Will there be riots if Obama loses?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Sorry Dude if you replace Bush's name in the above you will find ...nearly everything you listed (and more) has happened before... with no one speculating race was the motivator. (more like run of the mill politics.)

Forgive my dismissal of the political racism but where was the outrage when Palin was hung in effigy? No one called that anything other than what it was.... but hang an empty chair and by-golly the Klan must be at work.

IMO Obama has had it easier in many ways, he is slightly insulated with a blanket of protection because any given word used in the criticism might somehow have a racist related context. (what derogative doesn't?)

Why are you not concerned about the stereotype of the "rich greedy white guy" as much as a Black stereotype?

In many ways you seem reasonable so I would hope you would be a little more comparative in your analyzing of the treatment of different presidents.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

I'm glad we can discuss this matter like adults, makes it easier to explain point rather than yelling and name calling.

I'll start with the first paragraph, you're saying these things happen to Bush? I left death threats off of this list because that's part of the job, all Presidents get it so no point in trying to squeeze that one in. Now I've been overseas since 2002, so maybe I missed it, but I can't recall when he was asked about his birth certificate AFTER he took the office. I never heard of Donald Trump or any other celebrity hiring PI's to go to Texas and verify his birthplace. I never heard of a "birther movement" or "tea party" forming, I say this because we have had a Dem or Repub in the white house since the beginning. Did Obama go through a different screening process? How did this get overlooked? If his citizenship wasn't called into question when the SS, FBI, and other organizations did their checks, why would a TV Mougul go above and beyond and try to find something different? What did Obama do that was so radically different? Taxes? You can go back to GWB senior for that one and no one formed a Tea Party. When did Bush have a town hall meeting and someone screamed out YOU LIE! And what's worse, this was a congressman, not some regular joe, that's the scary part. I did some checking, if you can find it please post it, but when it comes to interrupting the President, I couldn't find anything on all the other presidents, but I found it TWICE on Obama. If these were run of the mill politics, why hasn't it been heard of before? Senator Mccain was born in Panama, and no one even questioned it to the degree that Obama had to go through. Bush was thought of as being a little slow, but no one asked him to show his college transcripts from Yale.

Second sentence: It's the context, you know the whole burning/lynching thing? We kind of have claim to that, since it was Palin, you know it wasn't because the color of her skin. I think it's wrong either way but this is America, freedom of expression goes both ways. I am appalled by the action.

Third sentence: I agree to a certain point, you can easily talk about someone without throwing race in it. I do it everyday in my office, we have all types in here. I see them, not the skin color. Obama is not above criticism, but listen to it, there is such an edge to it, we've had some charaters in the White House, and even with all the shenagians going on we'd smack someone if they were to talk about the President in a negative light. But Obama? Fox news used to be very vocal that it was un-american to talk bad about the president during war time when Bush was in office. The second he left and Obama came in, he has been a target ever since. Every thing he has done/not done/or try to do has been scrutinized or outright disavowed. Every first lady has had a cause that the American People have gotten behind, this first lady tried to fight obesity, and has been dogged for it. Matter of fact, when was the last time a first lady did a function and was booed? I know Michelle has(NASCAR) but I don't recall hearing about it from any one else.

Ok last thing, the reason why I can't combat the greedy white person stereotype? Because it doesn't affect your race as a whole. Every single place I have lived or visited(Germany for 3 years, Sicily for 3, Belgium for 3, and Japan for 3. Visited Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, Russia, Vietnam, Palau, New Caldonia, Indonesia, Thailand) the white people on my ship never encountered problems. In our berthing, you'd always hear about the one or two black people that the cab wouldn't stop for but went 10 feet ahead and picked up 5 rowdy white people. I know this to be true, I had the hardest time catching a cab in HK. Sometimes we'd send a white guy in the front as a decoy so we could all get in the cab, 50/50 it would work. The only stereotype that comes after you is you have money. That's as bad as it gets, even the "ugly american" isn't bad because they want your money so they will deal with anything you say or do in their country. You will never walk into an elevator and see a woman clutch her purse in fear, when you are pulled over, do you get that chill in your spine, like someone is going to shoot you for reaching for your registration, when you go to a club, you won't be turned away because you don't have the "special pass" needed to get in, when you go to eat, no one is going to ignore you for 30 minutes and then ask you to leave because they don't speak english, but the 4 white people behind you are speaking english and getting served(TGIF, Pusan Korea), if you get on a plane and started talking pig latin, you'd cause less ruckus than two Imans going to a Islam convention talking in their native language(they were removed from the plane and had to catch another flight)

