I have a question about fraud

[sarah and hicham 3]

Well yes, it's appalling, which is why I think she should definitely report him.

Personally, without this latest information, I would have been inclined to question whether or not there was enough in the simple abandonment to demonstrate a preconceived intent to marry. acquire immigration benefit and then disappear, especially after some years of marriage and the alien being well into the conditional permanent residency timeframe.

Knowing that he attempted to feign his own death to his spouse, when if his interest was simply to bring a legal end to the marriage, could have been achieved quite simply by initiating divorce action. So, in my eyes it does change the complexion somewhat, with the facts given. I suppose there could be any number of motivations that would drive an individual to go to such lengths, and not all of them with a specific eye to gain immigration benefit. I don't know what to make of it, but since there are a number of very unothodox events that have occured (forgery, disappearing, and the whole fabricated death situation) perhaps your friend is wise to make a clear, factual accounting of the events, absent emotion, and present it to USCIS and ICE. They surely have seen all sorts of machinations to evade immigration laws, and if this represents that, they'll follow up.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time to give me and my friend very thoughtful advice. We both appreciate it a lot! Thank you!

Sarah

[Aussielad 37]

Well yes, it's appalling, which is why I think she should definitely report him.

Personally, without this latest information, I would have been inclined to question whether or not there was enough in the simple abandonment to demonstrate a preconceived intent to marry. acquire immigration benefit and then disappear, especially after some years of marriage and the alien being well into the conditional permanent residency timeframe.

Knowing that he attempted to feign his own death to his spouse, when if his interest was simply to bring a legal end to the marriage, could have been achieved quite simply by initiating divorce action. So, in my eyes it does change the complexion somewhat, with the facts given. I suppose there could be any number of motivations that would drive an individual to go to such lengths, and not all of them with a specific eye to gain immigration benefit. I don't know what to make of it, but since there are a number of very unothodox events that have occured (forgery, disappearing, and the whole fabricated death situation) perhaps your friend is wise to make a clear, factual accounting of the events, absent emotion, and present it to USCIS and ICE. They surely have seen all sorts of machinations to evade immigration laws, and if this represents that, they'll follow up.

Yeah to a certain point, i myself have seen ICE in action, with my own eyes (in Arkansas), and they are targeting people such as drug trafficking immigrants, legal/illegal. people doing things such as these.

Second of all, she'd need strong evidence of everything, because once a complaint is filed, its basically irreversible, plus every single day, ICE and USCIS has to look at the other side that its not "another USC bitter about their marriage ending" and trying to see the worst happen for their immigrant spouse

My advice, is let it go, (especially if they'd been married 5 years previous and he qualified after 2.9 years) let him naturalize so you dont have to be financially responsible for him anymore.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Ok she found out he wasn't dead because he filed for bankruptcy in another state.

This is getting worse everyday!

[Aussielad 37]

well, just let your friend deal with the problem, worry about number 1 (yourself0 before you worry about number 2 (everyone else) ,

[sarah and hicham 3]

well, just let your friend deal with the problem, worry about number 1 (yourself0 before you worry about number 2 (everyone else) ,

hahaha don't worry I am definitely letting her deal with it.

[rebeccajo 14]

Oh this sounds like something from Springer.......

If he faked his death then they probably didn't divorce, which means they are still married.............?????

Unless she filed for abandonment prior to his 'death'.

Is it possible they are still legally married?

Edited November 2, 2006 by rebeccajo

[sheraz 0]

I have a friend who was married to a foreigner that she met in the US and married several years ago.

He ended up leaving her and pretty much dissapearing all of a sudden.

She discovered that he had hidden his naturalization papers in their house. He had told her that he had not done anything or received anything from INS related to naturalization. She found receipt notices and biometrics appointment letters. She said he stole her BC and forged her name and signature as her name was on fa orm or maybe a receipt notice that he had been sent. She never knew he was naturalizing so it seems that he commited fraud by using her BC and forging her signature.

What should she do? She knows he's in the US but not where exactly and he has not contacted her since he "dissapeared".

She wants to report him to USCIS... who should she contact? I have no idea what happens at the naturalization level so would she contact USCIS or who?

Thanks!!

Sarah

Just another case of a USC girl thinking that she OWNS her immigrant husband. Af first they fall madly in love in a few days, call the guy from overseas and when the marriage goes sour (which can for several reasons ) they often complain of marriage and visa fraud.

How can you believe that husband died and the wife believed just because a friend said so. When he disappered, didnt she file a notice with the police of his disappearance. If she took the word of the friend, didnt complain with the police when he disappeared that probably shows that she was not interested in him either.

If it has been five yrs since they married, the girl should just accept the responsibility. No matter how bad the husband was, it was on the girl to find out if his intentions were true or not. No where does it say that the husband is obligated to stay married to the USC wife forever. Two yrs is the limit. Birth certificate cannot be used for anything. Even to get a movie from blockbuster requires IDs

Your friend should give up the is vendetta against her ex husband. Probably file for divorce and move on with her life.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I have a friend who was married to a foreigner that she met in the US and married several years ago.

He ended up leaving her and pretty much dissapearing all of a sudden.

She discovered that he had hidden his naturalization papers in their house. He had told her that he had not done anything or received anything from INS related to naturalization. She found receipt notices and biometrics appointment letters. She said he stole her BC and forged her name and signature as her name was on fa orm or maybe a receipt notice that he had been sent. She never knew he was naturalizing so it seems that he commited fraud by using her BC and forging her signature.

What should she do? She knows he's in the US but not where exactly and he has not contacted her since he "dissapeared".

She wants to report him to USCIS... who should she contact? I have no idea what happens at the naturalization level so would she contact USCIS or who?

