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The Nature Boy
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I bet that no matter who wins we still get very little change, very little hope, more taxes and my retirement age goes to 70. Romney will suck but less than Barry

I AM NOT THAT GUY
I AM NOT THAT GUY

Nobody could suck more.

Teddy B
Teddy B

Gary said I could stay at his house, Alla needs a new pool boy.

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The middle class is what makes or breaks the US economy. If the middle class isn't spending money, or has no money to spend, the economy sputters and stalls. Mitt Romney says he will raise taxes across the board on everyone, Obama says he will only raise taxes on the people earning $250K and up. The choice is pretty simple, I think.

I get the whole trickle down affect of raising taxes on the upper class, but I don't think it has nearly as much affect on the economy as raising taxes on the middle class.

Please see: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/underestimating-mitt-romneys-tax-plan/2012/10/23/5fdf114e-1d15-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_story.html

"The Post wrongly suggested that middle-class taxpayers would see their taxes increase, even though the Tax Policy Center itself acknowledges that the benefit of the cuts for the middle class is hidden in its analysis."

 

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I think it is a good example of what you said: 'I think the media misinterprets some CEOs and other CEOs just don't know what the heck they are saying.'

This CEO understands...more taxes on his business (or him - most CEO/owners don't see a difference), mean more businesses close down.

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JohnR!   5,495

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This CEO understands...more taxes on his business (or him - most CEO/owners don't see a difference), mean more businesses close down.

Perhaps because his business model is flawed or he does not know some of the basics.

The CEO fo Honeywell - a really huge internation org - understands that there is no point in investing on a business if you have no customers to buy your product. There is no bigger incentive to invest in a business than the fact that people want and do buy your products.

You need not look further than Apple to realize that their stock did not rise from $ 4.25 to over $600 a share because of their tax breaks. The only reason the company grew is because people wanted to buy their products and as a result they had more money which they used to invest and make better or sexier products.

Money does not generate money on its own. You need products to move in order to get a return on your investment.

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Perhaps because his business model is flawed or he does not know some of the basics.

The CEO fo Honeywell - a really huge internation org - understands that there is no point in investing on a business if you have no customers to buy your product. There is no bigger incentive to invest in a business than the fact that people want and do buy your products.

You need not look further than Apple to realize that their stock did not rise from $ 4.25 to over $600 a share because of their tax breaks. The only reason the company grew is because people wanted to buy their products and as a result they had more money which they used to invest and make better or sexier products.

Money does not generate money on its own. You need products to move in order to get a return on your investment.

All business models are flawed. Yup I agree. But I think we're talking right past each other.

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This CEO understands...more taxes on his business (or him - most CEO/owners don't see a difference), mean more businesses close down.

And these CEOs apparently do not understand economics. WSJ

The CEOs who signed the manifesto deem tax increases inevitable no matter which party succeeds at the polls in November. "There is no possible way; you can do the arithmetic a million different ways" to avoid raising taxes, said Mark Bertolini, CEO of Aetna. "You can't tax your way to fix this problem, and you can't cut entitlements enough to fix this problem."

Evan Greenberg, Chairman, President & CEO ACE Limited

Mark Bertolini, Chairman, CEO & President Aetna, Inc.

John McGlade, Chairman, President & CEO Air Products and Chemicals, Inc.

Nicholas Calio, President & CEO Airlines for America

Klaus Kleinfeld, Chairman, President & CEO, Executive Council Alcoa Inc.

Thomas Wilson, Chairman, President & CEO Allstate Corporation

Leon Black, Chairman & CEO Apollo Global Management, LLC

Randall Stephenson, Chairman & CEO AT&T Inc.

Brian T. Moynihan, President & CEO Bank of America Corporation

Larry D. Fink, Chairman & CEO BlackRock, Inc.

W. James McNerney, Jr., Chairman, President & CEO Boeing Company

Richard Daly, CEO Broadridge Financial Solutions, Inc.

William McCracken, CEO CA Technologies, Inc.