Now I believe that any time of racism is bad, reverse or other wise. Here is the difference, if you look at all the mass murderers, big school shootings, truly heinous crimes, what race is on top? I know that there are more whites here than any other group so I can't be unfair and group all of the white people in the world as horrible human beings, but I find it weird that when a white person commits a brutal crime(James Holmes anyone?) the perception of white people doesn't change. No churches were attacked, nobody went around beating up white people. When there is anything that involves a minority(9/11) it shifts the entire race, mosques were destroyed, if you looked ethnic you got the cops called on you, I know this because I was stationed in DC when it happened and saw it first hand. Islam will always have 9/11 associated with it. If 9/11 were commited by White Americans, they would have punished them and moved on. Search and Frisk doens't apply to your race, but every black and brown person in NYC gets it every day.

I hope this sheds some light into my thinking.

Edited October 18, 2012 by Su and Marvin

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Now I believe that any time of racism is bad, reverse or other wise. Here is the difference, if you look at all the mass murderers, big school shootings, truly heinous crimes, what race is on top? I know that there are more whites here than any other group so I can't be unfair and group all of the white people in the world as horrible human beings, but I find it weird that when a white person commits a brutal crime(James Holmes anyone?) the perception of white people doesn't change. No churches were attacked, nobody went around beating up white people. When there is anything that involves a minority(9/11) it shifts the entire race, mosques were destroyed, if you looked ethnic you got the cops called on you, I know this because I was stationed in DC when it happened and saw it first hand. Islam will always have 9/11 associated with it. If 9/11 were commited by White Americans, they would have punished them and moved on. Search and Frisk doens't apply to your race, but every black and brown person in NYC gets it every day.

It seems that in this country, if a white man commits a horrific crime, the first response is to question his mental sanity. You'll hear "experts" attempt to diagnose them almost immediately.

If a black person commits a horrific crime, it's simply how they were raised and what environment they were living in.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Dude! He answered like a man, and now you want slam him back down again. I think he just proved his case, that there still are some folks out there, that will not get past the black thing.

Thanks Patriot, I am just pointing out things I see and deal with everyday.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

It seems that in this country, if a white man commits a horrific crime, the first response is to question his mental sanity. You'll hear "experts" attempt to diagnose them almost immediately.

If a black person commits a horrific crime, it's simply how they were raised and what environment they were living in.

Pretty much, this is why I am careful in my everyday life. My wife lived here before when she was 12, her father was in college in New Hampshire for his degree. So she didn't have to deal with it like we do. She said being asian here wasn't bad at all, so now it's all a culture shock for her when we are together and people give us the look or ignore us when we walk into a department store.

[Ban Hammer 13,567]

It seems that in this country, if a white man commits a horrific crime, the first response is to question his mental sanity.

no, the first step is to assume he's a republican.

[Danno 1,228]

I'm glad we can discuss this matter like adults, makes it easier to explain point rather than yelling and name calling.

I'll start with the first paragraph, you're saying these things happen to Bush? I left death threats off of this list because that's part of the job, all Presidents get it so no point in trying to squeeze that one in. Now I've been overseas since 2002, so maybe I missed it, but I can't recall when he was asked about his birth certificate AFTER he took the office. I never heard of Donald Trump or any other celebrity hiring PI's to go to Texas and verify his birthplace. I never heard of a "birther movement" or "tea party" forming, I say this because we have had a Dem or Repub in the white house since the beginning. Did Obama go through a different screening process? How did this get overlooked? If his citizenship wasn't called into question when the SS, FBI, and other organizations did their checks, why would a TV Mougul go above and beyond and try to find something different? What did Obama do that was so radically different? Taxes? You can go back to GWB senior for that one and no one formed a Tea Party. When did Bush have a town hall meeting and someone screamed out YOU LIE! And what's worse, this was a congressman, not some regular joe, that's the scary part. I did some checking, if you can find it please post it, but when it comes to interrupting the President, I couldn't find anything on all the other presidents, but I found it TWICE on Obama. If these were run of the mill politics, why hasn't it been heard of before? Senator Mccain was born in Panama, and no one even questioned it to the degree that Obama had to go through. Bush was thought of as being a little slow, but no one asked him to show his college transcripts from Yale.