Thanks!!

Sarah

Just another case of a USC girl thinking that she OWNS her immigrant husband. Af first they fall madly in love in a few days, call the guy from overseas and when the marriage goes sour (which can for several reasons ) they often complain of marriage and visa fraud.

How can you believe that husband died and the wife believed just because a friend said so. When he disappered, didnt she file a notice with the police of his disappearance. If she took the word of the friend, didnt complain with the police when he disappeared that probably shows that she was not interested in him either.

If it has been five yrs since they married, the girl should just accept the responsibility. No matter how bad the husband was, it was on the girl to find out if his intentions were true or not. No where does it say that the husband is obligated to stay married to the USC wife forever. Two yrs is the limit. Birth certificate cannot be used for anything. Even to get a movie from blockbuster requires IDs

Your friend should give up the is vendetta against her ex husband. Probably file for divorce and move on with her life.

First of all, she met her husband in the US. He was living and working here.

She does not have a vandetta against her ex husband and I am trying to help her find out if she should do anything since her name is on the naturalization receipt notices. She doesn't want him to bring her down. She has already accepted what he did and has let it go but last week she found his naturalization papers hidden inside his copy of the BIBLE. So wrong.

Anyways, he went back to his home country in February as he did every year (so he said) and she never heard from him again. She then bought plane tickets to go look for him because she was worried something happened. Then one of his friends called her and left a message saying he died in a car accident in his home country. She thought that was sketchy. She went to his home country to try to figure out what happened but had no luck finding anything.

She returned here and later found out that he had filed for bankrupty in a different state and she received notice of this at her house. That is how she knows he is alive and that he just abandoned her.

She is legally divorced.

K thanks!

Oh this sounds like something from Springer.......

If he faked his death then they probably didn't divorce, which means they are still married.............?????

Unless she filed for abandonment prior to his 'death'.

Is it possible they are still legally married?

I know, I'm waiting for her to get some movie offers or something about it.

[sheraz 0]

I have a friend who was married to a foreigner that she met in the US and married several years ago.

He ended up leaving her and pretty much dissapearing all of a sudden.

She discovered that he had hidden his naturalization papers in their house. He had told her that he had not done anything or received anything from INS related to naturalization. She found receipt notices and biometrics appointment letters. She said he stole her BC and forged her name and signature as her name was on fa orm or maybe a receipt notice that he had been sent. She never knew he was naturalizing so it seems that he commited fraud by using her BC and forging her signature.

What should she do? She knows he's in the US but not where exactly and he has not contacted her since he "dissapeared".

She wants to report him to USCIS... who should she contact? I have no idea what happens at the naturalization level so would she contact USCIS or who?

Thanks!!

Sarah

Just another case of a USC girl thinking that she OWNS her immigrant husband. Af first they fall madly in love in a few days, call the guy from overseas and when the marriage goes sour (which can for several reasons ) they often complain of marriage and visa fraud.

How can you believe that husband died and the wife believed just because a friend said so. When he disappered, didnt she file a notice with the police of his disappearance. If she took the word of the friend, didnt complain with the police when he disappeared that probably shows that she was not interested in him either.

If it has been five yrs since they married, the girl should just accept the responsibility. No matter how bad the husband was, it was on the girl to find out if his intentions were true or not. No where does it say that the husband is obligated to stay married to the USC wife forever. Two yrs is the limit. Birth certificate cannot be used for anything. Even to get a movie from blockbuster requires IDs

Your friend should give up the is vendetta against her ex husband. Probably file for divorce and move on with her life.

First of all, she met her husband in the US. He was living and working here.

She does not have a vandetta against her ex husband and I am trying to help her find out if she should do anything since her name is on the naturalization receipt notices. She doesn't want him to bring her down. She has already accepted what he did and has let it go but last week she found his naturalization papers hidden inside his copy of the BIBLE. So wrong.

Anyways, he went back to his home country in February as he did every year (so he said) and she never heard from him again. She then bought plane tickets to go look for him because she was worried something happened. Then one of his friends called her and left a message saying he died in a car accident in his home country. She thought that was sketchy. She went to his home country to try to figure out what happened but had no luck finding anything.

She returned here and later found out that he had filed for bankrupty in a different state and she received notice of this at her house. That is how she knows he is alive and that he just abandoned her.

She is legally divorced.

K thanks!

Oh this sounds like something from Springer.......

If he faked his death then they probably didn't divorce, which means they are still married.............?????

Unless she filed for abandonment prior to his 'death'.

Is it possible they are still legally married?

I know, I'm waiting for her to get some movie offers or something about it.

Well if she is divorced, then she will not get in any trouble. Ex wife, marriage dates all have to be listen on naturalization application.

Atleast the story is become clear.

[Boiler 46,232]

Short Version.

His current issues are nonthing to do with her, time to move on with her life.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Short Version.

His current issues are nonthing to do with her, time to move on with her life.

Not necessarily. If he filed for bankruptcy, it's conceivable that she may indeed be implicated. What is nort dischargeable through the bankruptcy proceedings could be attributed to her, if the bankruptcy occured while they were married. IRS is a good example, especially is they filed jointly as married. Worth a call to a lawyer to make sure she is in any way responsible for any of his debt.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Short Version.

His current issues are nonthing to do with her, time to move on with her life.

Not necessarily. If he filed for bankruptcy, it's conceivable that she may indeed be implicated. What is nort dischargeable through the bankruptcy proceedings could be attributed to her, if the bankruptcy occured while they were married. IRS is a good example, especially is they filed jointly as married. Worth a call to a lawyer to make sure she is in any way responsible for any of his debt.

Thank you! Again!