnant. And if you suggested to your spouse if she was wanting to get pregnant, that one method would be to sleep with several different men, she's probably slap you on the face.

Steve forgive me but you are getting to emotional when biology has no connection to our feelings.

All that effort wasted to highlight and misuse the word "method" of it was odd.

Biology doesn't care how the fertilization takes place, if it be a sweet pleasant experience or traumatic.... unless you are are joining in with the school of thought that the body "shuts down" and makes provisions to minimize conception at these emotional or distressful times.

Why are you at war with science, conception is conception as far as it is concerned.