Second sentence: It's the context, you know the whole burning/lynching thing? We kind of have claim to that, since it was Palin, you know it wasn't because the color of her skin. I think it's wrong either way but this is America, freedom of expression goes both ways. I am appalled by the action.

Third sentence: I agree to a certain point, you can easily talk about someone without throwing race in it. I do it everyday in my office, we have all types in here. I see them, not the skin color. Obama is not above criticism, but listen to it, there is such an edge to it, we've had some charaters in the White House, and even with all the shenagians going on we'd smack someone if they were to talk about the President in a negative light. But Obama? Fox news used to be very vocal that it was un-american to talk bad about the president during war time when Bush was in office. The second he left and Obama came in, he has been a target ever since. Every thing he has done/not done/or try to do has been scrutinized or outright disavowed. Every first lady has had a cause that the American People have gotten behind, this first lady tried to fight obesity, and has been dogged for it. Matter of fact, when was the last time a first lady did a function and was booed? I know Michelle has(NASCAR) but I don't recall hearing about it from any one else.

Ok last thing, the reason why I can't combat the greedy white person stereotype? Because it doesn't affect your race as a whole. Every single place I have lived or visited(Germany for 3 years, Sicily for 3, Belgium for 3, and Japan for 3. Visited Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, Russia, Vietnam, Palau, New Caldonia, Indonesia, Thailand) the white people on my ship never encountered problems. In our berthing, you'd always hear about the one or two black people that the cab wouldn't stop for but went 10 feet ahead and picked up 5 rowdy white people. I know this to be true, I had the hardest time catching a cab in HK. Sometimes we'd send a white guy in the front as a decoy so we could all get in the cab, 50/50 it would work. The only stereotype that comes after you is you have money. That's as bad as it gets, even the "ugly american" isn't bad because they want your money so they will deal with anything you say or do in their country. You will never walk into an elevator and see a woman clutch her purse in fear, when you are pulled over, do you get that chill in your spine, like someone is going to shoot you for reaching for your registration, when you go to a club, you won't be turned away because you don't have the "special pass" needed to get in, when you go to eat, no one is going to ignore you for 30 minutes and then ask you to leave because they don't speak english, but the 4 white people behind you are speaking english and getting served(TGIF, Pusan Korea), if you get on a plane and started talking pig latin, you'd cause less ruckus than two Imans going to a Islam convention talking in their native language(they were removed from the plane and had to catch another flight)

Now I believe that any time of racism is bad, reverse or other wise. Here is the difference, if you look at all the mass murderers, big school shootings, truly heinous crimes, what race is on top? I know that there are more whites here than any other group so I can't be unfair and group all of the white people in the world as horrible human beings, but I find it weird that when a white person commits a brutal crime(James Holmes anyone?) the perception of white people doesn't change. No churches were attacked, nobody went around beating up white people. When there is anything that involves a minority(9/11) it shifts the entire race, mosques were destroyed, if you looked ethnic you got the cops called on you, I know this because I was stationed in DC when it happened and saw it first hand. Islam will always have 9/11 associated with it. If 9/11 were commited by White Americans, they would have punished them and moved on. Search and Frisk doens't apply to your race, but every black and brown person in NYC gets it every day.

I hope this sheds some light into my thinking.

Forgive me but I don't have the time to give greater detail but let me hit a few points.

-Obama's Birth circumstance was pretty unique. So comparison is hard to make, should I take offense that Obamas ties to big oil were not questioned as bush had been... No because it does not apply.

We do know Barack mom quickly married a Foreign nation here on a visa, who as it turns out was reportedly already married, a man who had extensive ties to Communists and similar philosophy and we know Obama did very little to answer the question as it played into his interest... up until a point. NAME For the me in recent memory, which presidents had such unusual birth circumstances? How many other presidents can we see photos of their mother in nude photography?

HOWEVER... John McCain (who you mentioned) did in fact have to go through some Congressional inquiry to see if he was eligible to run. So I think you are off on that account too.

-I recall Bush having more than "You lie" hurled at him but rather a shoe at a speaking engagement, go back to the posts right here and see what everyones opinion was of that.

IF I had the time I could pull up utube clips of accusations made against Bush that "he Lied us into this war".... not only by professional journalists but by Al Gore and others.

Wonder if Obama endured this level of national humiliation.

