Kerry gives his opinion of our servicepeople in Iraq

[mmmbop1976 1]

I found a link to the entire speach Kerry made here so you can see the entire context in which he made his remarks. It certainly could have been a "botched joke" aimed at Bush- I'll even say probably was, but you can't say it's obvious. Preceding the joke there is one joke generally poking fun of Republicans and one specifically aimed at Bush. After the joke he starts talking about Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein. Love the audiences delayed reaction to the line too. I wonder if they really knew what he meant or they thought the joke was funny as it was said.

By the way Phil Angelides really didn't need this being already way down in the polls to Arnold-and it's just wierd seeing Arnold's name on my wife's Cosmo License!

botched joke? or freudian slip?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I found a link to the entire speach Kerry made here so you can see the entire context in which he made his remarks. It certainly could have been a "botched joke" aimed at Bush- I'll even say probably was, but you can't say it's obvious. Preceding the joke there is one joke generally poking fun of Republicans and one specifically aimed at Bush. After the joke he starts talking about Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein. Love the audiences delayed reaction to the line too. I wonder if they really knew what he meant or they thought the joke was funny as it was said.

By the way Phil Angelides really didn't need this being already way down in the polls to Arnold-and it's just wierd seeing Arnold's name on my wife's Cosmo License!

botched joke? or freudian slip?

Speaking of slips...

From the mouth of George W. Bush:

"Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" —to economic advisers discussing a second round of tax cuts, as quoted by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, Washington, D.C., Nov. 26, 2002

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." —Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

"After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army. And yet, this week — we will have an all-volunteer army!" —Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004

"Do you have blacks, too?" —to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

"I'm the master of low expectations." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

"I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet….I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." —President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

she is a right thinking type of future senator..right bro charles?

just as soon as she pays her back taxes

[Candace 2]

I know there's a serious political debate thing going on in this thread, but this made me chuckle:

Apologies if someone already posted it in the mid pages

[mmmbop1976 1]

I found a link to the entire speach Kerry made here so you can see the entire context in which he made his remarks. It certainly could have been a "botched joke" aimed at Bush- I'll even say probably was, but you can't say it's obvious. Preceding the joke there is one joke generally poking fun of Republicans and one specifically aimed at Bush. After the joke he starts talking about Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein. Love the audiences delayed reaction to the line too. I wonder if they really knew what he meant or they thought the joke was funny as it was said.

By the way Phil Angelides really didn't need this being already way down in the polls to Arnold-and it's just wierd seeing Arnold's name on my wife's Cosmo License!

botched joke? or freudian slip?

Speaking of slips...

From the mouth of George W. Bush:

"Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" —to economic advisers discussing a second round of tax cuts, as quoted by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, Washington, D.C., Nov. 26, 2002

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." —Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

"After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army. And yet, this week — we will have an all-volunteer army!" —Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004

"Do you have blacks, too?" —to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

"I'm the master of low expectations." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

"I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet….I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." —President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004

only 1 or 2 of your examples could possibly qualify as a freudian slip. simply mis-speaking is not a freudian slip. second, and more importantly imo, pres bush was not trying to personally belittle anybody, as was kerry (and in the process giving some propaganda to the terrorists to use). whether kerry mis-spoke or not, why is it necessary to personally belittle someone?

[dani_christine 0]

it's interesting to note...i was just noticing the other day, when a democrat disagrees with something the president says, or a republican policy...they rant and scream and act all indignant...as you see mr. kerry acting in the clip where he said, "i apologize to no one..."

when a republican disagrees with a democrat..you usually hear something along the lines of, "i respectfully disagree with senator kerry..."

at least, that's how it appears to me.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

it's interesting to note...i was just noticing the other day, when a democrat disagrees with something the president says, or a republican policy...they rant and scream and act all indignant...as you see mr. kerry acting in the clip where he said, "i apologize to no one..."

when a republican disagrees with a democrat..you usually hear something along the lines of, "i respectfully disagree with senator kerry..."

at least, that's how it appears to me.

Unfortunately, neither of these is completely accurate.

True that Kerry acts that way--but he is a man stuck on his own untenable story. Some of the dems (such as Frank Pallone) are quite respectful.

And there are several Pub reps/senators (Dan Burton for example) who rant and rave.

[I'm Gone 60]

I found a link to the entire speach Kerry made here so you can see the entire context in which he made his remarks. It certainly could have been a "botched joke" aimed at Bush- I'll even say probably was, but you can't say it's obvious. Preceding the joke there is one joke generally poking fun of Republicans and one specifically aimed at Bush. After the joke he starts talking about Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein. Love the audiences delayed reaction to the line too. I wonder if they really knew what he meant or they thought the joke was funny as it was said.

By the way Phil Angelides really didn't need this being already way down in the polls to Arnold-and it's just wierd seeing Arnold's name on my wife's Cosmo License!

botched joke? or freudian slip?

Speaking of slips...

From the mouth of George W. Bush:

"Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" —to economic advisers discussing a second round of tax cuts, as quoted by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, Washington, D.C., Nov. 26, 2002

Who exactly are the rich?

[almaty 19]

she is a right thinking type of future senator..right bro charles?

just as soon as she pays her back taxes

heym that was her freeload brother's fault...

[PurrSuede 0]

who gives a rat's-@ss what John Kerry said... it's not 2004, it's 2006!!!

All this blathering about Kerry said this, Kerry said that, is just Rovian-styled GOP-spinnage designed to distract us from the truth that the Bush policies are DISMAL failures.

John Kerry isn't running for SH*T, so why the hell are GeeDubya and his henchmen spending all their time blathering about Kerry. WAKE up, GOP and anyone upset about his remarks, it's 2006.