Gary Loveman, Chairman, President & CEO Caesars Entertainment Corp.

Douglas Oberhelman, Chairman & CEO Caterpillar Inc.

John Chambers, Chairman, President & CEO Cisco Systems, Inc.

Donald Gogel, Chairman & CEO Clayton, Dubilier & Rice, LLC

Paul Fribourg, Chairman, President & CEO Continental Grain Company

Kirk Hachigian, Chairman, President & CEO Cooper Industries, plc

Wendell Weeks, Chairman & CEO Corning Inc.

Thomas L. Monahan, III, Chairman & CEO Corporate Executive Board Company

Samuel R. Allen, Chairman & CEO Deere & Company

Robin Lineberger, CEO Deloitte Federal Government Services

Richard Anderson, CEO Delta Air Lines, Inc.

Michael White, Chairman, President & CEO DIRECTV

Andrew Liveris, Chairman, President & CEO Dow Chemical Company

Alexander Cutler, Chairman & CEO Eaton Corp.

Joe Payne, Chairman & CEO Eloqua

George Paz, Chairman, President & CEO Express Scripts, Inc.

Thomas F. Steyer, Founder & Senior Managing Member Farallon Capital Mgmt., LLC

Ken Hicks, CEO Foot Locker, Inc.

Steven A. Denning, Chairman General Atlantic, LLC

Jeffrey Immelt, Chairman & CEO General Electric Company

Mark Walsh, Chairman & CEO GeniusRocket

Lloyd Blankfein, Chairman & CEO Goldman, Sachs & Co.

Frederick C. Maynard, III, Managing Director HarbourVest Partners, LLC

David Cote, Chairman & CEO Honeywell International Inc.

Michael McCallister, Chairman & CEO Humana Inc.

John Ingram, Chairman & CEO Ingram Content Group, Inc.

Linda Stewart, President & CEO Interaction Associates

Martin L. Flanagan, President & CEO Invesco Ltd.

Robert Gasser, President & CEO Investment Technology Group, Inc.

Jamie Dimon, Chairman & CEO JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Thomas M. Joyce, Chairman & CEO Knight Capital Group, Inc.

Andrew Tisch, Co-Chairman of the Board Loews Corp.

James Tisch, President & CEO Loews Corp.

Robert Wilmers, Chairman & CEO M&T Bank

Terry Lundgren, Chairman, President & CEO Macy's, Inc.

Arne M. Sorenson, President & CEO Marriott International, Inc.

Brian Duperreault, President & CEO Marsh & McLennan Companies, Inc.

Kenneth Frazier, Chairman, President & CEO Merck & Co., Inc.

Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft Corp.

Greg Brown, Chairman & CEO Motorola Solutions, Inc.

Robert Greifeld, CEO Nasdaq OMX Group, Inc.

Duncan L. Niederauer, CEO NYSE Euronext

Kathy Wylde, President & CEO Partnership for New York City

Bill Ackman, Founder & CEO Pershing Square Capital Management, L.P.

Walter Rakowich, Co-CEO Prologis, Inc.

Eugene Ludwig, Founder & CEO Promontory Financial Group

Dr. Paul Jacobs, Chairman & CEO Qualcomm Inc.

Thomas J. Quinlan III, President & CEO R. R. Donnelley & Sons Company

W. Russell Ramsey, Chairman, President & CEO Ramsey Asset Management

James Robinson, III, Founding General Partner RRE Investors, LLC

Glenn Hutchins, Co-Founder & Co-CEO Silver Lake Partners

Mel Karmazin, CEO Sirius XM Radio Inc.

Frits van Paasschen, President & CEO Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, Inc.

Edward Rust, Jr., Chairman, President & CEO State Farm Mutual

Brian Rogers, Chairman & Chief Investment Officer T. Rowe Price Group, Inc.

Gregg M. Sherrill, Chairman & CEO Tenneco, Inc.

Scott Donnelly, Chairman, President & CEO Textron Inc.

Craig Duchossois, CEO The Duchossois Group, Inc.

Marc Casper, President & CEO Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc.

