I have a question about fraud

[sarah and hicham 3]

I have a friend who was married to a foreigner that she met in the US and married several years ago.

He ended up leaving her and pretty much dissapearing all of a sudden.

She discovered that he had hidden his naturalization papers in their house. He had told her that he had not done anything or received anything from INS related to naturalization. She found receipt notices and biometrics appointment letters. She said he stole her BC and forged her name and signature as her name was on fa orm or maybe a receipt notice that he had been sent. She never knew he was naturalizing so it seems that he commited fraud by using her BC and forging her signature.

What should she do? She knows he's in the US but not where exactly and he has not contacted her since he "dissapeared".

She wants to report him to USCIS... who should she contact? I have no idea what happens at the naturalization level so would she contact USCIS or who?

Thanks!!

Sarah

[drpepper1109 0]

I have a friend who was married to a foreigner that she met in the US and married several years ago.

He ended up leaving her and pretty much dissapearing all of a sudden.

She discovered that he had hidden his naturalization papers in their house. He had told her that he had not done anything or received anything from INS related to naturalization. She found receipt notices and biometrics appointment letters. She said he stole her BC and forged her name and signature as her name was on fa orm or maybe a receipt notice that he had been sent. She never knew he was naturalizing so it seems that he commited fraud by using her BC and forging her signature.

What should she do? She knows he's in the US but not where exactly and he has not contacted her since he "dissapeared".

She wants to report him to USCIS... who should she contact? I have no idea what happens at the naturalization level so would she contact USCIS or who?

Thanks!!

Sarah

She should report him for fraud, but I would get her to seek legal advice from an attorney rather than anyone else's word on it.

I would assume, if your friend married this guy "several years ago", he's probably on his 10 year GC by now?

Or she could just leave it be and let Karma/kama (whatever!) do it's work!

[zyggy 9]

At this point.. it's just better to leave it be... it's actually better if he does get his Citizenship at this point in time because it will get her off the hook for her Support requirements.

I would talk to an attorney and get divorce proceedings moving... but the immigration aspect is his problem.. not hers...

[Yodrak 7]

Sarah,

I suppose that she could notify her local USCIS District or Sub office, or the Service Center that processed his N-400.

The more appropriate entity to contact might be USICE. "To report any suspicious activity please call 1-866-347-2423. Emailed reports of suspicious activity or "tips" are not accepted at this time." But I suspect that ICE is way too busy with more significant issues than a random individual.

Yodrak

I have a friend who was married to a foreigner that she met in the US and married several years ago.

He ended up leaving her and pretty much dissapearing all of a sudden.

She discovered that he had hidden his naturalization papers in their house. He had told her that he had not done anything or received anything from INS related to naturalization. She found receipt notices and biometrics appointment letters. She said he stole her BC and forged her name and signature as her name was on fa orm or maybe a receipt notice that he had been sent. She never knew he was naturalizing so it seems that he commited fraud by using her BC and forging her signature.

What should she do? She knows he's in the US but not where exactly and he has not contacted her since he "dissapeared".

She wants to report him to USCIS... who should she contact? I have no idea what happens at the naturalization level so would she contact USCIS or who?

Thanks!!

Sarah

[sarah and hicham 3]

At this point.. it's just better to leave it be... it's actually better if he does get his Citizenship at this point in time because it will get her off the hook for her Support requirements.

I would talk to an attorney and get divorce proceedings moving... but the immigration aspect is his problem.. not hers...

I believe they are divorced legally as he abandoned her. I don't know if she has any idea where he is in immigration at this point.

So you think she should just leave it? He stole her birth certificate and forged her name and signature on application... I guess I would want to report him at least.

Karma can come back and get you though too.

Thanks for your help!

Sarah

Thanks Yodrak, you're probably that they might not be too concerned about a specific individual. I gues sit's up to her to decide what she wants to do with it.

Sarah,

I suppose that she could notify her local USCIS District or Sub office, or the Service Center that processed his N-400.

