Court refuses Planned Parenthood appeal of Texas funding cut

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Exactly what i want them to see. A woman's birth control and reproductive choices are her's to make. I full support that. What I can't understand is how the same people that support her right to choose don't support my right to not help fund it. Birth Control is a perfect example. I believe in cheap readily available birth control and education. I think the Catholic church causes a lot of misery in it's opposition to Birth Control. That is my position. The Catholic church does not agree with me, and chooses to not pay for birth control. I am also very supportive of their choice not to. I can't figure out how the libs think choice is ok for women's reproductive rights but not for the Catholic churches beliefs.

It is epidemic from both conservatives and liberals. They holler and scream about Foredoom, but what they really mean is Freedom as long as it agrees with their viewpoint.

Because very few "pro choice" people are pro choice. And few "libs" are "libs". I am a liberal. I support a woman's right to choose to give birth or not. AND I support her right to choose to carry a concealed handgun to protect the children she chooses NOT to abort. THAT's pro choice. The other stance is "pro abortion". I am not pro abortion. I advocate the protection of ALL our rights. AND all our freedoms AND all our responsibilities as FREE people.Even if I do not like that right or freedom. That means Reverand Wright can spout his trash under free speech, and Larry Flynt can publish pornography. If I don't like it, I do not buy the magazine or go to that church. ####### is the problem? So called "libs" only support some rights, just like "Conservatives" who are "pro life" unless you are Gay, then screw you, you get no rights! I support Gay and Lesbian marriage AND their right to carry concealed handguns AND watch gay and lesbian pornography (or even straight porn, I wonder if they do that?). THAT's liberal

The Catholic Church, and all the other churches can kiss my @ss. If you want to follow Catholic directives from a guy with a funny hat, then by all means do so and leave me out of it. Otherwise, buy your own condoms or don't ####. I am pro choice.

Edited October 27, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Because very few "pro choice" people are pro choice. And few "libs" are "libs". I am a liberal. I support a woman's right to choose to give birth or not. AND I support her right to choose to carry a concealed handgun to protect the children she chooses NOT to abort. THAT's pro choice. The other stance is "pro abortion". I am not pro abortion. I advocate the protection of ALL our rights. AND all our freedoms AND all our responsibilities as FREE people.Even if I do not like that right or freedom. That means Reverand Wright can spout his trash under free speech, and Larry Flynt can publish pornography. If I don't like it, I do not buy the magazine or go to that church. ####### is the problem? So called "libs" only support some rights, just like "Conservatives" who are "pro life" unless you are Gay, then screw you, you get no rights! I support Gay and Lesbian marriage AND their right to carry concealed handguns AND watch gay and lesbian pornography (or even straight porn, I wonder if they do that?). THAT's liberal

The Catholic Church, and all the other churches can kiss my @ss. If you want to follow Catholic directives from a guy with a funny hat, then by all means do so and leave me out of it. Otherwise, buy your own condoms or don't ####. I am pro choice.

Well I call myself a conservative but agree exactly with what you just said. I support all rights. You are not the only member of this forum that supports all rights. My favorite saying is " as long as I am not forced to condone it, witness it or fund, I really don't care what you do"

Edited October 27, 2012 by Run Herschel Run

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

No. It is only the woman's right to choose. If she chooses to abort a man's child against his wishes she can. If she keeps it against his wishes he has to support it. Sounds fair!

I would never advocate a woman being forced to have an abortion or being forced to have a baby.. But when a woman does become pregnant she has several choices.. She can have the baby, she can have an abortion, and she can have the baby and choose to walk away from the responsibility. The guy has zero choice at that point.. What about the option of signing a paper before the baby is born abdicating all rights and responsibilities? A woman has that right, why not men?

Before the "deadbeat dad" comments start.. In a previous post I said my wife and I do not have and kids living at home.. I do have a son from a previous marriage whom I raised for large part on my own to adulthood (he lives in the neighborhood next to mine thanks to house prices dropping 50% and an 8000 dollar housing stimulus gift from the government) I would never suggest someone signing such a paper.

Edited October 27, 2012 by OnMyWayID

[akihon 129]

Good enough.. Does the guy get a say before the child is born?

in MY opinion, and I'm sure not many share it, if either one of the parents doesn't want the kid, the kid shouldn't be born.

[scotinmass 588]

I would never advocate a woman being forced to have an abortion or being forced to have a baby.. But when a woman does become pregnant she has several choices.. She can have the baby, she can have an abortion, and she can have the baby and choose to walk away from the responsibility. The guy has zero choice at that point.. What about the option of signing a paper before the baby is born abdicating all rights and responsibilities? A woman has that right, why not men?