Glenn Britt, Chairman & CEO Time Warner Cable Inc.

Jerry Speyer, Chairman & Co-CEO Tishman Speyer

Tom Rogers, CEO & President TiVo, Inc.

D. Scott Davis, Chairman & CEO United Parcel Service, Inc.

Doug Bergeron, CEO VeriFone Systems, Inc.

Lowell McAdam, Chairman & CEO Verizon Communications Inc.

Steven Roth, Chairman Vornado Realty Trust

Gregory Wasson, President & CEO Walgreen Co.

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Daniel Fulton, President & CEO Weyerhaeuser Company

James Frank, President & CEO Wheels, Inc.

Joseph Plumeri, II, Chairman & CEO Willis Group Holdings plc

Paul Stebbins, Executive Chairman World Fuel Services Corporation

I AM NOT THAT GUY Grand Master

I AM NOT THAT GUY   5,715

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:rofl: Did you actually read that before you posted it?

Middle class families are defined by their aspirations more than their income. We assume that

middle class families aspire to home ownership, a car, college education for their children, health

and retirement security and occasional family vacations.

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And these CEOs apparently do not understand economics. WSJ

The CEOs who signed the manifesto deem tax increases inevitable no matter which party succeeds at the polls in November. "There is no possible way; you can do the arithmetic a million different ways" to avoid raising taxes, said Mark Bertolini, CEO of Aetna. "You can't tax your way to fix this problem, and you can't cut entitlements enough to fix this problem."

Evan Greenberg, Chairman, President & CEO ACE Limited

Mark Bertolini, Chairman, CEO & President Aetna, Inc.

John McGlade, Chairman, President & CEO Air Products and Chemicals, Inc.

Nicholas Calio, President & CEO Airlines for America

Klaus Kleinfeld, Chairman, President & CEO, Executive Council Alcoa Inc.

Thomas Wilson, Chairman, President & CEO Allstate Corporation

Leon Black, Chairman & CEO Apollo Global Management, LLC

Randall Stephenson, Chairman & CEO AT&T Inc.

Brian T. Moynihan, President & CEO Bank of America Corporation

Larry D. Fink, Chairman & CEO BlackRock, Inc.

W. James McNerney, Jr., Chairman, President & CEO Boeing Company

Richard Daly, CEO Broadridge Financial Solutions, Inc.

William McCracken, CEO CA Technologies, Inc.

Gary Loveman, Chairman, President & CEO Caesars Entertainment Corp.

Douglas Oberhelman, Chairman & CEO Caterpillar Inc.

John Chambers, Chairman, President & CEO Cisco Systems, Inc.

Donald Gogel, Chairman & CEO Clayton, Dubilier & Rice, LLC

Paul Fribourg, Chairman, President & CEO Continental Grain Company

Kirk Hachigian, Chairman, President & CEO Cooper Industries, plc

Wendell Weeks, Chairman & CEO Corning Inc.

Thomas L. Monahan, III, Chairman & CEO Corporate Executive Board Company

Samuel R. Allen, Chairman & CEO Deere & Company

Robin Lineberger, CEO Deloitte Federal Government Services

Richard Anderson, CEO Delta Air Lines, Inc.

Michael White, Chairman, President & CEO DIRECTV

Andrew Liveris, Chairman, President & CEO Dow Chemical Company

Alexander Cutler, Chairman & CEO Eaton Corp.

Joe Payne, Chairman & CEO Eloqua

George Paz, Chairman, President & CEO Express Scripts, Inc.

Thomas F. Steyer, Founder & Senior Managing Member Farallon Capital Mgmt., LLC

Ken Hicks, CEO Foot Locker, Inc.

Steven A. Denning, Chairman General Atlantic, LLC

Jeffrey Immelt, Chairman & CEO General Electric Company

Mark Walsh, Chairman & CEO GeniusRocket

Lloyd Blankfein, Chairman & CEO Goldman, Sachs & Co.