- Actually you don't have a lock on Lynchings... one third of the people lynched in this country where white..... we just never hear about that (wonder why)

-Your experience with racial bias over seas is irrelevant to why you excuse why you take offense to some stereo typing but not others.... (Romney the greedy white guy)

-Many serial killers are black, you are operating on another stereo type. Google "Black serial killers" and get your fill, no doubt Youtube has vids if you are interested as well.

- Michelle Obama has been treated with Kid-gloves. Hillary Clinton and Nancy Reagan had much greater haters than Michelle.

How bout the way the Bush twins were hounded, my friend you are seeing what you want to see.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

-Many serial killers are black, you are operating on another stereo type. Google "Black serial killers" and get your fill, no doubt Youtube has vids if you are interested as well.

They exist, of course. But you're fooling yourself if you don't believe most serial killers (in this country at least) are white men.

[Danno 1,228]

They exist, of course. But you're fooling yourself if you don't believe most serial killers (in this country at least) are white men.

News flash: Blacks are like 13% of the population, whites are like 73 percent.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

News flash: Blacks are like 13% of the population, whites are like 73 percent.

News flash: despite this disparity in numbers, black people tend to commit more crimes, no? They certainly take up more room in prisons. So you would think the two would go hand in hand, and yet they don't. White serial killers are still far more common.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

News flash: despite this disparity in numbers, black people tend to commit more crimes, no? They certainly take up more room in prisons. So you would think the two would go hand in hand, and yet they don't. White serial killers are still far more common.

Mexicans and other Latinos make up 41% of the California prison population. Blacks are 29%. Women are 5%.

Non-whites and Latinos are 55% of California's population, but 76% of the prison population.

The foreign-born are less likely to be incarcerated in state prisons than the native-born. The foreign-born make up 36% of the state’s adult population and 16% of the prison population. The incarceration rate is much lower for foreign-born adults (258 per 100,000) than for U.S.-born adults (815 per 100,000).

Though the violent crime rate is down, a majority of prisoners (63%) are serving time for violent crimes.

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=702

On the last point, think gang related crime, still the likeliest path to prison.

Inland and poorer areas of the state are disproportionately represented in the prison system. The Far North, San Joaquin Valley, and Inland Empire regions of the state have the highest incarceration rates: 792, 785, and 762 per 100,000 residents, respectively. Rates are much lower for wealthier coastal regions: 336 for the Bay Area and 389 for the South Coast (Orange and Ventura Counties).

It does depend where you live.

Edited October 18, 2012 by The Patriot

[Danno 1,228]

News flash: despite this disparity in numbers, black people tend to commit more crimes, no? They certainly take up more room in prisons. So you would think the two would go hand in hand, and yet they don't. White serial killers are still far more common.

Let me get this straight...

Your points are

-Blacks have such high rates of crime yet when it comes to serial killing their participation matches their population numbers.

-There are more white serial killers (Ah yes, there are many times more white people).

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Let me get this straight...

Your points are

-Blacks have such high rates of crime yet when it comes to serial killing their participation matches their population numbers.

-There are more white serial killers (Ah yes, there are many times more white people).

My point originally was that there are simply more white serial killers.

But then you mentioned population. You basically said "black people do this less because there are less of them" ... well that's not always the case, obviously, since black people commit more crime and there are less of them.

Does that not make sense?

Genuinely curious, I'm on new medication and what makes sense to me might not be making sense to other people..

[Karee 4,191]

Genuinely curious, I'm on new medication and what makes sense to me might not be making sense to other people..

That was hilarious!

[Penny Lane 8,159]

That was hilarious!

I was being serious...

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Forgive me but I don't have the time to give greater detail but let me hit a few points.

-Obama's Birth circumstance was pretty unique. So comparison is hard to make, should I take offense that Obamas ties to big oil were not questioned as bush had been... No because it does not apply.

We do know Barack mom quickly married a Foreign nation here on a visa, who as it turns out was reportedly already married, a man who had extensive ties to Communists and similar philosophy and we know Obama did very little to answer the question as it played into his interest... up until a point. NAME For the me in recent memory, which presidents had such unusual birth circumstances? How many other presidents can we see photos of their mother in nude photography?

HOWEVER... John McCain (who you mentioned) did in fact have to go through some Congressional inquiry to see if he was eligible to run. So I think you are off on that account too.