This is just pure and simple more Republican spinnage designed to distract voters from the real issues:

SIX years of FAILURE by the current administration!

-- Dan

[mmmbop1976 1]

who gives a rat's-@ss what John Kerry said... it's not 2004, it's 2006!!!

All this blathering about Kerry said this, Kerry said that, is just Rovian-styled GOP-spinnage designed to distract us from the truth that the Bush policies are DISMAL failures.

John Kerry isn't running for SH*T, so why the hell are GeeDubya and his henchmen spending all their time blathering about Kerry. WAKE up, GOP and anyone upset about his remarks, it's 2006.

This is just pure and simple more Republican spinnage designed to distract voters from the real issues:

SIX years of FAILURE by the current administration!

-- Dan

spinning of what? john kerry said it, nobody else. and he says he was making a joke about the president, trying to imply that pres bush didn't make an effort to be smart, and so is stuck in iraq. so here's john kerry, yale educated liberal elitist trying to belittle the president, but let's look at what this supposedly intelligent man said...addressing a group of students at a college in pasadena...."“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” in this paragraph from the speech, in the 1st sentence, "you" is clearly referring to the students he is addressing. so, by default the "you" in the second sentence also refers to the same people as the "you" in the first sentence. there was nothing in between to stipulate otherwise. perhaps the senator should have made an effort to be smarter when he was in english 101 class. but since he has the attitude of being so smart, i still believe my theory that it is a freudian slip. after all he does have a history of dissing our brave men and women in uniform.

we have a right to remark on it in this political season because he was campaigning for democratic office seekers, he put himself in that position.

as far as your comment about bush policies being dismal failures......

unemployment under 5%, stock market record highs, growing economy, and let's not forget that the economy suffered the attack of 9/11 and katrina.

a freely elected government rules afghanistan where before it was the taliban. when the taliban ruled, music was not allowed, woman had to wear burkas outdoors, women couldn't go to school, etc etc

iraq has a freely elected government that the people have a voice in. are there problems there? sure. but at least now the violence isn't being perpetrated by the government on the people.

and even though you hate him, pres bush spends his day finding ways to keep you safe.

you liberal elitists with your condescending "i'm smarter than you" attitude really p*ss me off. maybe pres bush doesnt do things as you would like them to be done, but his policies are by no means a dismal failure. when we have unemployment over 10%, double digit inflation, terrorists conducting suicide bombings in our streets, dictators running iraq and afghanistan, etc, then you can say his policies are a dismal failure. but for right now, you're way off base.

oh, wait, i know why they are dismal failures...because taxes are too low, we don't have universal health care, socialism doesnt rule the day, and the whole world doesnt love us.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

as far as your comment about bush policies being dismal failures......

Well unemployment statistics are questionable at best- considering that here, as elsewhere "out of work" does not mean you are "unemployed". You're better off looking at people in and around your neighbourhood than take statistics at face value.

the economy suffered the attack of 9/11 and katrina.

Yes it did - and certainly in the case of Katrina there wasn't much in the way of disaster planning, was there? Even if he's not to blame - its certainly reasonable to ask "did he do all that he could?" Hmmm....

a freely elected government rules afghanistan where before it was the taliban. when the taliban ruled, music was not allowed, woman had to wear burkas outdoors, women couldn't go to school, etc etc

There is still a war going on in Afghanistan - not least due to centuries of tribal rivalry and the fact that a massive source of funding for terrorists and insurgent groups are the Afghan opium fields, which according to some estimates form 90% of the world demand. That doesn't seem about to change anytime soon either.

iraq has a freely elected government that the people have a voice in. are there problems there? sure. but at least now the violence isn't being perpetrated by the government on the people.

Iraq does have an elected government - but if you think that any sort of withdrawal is on the cards in the next 5 or 10 years, you're deluding yourself. As with Afghanistan - the feudal nature of the sectarian divisions in Iraq will make a civil war or revolution of some sort inevitable. Depending on who you listen to - Iraq is on the verge of that already. But we don't want to hear that - because the Reps have already blamed the generals for fcuking up the strategic planning - despite the fact that many are on record as being "opposed" to Rumsfeld's tactics. Again that's ok - because Rumsfeld has done a bang-up job, to be sure

and even though you hate him, pres bush spends his day finding ways to keep you safe.

Bush isn't Superman or Captain America. The Hulk would be a better analogy there.

"Iran!? ME NOT LIKE! HULK SMASH!"

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I know there's a serious political debate thing going on in this thread, but this made me chuckle:

Apologies if someone already posted it in the mid pages

That's beautiful.

[Carol&Marc 0]

leme see. fights for country in vietnam. dedicates adult life to civil service in country. that equals hating this country.

if you believe that you have some serious logic problem folks.

Daniel

P.S. Foregets to mention Kerry going to vietnam to testify against his own country! Kerry BOT?

You make it sound like John Kerry is a selfless person dedicated to his country! KERRY BOT?

C&M said:

Daniel Daniel Daniel.....................Can you say THE POWER! Logical? YES!

someone clue me in on this. i haven't the slightest idea what this refers to. erchance a dittohead/bushbot insider thingie?

Daniel

Is it clear now? might help if some remembered their posts!

2+2

what's the big deal about. another politician putting his foot in his mouth. is this something new?

If it's merely putting ones foot in their mouth, why then are dems RUNNING from him like he has the avian flu? now thats what I call brotherhood

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

Bush isn't Superman or Captain America. The Hulk would be a better analogy there.

"Iran!? ME NOT LIKE! HULK SMASH!"

erekose, you and millions of other americans are gonna be quite depressed in about 2 years when bush leaves office, i suggest you beat the rush and schedule your sessions with the shrink now to help combat that future depression