AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

[one...two...tree 2,762]

How many White people here can honestly say they've personally experienced racial discrimination? How many Black people can say they've never experienced discrimination because of the color of their skin?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I understand the principle of institutional racism but I also think that by the time my generation comes to power, it will be gone. I do agree that there can be institutionalized racism against whites in areas where the leadership is primarily none white. Especially as white people are no longer a majority in many communities.

Another thing to consider is the fact that affirmative action and other racial hiring / selection practices often hurt asian minorities.

[Karee 4,191]

How many White people here can honestly say they've personally experienced racial discrimination? How many Black people can say they've never experienced discrimination because of the color of their skin?

I was bussed to an inner city majority black school in Detroit in second grade because I was white. Does that count?

Edited October 29, 2012 by Karee

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I am glad I stay away from this place on evenings and weekends - it means I always have entertaining stuff like this to read on a Monday morning at work.

And why do it on your own time when you can get paid to do it?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

And why do it on your own time when you can get paid to do it?

Exactly. I do much more entertaining things on my own time.

[Karee 4,191]

I was bussed to an inner city majority black school in Detroit in second grade because I was white. Does that count?

Laugh! I guess the bussing didn't work out. There's not one white kid in the whole school I was bussed to.

http://www.localscho...school/41819/MI

Student Enrollment Distribution by Race / Ethnicity

Edited October 29, 2012 by Karee

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I had to do some research before I came in here saying the wrong thing:

1. I would never let someone get drug to death and not do something, for the third time, I was not there. I was posting the link to give context to the topic(before you came in here and made it about guns). But like I said I don't need a gun to act, I just do.

2. Guns don't solve crime, people not committing them helps. In Vermont you had 17 murders in 2008, Texas has very lax gun laws and they had 1,248. Why? Because if you live somewhere that has good business and jobs, people are less likely to committ violence. When was the last time someone shot up a rich neighbohood? What is the threat in Vermont, the maple trees get out of hand sometimes?

3. Yes I would call the police if I saw someone in danger and I couldn't help them, it's their job. It's funny how people get out of pocket when they are carrying a gun, they put themselves in a situation because they know the outcome. You wouldn't have followed that guy if you didn't have a gun, just like someone else who was standing their ground.

So then you never SAW a black man dragged by white men...you READ about it, the same as I did. So how are we different? How does that affect YOU more than it affects ME?

Nice analogy, now give me the business report on Vermont that shows it is better than Texas, please. It is not. Texas has a much better economy than Vermont and a lower percentage of poor people.

Try again with your nonsense. Maybe do a little more research.

Texas has very strict gun laws compared to Vermont that has virtually NONE. Vermont goes by US Federal law regarding guns. It is legal for anyone to carry a concealed handgun here because the state has NO law against it. Absent a law making it illegal...it is legal. Texas on the other hand BANS the carrying of concealed handguns (or exposed handguns) and makes an exemption for people licensed to do so. About 2% of Texans are legally allowed to carry firearms concealed. 100% of the population in Vermont are allowed to do so, including visitors.

Anyone in Vermont can carry a gun, give me an example of ONE Vermonter getting "out of pocket" with a gun legally carried for protection. Please.

Exactly. I do much more entertaining things on my own time.

Much to the dismay of your employer, I would imagine.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I had to do some research before I came in here saying the wrong thing:

1. I would never let someone get drug to death and not do something, for the third time, I was not there. I was posting the link to give context to the topic(before you came in here and made it about guns). But like I said I don't need a gun to act, I just do.

2. Guns don't solve crime, people not committing them helps. In Vermont you had 17 murders in 2008, Texas has very lax gun laws and they had 1,248. Why? Because if you live somewhere that has good business and jobs, people are less likely to committ violence. When was the last time someone shot up a rich neighbohood? What is the threat in Vermont, the maple trees get out of hand sometimes?

3. Yes I would call the police if I saw someone in danger and I couldn't help them, it's their job. It's funny how people get out of pocket when they are carrying a gun, they put themselves in a situation because they know the outcome. You wouldn't have followed that guy if you didn't have a gun, just like someone else who was standing their ground.

Here is some more research for you. Amazing how you chose a year with an unusual number of homicides, who would have guessed. But it is clear why you did not post a link. Why not choose last year with less than half the homicides of 2008? I wonder

Vermont Law Enforcement Agency Uniform Crime Reports 1980 to 2005

Vermont Crime Rates 1960 - 2010

Forcible Aggravated Larceny- Vehicle

Year Population Index Violent Property Murder Rape Robbery assault Burglary Theft Theft