-I recall Bush having more than "You lie" hurled at him but rather a shoe at a speaking engagement, go back to the posts right here and see what everyones opinion was of that.

IF I had the time I could pull up utube clips of accusations made against Bush that "he Lied us into this war".... not only by professional journalists but by Al Gore and others.

Wonder if Obama endured this level of national humiliation.

- Actually you don't have a lock on Lynchings... one third of the people lynched in this country where white..... we just never hear about that (wonder why)

-Your experience with racial bias over seas is irrelevant to why you excuse why you take offense to some stereo typing but not others.... (Romney the greedy white guy)

-Many serial killers are black, you are operating on another stereo type. Google "Black serial killers" and get your fill, no doubt Youtube has vids if you are interested as well.

- Michelle Obama has been treated with Kid-gloves. Hillary Clinton and Nancy Reagan had much greater haters than Michelle.

How bout the way the Bush twins were hounded, my friend you are seeing what you want to see.

Ok, here we go:

Why would the birth certificate come into question AFTER he came into office? It goes back to what I said, now correct me if I am wrong but if you are running for President the vetting process is going to be very thorough, do you believe for one second that he wasn't checked and rechecked before he stepped foot in the White House? Basically you are saying that all those agencies I named didn't know this beforehand and had to do a recheck on his background? And that mom nude comment, I looked it up, funny how that comes up on conservative websites, but not regular ones. John Mccain had the inquiry, but how was it done? Quietly and quickly, and he was a US Senator, Obama was the Commander in Chief, a position just a tad bit higher than that and he was forced to show his.

I knew you were going to bring the shoe throwing incident into this, so I was prepared: On 14 December 2008, during a press conference at the Prime Minister's Palace in Baghdad, Iraq, journalist Muntadhar al-Zaidi threw his shoes at United States President George W. Bush. See the bolded portion, not in America has this happend, now I will give you this one: On 20 January 2009 protesters in the United States shoed an inflatable replica of George W. Bush in replication of al-Zaidi's shoe-throwing incident. Even with someone we can't stand they wouldn't throw a show at our President.

Now Bush has always had detractors, people have voiced their opinion about him in droves, I will give you that easy. But show me a video when someone did it WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING. It has been standard protocol that you don't interrupt him while he is addressing people. Now I did some checking and there are 4 times recorded when someone interrupted the president, once back when Reagan was in office, the shoe throwing incident in IRAQ, guess who has the other 2

Now for the lynching, had to do some homework on this one here is what I found: From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes. By these numbers I think it's safe to say that it was the preferred method for Black people.

Who calls Rommney the greedy white guy? I never hear or see it at all, I work in mostly diverse office environment and with the exception of the 47% comment, most black folks just like Obama, no one I know calls him that, maybe Im in the wrong building.

I tried to google/wiki list of black serial killers, came up with this: Some authors state that African American serial killers are as prevalent, or more so, in proportion to the African American population. According to some sources, the percentage of serial killers who are African American is estimated to be between 13 and 22 percent.[15][16] Another study has shown that 16 percent of serial killers are African American, what author Maurice Godwin describes as a "sizeable portion".[17] Anthony Walsh writes, "While it is true that most serial killers are white males, white (Anglo) males are actually slightly underrepresented in the serial killer ranks in terms of their proportion of the general male population" and that "[w]hatever the true proportion of black serial killers in the United States is or has been, it is greater than the proportion of African Americans in the general population."[18] Other reports show about 80% of serial killers being identified as white, placing nonwhite serial killers as accounting for less than 20% of serial killers.[19] While it is not conclusively known if black Americans are statistically less or more likely to be serial killers, reasons for under or overreporting of black serial killers could be due to racial profiling, the same factor that could account for the popular perception or reporting of serial killers as uniformly white.[19] Popular racial stereotypes about the lower intelligence of African-Americans, and the stereotype that serial killers are white males with "bodies stacked up in the basement and strewn all over the countryside" may explain the media focus on serial killers that are white and the failure to adequately report on those that are black.[20] So yeah we make up 13-22%, do you think you can even compare it to the 80%? And this might not be accurate so I can't get behind it 100%.

Show me a time when either one of those first ladies were booed at a national event, the Bush Twins did a lot of partying and didn't one get hit for a DUI? The Obamas haven't had any of those things and yet Michelle is constantly referred to the angry black woman, I've never seen it but everyone says it so it must be true.