RFE to show we met in person. HELP!

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

They will undo your, “MEGA stapled everything.“ And yes it happens, more often then one may think.

speculation....

[Texas22 50]

REQUIREMENT THAT PETITIONER AND BENEFICIARY HAVE MET IN PERSON: It must be established that the petitioner and beneficiary have met in person and/or have been in each other's physical presence at any time during the two years immediately preceding the filing of this petition.

• Circumstances of Meeting - Submit information regarding the circumstances under which the petitioner and beneficiary met to establish this relationship.
  

The way I read this is they want to know how you met... how did the relationship start before you physically met her in person? You have given proof that you actually did meet... but how did the meeting come about?

[WaitingStill 24]

Hi VJ'ers,

I need advice from the throng on VJ about what I can do to meet the requirement for proving we met in person.

Background: Here is the letter that I included with the I129F for Part B, Question 18: "Has your fiancée met and seen you in within the two-year period immediately preceding the filing of this petition."

To Whom It May Concern:

Michelle and I met in person in Manila. I arrived on May 23 and returned to San Francisco on June 6, 2012. During our time together I stayed at her house in Las Piñas, Manila. Our time was spent in and around Manila. I met Michelle’s family, most of whom flew in from Butuan City for the duration of my stay.

Attached is documentation that confirms that I, Jeffrey X. XXXXX, met and saw my fiancée, Michelle X. XXXXX, within the 2-year period preceding the filing of my I-129F petition.

Included herewith:

• Itinerary/Receipt of round-trip flight from SFO to MNL

• Copy of petitioner’s US Passport with entry and exit stamps from the immigration officers at the Manila airport (entry: 5/23/12, exit: 6/6/12)

• Copies of boarding passes

• Receipt for Php 550 Passenger Service Charge upon exiting the Philippines

• Copies of toll receipts for taxi rides on Manila Skyway

• Copies of receipts from restaurants and movie theater

• Photographs documenting our time together [here I included 6 pages of photos of us together, printed in full color at Kinkos, with dates]

Here is the text from the RFE from the CSC:

REQUIREMENT THAT PETITIONER AND BENEFICIARY HAVE MET IN PERSON: It must be established that the petitioner and beneficiary have met in person and/or have been in each other's physical presence at any time during the two years immediately preceding the filing of this petition.

• Circumstances of Meeting - Submit information regarding the circumstances under which the petitioner and beneficiary met to establish this relationship.
  

So, my question is, what else can I do to prove that I spent 2 weeks with Michelle? Are they looking for a longer narrative about our love story? More pictures?

Thanks for your help!!

Maybe I am oversimplifying, but what exactly did you write in box 18? You said "here is the letter that I included...." The contents of the letter should have been placed in box 18. I know it sounds really basic, but they don't have time to go searching for things. If it is not specified in box 18 they will treat your petition as if there is no proof attached.

Just a thought.

JD

[bigdog 376]

Good Luck

[googled 13]

I agree with what most everyone here is saying in that they are asking how you met; online, in person, through a friend, etc. I don't think you need to send them tons of info. All I sent was my passport stamps to prove I was in the country and about 5 pics of us together and it all went through just fine. I did tell them how we met though.

[Glynn & Jean 5]

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Hi VJ'ers,

I need advice from the throng on VJ about what I can do to meet the requirement for proving we met in person.

Background: Here is the letter that I included with the I129F for Part B, Question 18: "Has your fiancée met and seen you in within the two-year period immediately preceding the filing of this petition."

To Whom It May Concern:

Michelle and I met in person in Manila. I arrived on May 23 and returned to San Francisco on June 6, 2012. During our time together I stayed at her house in Las Piñas, Manila. Our time was spent in and around Manila. I met Michelle's family, most of whom flew in from Butuan City for the duration of my stay.

Attached is documentation that confirms that I, Jeffrey X. XXXXX, met and saw my fiancée, Michelle X. XXXXX, within the 2-year period preceding the filing of my I-129F petition.

Included herewith:

• Itinerary/Receipt of round-trip flight from SFO to MNL

• Copy of petitioner's US Passport with entry and exit stamps from the immigration officers at the Manila airport (entry: 5/23/12, exit: 6/6/12)

• Copies of boarding passes

• Receipt for Php 550 Passenger Service Charge upon exiting the Philippines

• Copies of toll receipts for taxi rides on Manila Skyway

• Copies of receipts from restaurants and movie theater

• Photographs documenting our time together [here I included 6 pages of photos of us together, printed in full color at Kinkos, with dates]

Here is the text from the RFE from the CSC:

REQUIREMENT THAT PETITIONER AND BENEFICIARY HAVE MET IN PERSON: It must be established that the petitioner and beneficiary have met in person and/or have been in each other's physical presence at any time during the two years immediately preceding the filing of this petition.