1960 389,881 3,218 37 3,181 1 9 9 18 944 1,898 339

1961 395,000 3,226 79 3,147 6 36 16 21 1,324 1,489 334

1962 390,000 4,001 57 3,944 1 24 18 14 1,461 2,133 350

1963 390,000 4,334 92 4,242 2 33 27 30 1,614 2,167 461

1964 409,000 3,527 89 3,438 2 24 13 50 1,064 1,968 406

1965 397,000 3,892 89 3,803 2 26 18 43 1,286 2,128 389

1966 405,000 4,524 80 4,444 6 28 16 30 1,733 2,238 473

1967 417,000 5,095 86 5,009 13 18 8 47 2,156 2,332 521

1968 422,000 5,117 157 4,960 11 31 26 89 2,093 2,505 362

1969 439,000 6,898 234 6,664 11 40 41 142 2,632 3,536 496

1970 444,732 8,437 329 8,108 6 46 34 243 3,249 4,308 551

1971 458,000 9,528 333 9,195 5 52 45 231 3,325 5,233 637

1972 462,000 10,185 445 9,740 8 50 49 338 3,411 5,802 527

1973 464,000 11,591 327 11,264 10 52 41 224 3,719 6,913 632

1974 470,000 13,511 353 13,158 16 58 65 214 4,791 7,551 816

1975 471,000 16,396 448 15,948 10 69 74 295 5,181 9,948 819

1976 476,000 15,195 563 14,632 26 71 85 381 4,868 8,821 943

1977 483,000 19,146 722 18,424 7 77 149 489 6,512 10,631 1,281

1978 487,000 18,538 810 17,728 16 71 70 653 6,142 10,543 1,043

1979 493,000 26,125 908 25,217 7 113 141 647 7,779 15,776 1,662

1980 511,299 25,506 914 24,592 11 149 199 555 7,806 15,278 1,508

1981 515,000 26,063 659 25,404 22 170 142 325 8,033 15,860 1,511

1982 516,000 24,210 655 23,555 12 180 119 344 6,080 16,160 1,315

1983 525,000 21,697 696 21,001 19 214 146 317 5,724 14,296 981

1984 530,000 21,030 769 20,261 12 105 122 530 5,387 14,054 820

1985 535,000 20,801 790 20,011 18 103 112 557 5,210 13,924 877

1986 541,000 21,515 807 20,708 11 118 120 558 5,135 14,593 980

1987 548,000 23,406 748 22,658 15 123 92 518 6,085 15,485 1,088

1988 556,000 23,577 791 22,786 11 128 89 563 6,098 15,591 1,097

1989 567,000 23,182 753 22,429 11 131 102 509 5,835 15,466 1,128

1990 562,758 24,429 716 23,713 13 146 66 491 6,119 16,424 1,170

1991 567,000 22,426 662 21,764 12 173 67 410 5,784 15,161 819

1992 570,000 19,437 624 18,813 12 142 51 419 4,706 13,507 600

1993 576,000 22,881 658 22,223 21 229 52 356 5,036 16,423 764

1994 580,000 18,852 562 18,290 6 160 71 325 4,274 13,154 862

1995 585,000 20,087 692 19,395 13 165 64 450 4,451 14,150 794

1996 589,000 17,687 714 16,973 11 159 91 453 3,964 12,124 885

1997 589,000 16,658 705 15,953 9 156 79 461 3,611 11,542 800

1998 591,000 18,552 628 17,924 13 163 56 396 3,966 13,084 874

1999 593,740 16,735 676 16,059 17 136 65 458 3,537 11,610 912

2000 608,827 18,185 691 17,494 9 140 117 425 3,501 13,184 800

2001 612,978 16,978 644 16,334 7 107 107 423 3,150 12,426 758

2002 616,408 15,600 658 14,942 13 126 77 442 3,489 10,684 769

2003 619,343 14,510 707 13,803 15 126 62 504 3,017 10,132 654

2004 621,233 15,039 713 14,559 16 160 78 459 3,435 10,537 587

2005 622,387 15,521 782 14,749 8 153 76 545 3,185 10,894 670

2006 623,908 15,131 852 14,379 12 150 110 580 3,300 10,493 586

2007 621,254 15,102 772 14,430 12 123 80 557 3,106 10,683 641

2008 621,049 16,757 854 15,903 17 133 93 611 3,515 11,802 586

2009 621,760 15,847 837 15,010 8 132 111 586 3,471 11,090 449

2010 625,741 15,096 815 14,281 7 132 74 602

Edited October 29, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Much to the dismay of your employer, I would imagine.

Why would my employer care what I do on my own time?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Let's see if this posts better

State Year Population Index Violent Property Murder Forcible Rape Robbery Aggravated assault Burglary Larceny- Theft Vehicle Theft

Vermont 2008 49 44 50 39 38 45 50 49 30 35 50

Vermont 2007 49 47 50 45 45 48 50 49 38 41 48

Vermont 2006 49 48 49 46 42 43 47 48 37 44 50

Vermont 2005 49 48 49 45 51 42 50 48 38 43 49

No not really. I am going to have to fix my ability to post the link as cutting and pasting is not working well, but I will do that Marvin. Unless you would rather do it yourself Marvin and show us the real figures for Vermont. Google "Vermont violent crime". I will be able to post the link later tonight unless you do so first Marvin.

Edited October 29, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Why would my employer care what I do on my own time?

The good news for us is it comes out of your employers pocket and is not cofiscated from my paycheck. Better than posting while on welfare I suppose. Have you anything relevent to the discussion to add?

Edited October 29, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[Penny Lane 8,159]

The good news for us is it comes out of your employers pocket and is not cofiscated from my paycheck. Better than posting while on welfare I suppose. Have you anything relevent to the discussion to add?

What the hell are you talking about?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

What the hell are you talking about?

Shhhh, at least he's not rabbiting on about Alla for a change.

[Ban Hammer 13,567]

The good news for us is it comes out of your employers pocket and is not cofiscated from my paycheck. Better than posting while on welfare I suppose. Have you anything relevent to the discussion to add?

please stay on the thread's topic and quit meandering into left field.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

How many White people here can honestly say they've personally experienced racial discrimination? How many Black people can say they've never experienced discrimination because of the color of their skin?

I have experienced racial discrimination from Black people. Your not in touch if you think it does not go both ways.