Before the "deadbeat dad" comments start.. In a previous post I said my wife and I do not have and kids living at home.. I do have a son from a previous marriage whom I raised for large part on my own to adulthood (he lives in the neighborhood next to mine thanks to house prices dropping 50% and an 8000 dollar housing stimulus gift from the government) I would never suggest someone signing such a paper.

I have a 15 year old son who has severe autism. He is a wonderful loving child despite his disabilities and I wouldn't change him for the world. What upsets me are people who choose to have an abortion when they discover the child might be less than perfect. The whole abortion thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If a woman is raped or her life is in danger then I'd say abortion is justified but to do it as a form of contraception or because the baby isn't perfect seems wrong to me.

I didn't swallow the Democratic Kool aid on that issue.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

in MY opinion, and I'm sure not many share it, if either one of the parents doesn't want the kid, the kid shouldn't be born.

Yeah wow that is harsh..

I read a Larry Niven book many years ago that advocated a possible solution to the Abortion problem.. Basically all drinking water would have a chemical introduced that would make all men sterile... If a couple wanted to get pregnant then they would buy pills to temporarily undo the sterility. No more unwanted babies because birth control was always automatic unless stopped.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Yeah wow that is harsh..

I read a Larry Niven book many years ago that advocated a possible solution to the Abortion problem.. Basically all drinking water would have a chemical introduced that would make all men sterile... If a couple wanted to get pregnant then they would buy pills to temporarily undo the sterility. No more unwanted babies because birth control was always automatic unless stopped.

I could not endorse that because of my libertarian leanings, but in a perfect world that would be awesome. I do think mandatory birth control if you are receiving public assistance is fine.

[scotinmass 588]

I could not endorse that because of my libertarian leanings, but in a perfect world that would be awesome. I do think mandatory birth control if you are receiving public assistance is fine.

The Catholic Church might not like that idea.

[akihon 129]

The Catholic Church might not like that idea.

they'll have to suck it up. A large percentage of Catholics use BC, whoop-de-do

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well I call myself a conservative but agree exactly with what you just said. I support all rights. You are not the only member of this forum that supports all rights. My favorite saying is " as long as I am not forced to condone it, witness it or fund, I really don't care what you do"

You are an LWN like me.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I have a 15 year old son who has severe autism. He is a wonderful loving child despite his disabilities and I wouldn't change him for the world. What upsets me are people who choose to have an abortion when they discover the child might be less than perfect. The whole abortion thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If a woman is raped or her life is in danger then I'd say abortion is justified but to do it as a form of contraception or because the baby isn't perfect seems wrong to me.

I didn't swallow the Democratic Kool aid on that issue.

I don't like abortion, we would not have one. My children and my wife are my life and investment portfolio. But I do not make that choice for others.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

in MY opinion, and I'm sure not many share it, if either one of the parents doesn't want the kid, the kid shouldn't be born.

I am sure not many share it. Who would?

1. It would require a LAW which means it would require government involvement. Once you open the door for government involvement, it never stops.

2. If either parent could demand an abortion, then either parent can demand there NOT be an abortion, or are you saying that a man can demand a woman to HAVE or not have an abortion?

Ridiculous concept on SO many levels. Think of a new one.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Yes, choices like preventative cancer screenings and mammograms. Filthy, slutty choices.

You do understand how government funding of Planned Parenthood works, right?

Yes. I also understand those things mentioned are available at the local county health clinic free of charge or from your family doctor and covered by insurance. There is no need for Planned Parenthood for those things and no need to take MY money to pay for it. Give them 501 C 3 status and let them fundraise.

Better yet, eliminate income tax altogether so they do not need tax exempt status and implement the FAIR TAX. All of the issues you are concerned about can be addressed by REDUCING government involvement

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

A worried woman went to her gynecologist and said:

'Doctor, I have a serious problem and desperately need your help! My baby is not even 1 year old and I'm pregnant again. I don't want kids so close together.'

So the doctor said: 'Ok and what do you want me to do?'

She said: 'I want you to end my pregnancy, and I'm counting on your help with this.'

The doctor thought for a little, and after some silence he said to the lady: 'I think I have a better solution for your problem. It's less dangerous for you too.'

She smiled, thinking that the doctor was going to accept her request.

Then he continued: 'You see, in order for you not to have to take care of 2 babies at the same time, let's kill the one in your arms. This way, you could rest some before the other one is born. If we're going to kill one of them, it doesn't matter which one it is. There would be no risk for your body if you chose the one in your arms.'

The lady was horrified and said: 'No doctor! How terrible! It's a crime to kill a child!'

'I agree', the doctor replied. 'But you seemed to be OK with it, so I thought maybe that was the best solution.'

The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point.

He convinced the mom that there is no difference in killing a child that's already been born and one that's still in the womb. The crime is the same!

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Boo... Didn't work.

Edited October 27, 2012 by OnMyWayID