The more appropriate entity to contact might be USICE. "To report any suspicious activity please call 1-866-347-2423. Emailed reports of suspicious activity or "tips" are not accepted at this time." But I suspect that ICE is way too busy with more significant issues than a random individual.

Yodrak

I have a friend who was married to a foreigner that she met in the US and married several years ago.

He ended up leaving her and pretty much dissapearing all of a sudden.

She discovered that he had hidden his naturalization papers in their house. He had told her that he had not done anything or received anything from INS related to naturalization. She found receipt notices and biometrics appointment letters. She said he stole her BC and forged her name and signature as her name was on fa orm or maybe a receipt notice that he had been sent. She never knew he was naturalizing so it seems that he commited fraud by using her BC and forging her signature.

What should she do? She knows he's in the US but not where exactly and he has not contacted her since he "dissapeared".

She wants to report him to USCIS... who should she contact? I have no idea what happens at the naturalization level so would she contact USCIS or who?

Thanks!!

Sarah

[John & Annie 0]

I would at least report the incident, that way there can be no questions about conspiracy. Regauless if they do anyhting or not.

You have done what you can and leave the rest to the Government

[sarah and hicham 3]

I would at least report the incident, that way there can be no questions about conspiracy. Regauless if they do anyhting or not.

You have done what you can and leave the rest to the Government

I agree, she should at least report it.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

At this point.. it's just better to leave it be... it's actually better if he does get his Citizenship at this point in time because it will get her off the hook for her Support requirements.

I would talk to an attorney and get divorce proceedings moving... but the immigration aspect is his problem.. not hers...

I believe they are divorced legally as he abandoned her. I don't know if she has any idea where he is in immigration at this point.

So you think she should just leave it? He stole her birth certificate and forged her name and signature on application... I guess I would want to report him at least.

Karma can come back and get you though too.

Thanks for your help!

Sarah

Thanks Yodrak, you're probably that they might not be too concerned about a specific individual. I gues sit's up to her to decide what she wants to do with it.

Sarah,

I suppose that she could notify her local USCIS District or Sub office, or the Service Center that processed his N-400.

The more appropriate entity to contact might be USICE. "To report any suspicious activity please call 1-866-347-2423. Emailed reports of suspicious activity or "tips" are not accepted at this time." But I suspect that ICE is way too busy with more significant issues than a random individual.

Yodrak

I have a friend who was married to a foreigner that she met in the US and married several years ago.

He ended up leaving her and pretty much dissapearing all of a sudden.

She discovered that he had hidden his naturalization papers in their house. He had told her that he had not done anything or received anything from INS related to naturalization. She found receipt notices and biometrics appointment letters. She said he stole her BC and forged her name and signature as her name was on fa orm or maybe a receipt notice that he had been sent. She never knew he was naturalizing so it seems that he commited fraud by using her BC and forging her signature.

What should she do? She knows he's in the US but not where exactly and he has not contacted her since he "dissapeared".

She wants to report him to USCIS... who should she contact? I have no idea what happens at the naturalization level so would she contact USCIS or who?

Thanks!!

Sarah

As to the forgery, was it that they were already divorced at the time he forged her name on the application, because that would mean that he acquired citizenship through misrepresentation, and the act itself is a violation of law? As to the marriage ending prematurely, then what evidence does she have that his intent at the point of marriage was to simply get residency?

BUT, unless she has proof, I have little doubt that it will go far. I am inclined to agree with zyggy. She is no longer obligated upon naturalisation and that is an important issue.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I think the receipt notices were dated end of last year and he up and left in February of this year.

He doesn't know she knows where he is. He abandoned their marriage which is how they divorced.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

I think the receipt notices were dated end of last year and he up and left in February of this year.

He doesn't know she knows where he is. He abandoned their marriage which is how they divorced.