• Circumstances of Meeting - Submit information regarding the circumstances under which the petitioner and beneficiary met to establish this relationship.

So, my question is, what else can I do to prove that I spent 2 weeks with Michelle? Are they looking for a longer narrative about our love story? More pictures?

Thanks for your help!!

Explain how you met your Fiancee( example) Dating site, at the mall, Through a friend or family member, This is what the RFE want/need to know. Then proceed to talk about your trip to see her, the things you did together, how inseparable the 2 of you were, how happy to be with each other, the feeling of separation each had when leaving for home and her reaction to when you asked her to marry you.. They want to see a pattern from the beginning to when you asked her to marry you. When sending pictures show some of holding hands, hugging or small kiss ,all dated. All evidence is to show you are in love and want to be married. Hope this helps, it is exactly how I was advised to write it and had no problems with RFE during the K1 Process.

[Mick_n_Leila 6]

Sorry to hear you got RFE'd....Just a suggestion, these are the questions I used to summarize our meeting and relationship.....we are still waiting tho, cuz we had to file thru that Blasted Vermont SC.....but hope it helps:

Timeline

How did you come into first contact with your fiancée? How, why, where?

a. Date you first met?...first How/where?

b. Date(s) you started getting serious? What happened?

c. Dates(s) you met Face to Face. From when to when? And Where?

d. Date marriage was proposed and agreed to.

e. Date of engagement party or celebration

f. Dates of any other special events in your relationship.

Nature of relationship

a. Why did you choose your fiancée?

b. what features, attributes do you find most attractive?

Communications

a. How do you communicate? What services do you use?

b. How often do you communicate?

c. What languages do you use? What are your respective fluency levels?

Face to Face Meetings

How many trips have you made to meet with your Fiancee?

a. Dates of entry, and exit from her country

b. Which country were you at

c. What did you do together during your trip?

d. What did you talk about?

e. How did the relationship change?

f. Who did you meet when traveling with her?

g. How did they treat you?

h. What do you think about them?

The Proposal

a. When was the proposal for marriage made?

b. Describe the circumstances of your proposal?

What are your plans for the future with your fiancee?

a. what are your plans for the wedding ceremony?

b. what are plans for honeymoon?

c. what are your plans for establishing a household?

d where do you plan to live after marriage? – what kind of house, where, buy rent

location and so on.

e. what do you expect to happen within a year of marriage?

f. what do you expect to happen after 5 years of marriage?

g. after marriage, do you have plans about work for your spouse?

h. are you planning a family?

i. plans for vacations together?

j. plans for social, hobbies, educational interests?

Do you have your next trip planned ?

a. When do you plan to travel? From when to when

b. Are there any special activities planned for this trip?

I know it seems like overkill, but summarize all in to a short story.....in some regards, think of it as like a business plan, telling your history and aim for the future.

Best of blessings to you both

[Misha♥Jeff 12]

Maybe I am oversimplifying, but what exactly did you write in box 18? You said "here is the letter that I included...." The contents of the letter should have been placed in box 18. I know it sounds really basic, but they don't have time to go searching for things. If it is not specified in box 18 they will treat your petition as if there is no proof attached.

Just a thought.

JD

For Box 18, I used the verbiage that is recommended on VJ in the example forms. Here is what I wrote verbatim:

See Suppliment "I-129F Suppliment: Part B, Question 18: Has your fiance(e) met and seen you within the two-year period immediately preceding the filing of this petition."

Then I attached a page which contained the verbiage from my original post immediately after the I-129F form.

M&J

Edited October 14, 2012 by Misha & Jeff

[Misha♥Jeff 12]

Thanks VJ friends for all your great advice. I know now what we need to do for this RFE. Our story is a wonderful story to tell. So I have no problem explaining how we found each other and how we came to meet in Manila. I didn't tell that story in the Petition because I thought that stuff was for the embassy interview for proof of an ongoing, loving relationship.

Anyway, I will write it up and send it along to the CSC tomorrow. And we will keep you posted on the outcome.

Thanks again everyone!!!

M&J

Edited October 14, 2012 by Misha & Jeff

[Mark + Melissa 49]

Michelle and I met in person in Manila.

Here is the text from the RFE from the CSC:

REQUIREMENT THAT PETITIONER AND BENEFICIARY HAVE MET IN PERSON: It must be established that the petitioner and beneficiary have met in person and/or have been in each other's physical presence at any time during the two years immediately preceding the filing of this petition.

• Circumstances of Meeting - Submit information regarding the circumstances under which the petitioner and beneficiary met to establish this relationship.

They are actually asking how did you two meet the very first time. WAs it over the Internet, through a friend, blind date.. how did you first discover each other?

