Benghazi New troubling evidence

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Now it appears operators where on the ground asking for permission on to help the embassy and where denied permission from the highest levels. They were told no 3 times. DEFSEC Leon Panetta has confirmed this, but explained they just did not have enough info. Are you kidding me. Mortars are landing in your compound SF operators have them in the laser scope and you don't have enough info. The rapid reaction team finally disobeyed orders and went in, that is the only thing that saved a lot of lives.

folks I have been neutral for the most part on this, but this is bad. I had thought the terriost attack verbage was a polotical game, but it now appears we have a complete failure that cost several lives buy the Obama admin, and I hate to say it... It looks like a cover up was attempted

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQBt9HjN

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Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that three urgent requests from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack nearly seven hours later were denied by officials in the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were part of a small team who were at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. Consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When they heard the shots fired, they radioed to inform their higher-ups to tell them what they were hearing. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. An hour later, they called again to headquarters and were again told to "stand down."

Woods, Doherty and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they too were told to stand down. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Specter gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.

According to sources on the ground, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told reporters at the Pentagon on Thursday that there was not a clear enough picture of what was occurring on the ground in Benghazi to send help.

"There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here," Panetta said Thursday. "But the basic principle here ... is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on."

Fox News has learned that there were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the Consulate began. They were already in the vicinity. The second surveillance craft was sent to relieve the first drone, perhaps due to fuel issues. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to US officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers.

Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, were part of a Global Response Staff or GRS that provides security to CIA case officers and provides countersurveillance and surveillance protection. They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the Consulate began -- a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.

A motorcade of dozens of Libyan vehicles, some mounted with 50 caliber machine guns, belonging to the February 17th Brigades, a Libyan militia which is friendly to the US, finally showed up at the CIA annex at approximately 3 a.m. An American Quick Reaction Force sent from Tripoli had arrived at the Benghazi airport at 2 a.m. (four hours after the initial attack on the Consulate) and was delayed for 45 minutes at the airport because they could not at first get transportation, allegedly due to confusion among Libyan militias who were supposed to escort them to the annex, according to Benghazi sources. The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi's fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces.

Fox News has also learned that Stevens was in Benghazi that day to be present at the opening of an English-language school being started by the Libyan farmer who helped save an American pilot who had been shot down by pro-Qaddafi forces during the initial war to overthrow the regime. That farmer saved the life of the American pilot and the Ambassador wanted to be present to launch the Libyan rescuer's new school.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQBt9HjN

[lostinblue 1,989]

But they said "we know nothing" at the Whitehouse.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I bet if it was your son laying in a casket, because someone who had bullets flying at them, help available, and was turned down, you might not be so bored.

[kytwell 179]

I bet if it was your son laying in a casket, because someone who had bullets flying at them, help available, and was turned down, you might not be so bored.

+100

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I bet if it was your son laying in a casket, because someone who had bullets flying at them, help available, and was turned down, you might not be so bored.

I bet if someone was using your sons death for political reasons you would be upset. I don't give this story a lot of credibility.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I bet if someone was using your sons death for political reasons you would be upset. I don't give this story a lot of credibility.

The Sec of Def admitted it was true.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

The Sec of Def admitted it was true.

maybe secdef isn't credible?

[G0ds1ay3r 30]

lmao FOX "News"

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

maybe secdef isn't credible?

If Obama himself came out and admitted people on the ground where dying and asking for support that was ready available, Liberals would swear Fox news had drugged him and had ventriloquist mouth his admission.

[Danno 1,228]

The impulse is to say "DaYUM WHY DIDN'T THEY RUN AND HELP?"

It could very well have been the whole thing was an ambush ...with IED's on the roads and missiles ready to take out any assault team inbound from above. (then what would you be saying?)

Clearly there is a coverup..... if anyone was here for two weeks while the country talked about a video and still can't accept it was a coverup ... no one can help you.

On the other hand because there is an ongoing coverup from the lack of security doesn't mean everything was done improperly.

Anyone who has been in the military knows it is impossible that this exact scenario was not already assumed could happen and a plan of action drawn up.

This should not have been a surprise-situation anywhere in the world.... and least of all where it happened.

What is the protocol for such an event?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The Sec of Def admitted it was true.

And yet was also quite clear the thrust of the OP is Monday Morning quarterbacking. Using partial facts to cobble together a story is Fox (Faux) News' bread and butter. Home run, to mix metaphors, to Fox on this gripping report.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

the CIA wanted to go in and was denied 3 times....

The media should be cycling this in and out. There is no way in HELL Obama would win re-election if this was really put up in full force.

[Pooky 3,784]

The impulse is to say "DaYUM WHY DIDN'T THEY RUN AND HELP?"

It could very well have been the whole thing was an ambush ...with IED's on the roads and missiles ready to take out any assault team inbound from above. (then what would you be saying?)

Clearly there is a coverup..... if anyone was here for two weeks while the country talked about a video and still can't accept it was a coverup ... no one can help you.

On the other hand because there is an ongoing coverup from the lack of security doesn't mean everything was done improperly.

Anyone who has been in the military knows it is impossible that this exact scenario was not already assumed could happen and a plan of action drawn up.

This should not have been a surprise-situation anywhere in the world.... and least of all where it happened.

What is the protocol for such an event?

So, how exactly DO you ambush an AC-130U Specter?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

It's pretty obvious that Obummer supporters care more about the rights of illegals than they do American lives overseas. How pathetic.