Something doesn't compute for me. Perhaps I missed some detail. In order to meet the eligibility requirement for naturalisation, he had to have been in a viable (?) marriage for at least 2 years and 9 months. And abandonment as a grounds for divorce, I believe is one year, perhaps it could vary from state to state. Which means that shortly after receiving her signature, he disappeared, stayed AWOL for at least one year, prior to the divorce being possible. What am I missing?

I agree that forging her signature is not only wrong, but illegal, but once again, this buffoon is now out of her hair, and he'd qualify for naturalisation in another two years, regardless. As I see it, there's not sufficent evidence (at least not shared) for a finding of fraudulent intent.

[Yodrak 7]

diadromous mermaid,

I expect that her obligation under I-864 is nothing to be concerned about. I suspect that if he does anything that causes her to be called on to fulfill the obligation he will have opened a can of worms that he will quickly come to regret when the forged documents are presented.

Yodrak

.... She is no longer obligated upon naturalisation and that is an important issue.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I think the receipt notices were dated end of last year and he up and left in February of this year.

He doesn't know she knows where he is. He abandoned their marriage which is how they divorced.

Something doesn't compute for me. Perhaps I missed some detail. In order to meet the eligibility requirement for naturalisation, he had to have been in a viable (?) marriage for at least 2 years and 9 months. And abandonment as a grounds for divorce, I believe is one year, perhaps it could vary from state to state. Which means that shortly after receiving her signature, he disappeared, stayed AWOL for at least one year, prior to the divorce being possible. What am I missing?

I agree that forging her signature is not only wrong, but illegal, but once again, this buffoon is now out of her hair, and he'd qualify for naturalisation in another two years, regardless. As I see it, there's not sufficent evidence (at least not shared) for a finding of fraudulent intent.

I think what happened is that he left, then had a friend call and tell her he died. They were married I believe for more than 5 years. Does that change something? They must have been divorced due to his "death" rather than abandonment which is what it really ended up being. She found out later he was not dead.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

I think the receipt notices were dated end of last year and he up and left in February of this year.

He doesn't know she knows where he is. He abandoned their marriage which is how they divorced.

Something doesn't compute for me. Perhaps I missed some detail. In order to meet the eligibility requirement for naturalisation, he had to have been in a viable (?) marriage for at least 2 years and 9 months. And abandonment as a grounds for divorce, I believe is one year, perhaps it could vary from state to state. Which means that shortly after receiving her signature, he disappeared, stayed AWOL for at least one year, prior to the divorce being possible. What am I missing?

I agree that forging her signature is not only wrong, but illegal, but once again, this buffoon is now out of her hair, and he'd qualify for naturalisation in another two years, regardless. As I see it, there's not sufficent evidence (at least not shared) for a finding of fraudulent intent.

I think what happened is that he left, then had a friend call and tell her he died. They were married I believe for more than 5 years. Does that change something?

Does it change something? Indeed, it's appalling! To feign one's death, and to what end? As far as immigration goes, I can't say, but it certainly makes me wonder more about his motivation, yes.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Well yes, it's appalling, which is why I think she should definitely report him.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Well yes, it's appalling, which is why I think she should definitely report him.

Personally, without this latest information, I would have been inclined to question whether or not there was enough in the simple abandonment to demonstrate a preconceived intent to marry. acquire immigration benefit and then disappear, especially after some years of marriage and the alien being well into the conditional permanent residency timeframe.

Knowing that he attempted to feign his own death to his spouse, when if his interest was simply to bring a legal end to the marriage, could have been achieved quite simply by initiating divorce action. So, in my eyes it does change the complexion somewhat, with the facts given. I suppose there could be any number of motivations that would drive an individual to go to such lengths, and not all of them with a specific eye to gain immigration benefit. I don't know what to make of it, but since there are a number of very unothodox events that have occured (forgery, disappearing, and the whole fabricated death situation) perhaps your friend is wise to make a clear, factual accounting of the events, absent emotion, and present it to USCIS and ICE. They surely have seen all sorts of machinations to evade immigration laws, and if this represents that, they'll follow up.