[Timzel 0]

Hello,

They also asked for RFE, photocopy of his passport and passport stamp that he went here in PH. Now our petition has been approved. Just waiting for the instructions packet. Though we were advised by our agency that we can sched for the interview and do medical.

Hi VJ'ers,

I need advice from the throng on VJ about what I can do to meet the requirement for proving we met in person.

Background: Here is the letter that I included with the I129F for Part B, Question 18: "Has your fiancée met and seen you in within the two-year period immediately preceding the filing of this petition."

To Whom It May Concern:

Michelle and I met in person in Manila. I arrived on May 23 and returned to San Francisco on June 6, 2012. During our time together I stayed at her house in Las Piñas, Manila. Our time was spent in and around Manila. I met Michelle's family, most of whom flew in from Butuan City for the duration of my stay.

Attached is documentation that confirms that I, Jeffrey X. XXXXX, met and saw my fiancée, Michelle X. XXXXX, within the 2-year period preceding the filing of my I-129F petition.

Included herewith:

• Itinerary/Receipt of round-trip flight from SFO to MNL

• Copy of petitioner's US Passport with entry and exit stamps from the immigration officers at the Manila airport (entry: 5/23/12, exit: 6/6/12)

• Copies of boarding passes

• Receipt for Php 550 Passenger Service Charge upon exiting the Philippines

• Copies of toll receipts for taxi rides on Manila Skyway

• Copies of receipts from restaurants and movie theater

• Photographs documenting our time together [here I included 6 pages of photos of us together, printed in full color at Kinkos, with dates]

Here is the text from the RFE from the CSC:

REQUIREMENT THAT PETITIONER AND BENEFICIARY HAVE MET IN PERSON: It must be established that the petitioner and beneficiary have met in person and/or have been in each other's physical presence at any time during the two years immediately preceding the filing of this petition.

• Circumstances of Meeting - Submit information regarding the circumstances under which the petitioner and beneficiary met to establish this relationship.

So, my question is, what else can I do to prove that I spent 2 weeks with Michelle? Are they looking for a longer narrative about our love story? More pictures?

Thanks for your help!!

[brett and alma 12]

Super cool info.

Timeline

How did you come into first contact with your fiancée? How, why, where?

a. Date you first met?...first How/where?

b. Date(s) you started getting serious? What happened?

c. Dates(s) you met Face to Face. From when to when? And Where?

d. Date marriage was proposed and agreed to.

e. Date of engagement party or celebration

f. Dates of any other special events in your relationship.

Nature of relationship

a. Why did you choose your fiancée?

b. what features, attributes do you find most attractive?

Communications

a. How do you communicate? What services do you use?

b. How often do you communicate?

c. What languages do you use? What are your respective fluency levels?

Face to Face Meetings

How many trips have you made to meet with your Fiancee?

a. Dates of entry, and exit from her country

b. Which country were you at

c. What did you do together during your trip?

d. What did you talk about?

e. How did the relationship change?

f. Who did you meet when traveling with her?

g. How did they treat you?

h. What do you think about them?

The Proposal

a. When was the proposal for marriage made?

b. Describe the circumstances of your proposal?

What are your plans for the future with your fiancee?

a. what are your plans for the wedding ceremony?

b. what are plans for honeymoon?

c. what are your plans for establishing a household?

d where do you plan to live after marriage? – what kind of house, where, buy rent

location and so on.

e. what do you expect to happen within a year of marriage?

f. what do you expect to happen after 5 years of marriage?

g. after marriage, do you have plans about work for your spouse?

h. are you planning a family?

i. plans for vacations together?

j. plans for social, hobbies, educational interests?

Do you have your next trip planned ?

a. When do you plan to travel? From when to when

b. Are there any special activities planned for this trip?

I know it seems like overkill, but summarize all in to a short story.....in some regards, think of it as like a business plan, telling your history and aim for the future.

Best of blessings to you both

Edited October 15, 2012 by brett and alma

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

speculation....

Not speculation. Fact.

[TnJ 131]

They are not asking for proof of meeting, just the statement of how they met. Also, the question on the petition says met and seen, people miss that it is a two part question. In addition the first statement under the question says...Describe the circumstances of how you met.... Petitioners confuse this with the two year in person requirement.

I understand, but this is an A and B requirement. You have met within 2 years AND how did it happen. It's simple. I'm not referring to one single question but the whole the petition. The problem is the trivialization that goes on.

Not speculation. Fact.

Indeed.

Edited October 15, 2012 by ToddnJessa

[TnJ 131]

Prove, prove, proof, what you write in your letters means nothing, I can write a letter with your name on it. Somehow you did not prove to them you meet in person. Did you write on your I-129 Line 18 how you meet. They pay the most attention to the form you fill in, and not some letter you wrote.

Unless, you type in "See attached statement" and "some letter you wrote" is a detailed statement that won't fit into the block.