Frederick C. Maynard, III, Managing Director HarbourVest Partners, LLC

David Cote, Chairman & CEO Honeywell International Inc.

Michael McCallister, Chairman & CEO Humana Inc.

John Ingram, Chairman & CEO Ingram Content Group, Inc.

Linda Stewart, President & CEO Interaction Associates

Martin L. Flanagan, President & CEO Invesco Ltd.

Robert Gasser, President & CEO Investment Technology Group, Inc.

Jamie Dimon, Chairman & CEO JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Thomas M. Joyce, Chairman & CEO Knight Capital Group, Inc.

Andrew Tisch, Co-Chairman of the Board Loews Corp.

James Tisch, President & CEO Loews Corp.

Robert Wilmers, Chairman & CEO M&T Bank

Terry Lundgren, Chairman, President & CEO Macy's, Inc.

Arne M. Sorenson, President & CEO Marriott International, Inc.

Brian Duperreault, President & CEO Marsh & McLennan Companies, Inc.

Kenneth Frazier, Chairman, President & CEO Merck & Co., Inc.

Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft Corp.

Greg Brown, Chairman & CEO Motorola Solutions, Inc.

Robert Greifeld, CEO Nasdaq OMX Group, Inc.

Duncan L. Niederauer, CEO NYSE Euronext

Kathy Wylde, President & CEO Partnership for New York City

Bill Ackman, Founder & CEO Pershing Square Capital Management, L.P.

Walter Rakowich, Co-CEO Prologis, Inc.

Eugene Ludwig, Founder & CEO Promontory Financial Group

Dr. Paul Jacobs, Chairman & CEO Qualcomm Inc.

Thomas J. Quinlan III, President & CEO R. R. Donnelley & Sons Company

W. Russell Ramsey, Chairman, President & CEO Ramsey Asset Management

James Robinson, III, Founding General Partner RRE Investors, LLC

Glenn Hutchins, Co-Founder & Co-CEO Silver Lake Partners

Mel Karmazin, CEO Sirius XM Radio Inc.

Frits van Paasschen, President & CEO Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, Inc.

Edward Rust, Jr., Chairman, President & CEO State Farm Mutual

Brian Rogers, Chairman & Chief Investment Officer T. Rowe Price Group, Inc.

Gregg M. Sherrill, Chairman & CEO Tenneco, Inc.

Scott Donnelly, Chairman, President & CEO Textron Inc.

Craig Duchossois, CEO The Duchossois Group, Inc.

Marc Casper, President & CEO Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc.

Glenn Britt, Chairman & CEO Time Warner Cable Inc.

Jerry Speyer, Chairman & Co-CEO Tishman Speyer

Tom Rogers, CEO & President TiVo, Inc.

D. Scott Davis, Chairman & CEO United Parcel Service, Inc.

Doug Bergeron, CEO VeriFone Systems, Inc.

Lowell McAdam, Chairman & CEO Verizon Communications Inc.

Steven Roth, Chairman Vornado Realty Trust

Gregory Wasson, President & CEO Walgreen Co.

Jack Leslie, Jr., Chairman Weber Shandwick Worldwide

Russell Carson, Co-Founder & Gen. Partner Welsh Carson Anderson & Stowe

Daniel Fulton, President & CEO Weyerhaeuser Company

James Frank, President & CEO Wheels, Inc.

Joseph Plumeri, II, Chairman & CEO Willis Group Holdings plc

Paul Stebbins, Executive Chairman World Fuel Services Corporation

Touche salesman....touche...

If they say it's so...then it must be.

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What do you mean salesman?

It was from Family Guy...

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:blink:

My thoughts exactly.

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"I want to take this opportunity to mention how thankful I am for an Obama re-election. The choice was clear. We cannot live in a country that treats homosexuals and women as second class citizens. Homosexuals deserve all of the rights and benefits of marriage that heterosexuals receive. Women deserve to be treated with respect and their salaries should not depend on their gender, but their quality of work. I am also thankful that the great, progressive state of California once again voted for the correct President. America is moving forward, and the direction is a positive one."

 

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