Ryan wins Debate

[Penny Lane 8,159]

and which "lies" would those be?

They aren't hard to find if you want to fact check the debate.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/politics/fact-check/index.html

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/vp-debate-fact-check-slips-during-joe-biden-paul-ryans-night

There you go.

Not to say that everything Biden said was correct, but Ryan was far more misleading. Not to mention hypocritical.

Edited October 12, 2012 by Evylin

[Obama 2012 1,714]

They aren't hard to find if you want to fact check the debate.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/politics/fact-check/index.html

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/vp-debate-fact-check-slips-during-joe-biden-paul-ryans-night

There you go.

Not to say that everything Biden said was correct, but Ryan was far more misleading. Not to mention hypocritical.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/12/politics/fact-check-benghazi-security/index.html

Looks like Biden is the one who's lying.... or can we say "covering up."

[Penny Lane 8,159]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/12/politics/fact-check-benghazi-security/index.html

Looks like Biden is the one who's lying.... or can we say "covering up."

What does that have to do with Ryan's incorrect claims? Or did you not read those?

I already stated that Biden wasn't always correct. It's a shame that Ryan's lies don't register with you.

Oh well.

Edited October 12, 2012 by Evylin

[Obama 2012 1,714]

What does that have to do with Ryan's incorrect claims? Or did you not read those?

I already stated that Biden wasn't always correct. It's a shame that Ryan's lies don't register with you.

Oh well.

Nothing that Ryan said on the list was "incorrect" though. Half the story maybe on some, but there was nothing that he said that was an actual untruth. So I find it funny that the left would sit here and come and go "lie lie lie lie lie" after the debate and today.

Not only that even the little fact-checker tried to get snarky and doesn't know what the hell PORK is... So even the fact checkers can be a little loose on their facts at times.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Nothing that Ryan said on the list was "incorrect" though. Half the story maybe on some, but there was nothing that he said that was an actual untruth. So I find it funny that the left would sit here and come and go "lie lie lie lie lie" after the debate and today.

Not only that even the little fact-checker tried to get snarky and doesn't know what the hell PORK is... So even the fact checkers can be a little loose on their facts at times.

Alright. You're correct. He was flawless, big bad Biden just didn't let him tell the whole story, that's all. Poor guy.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

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Alright. You're correct. He was flawless, big bad Biden just didn't let him tell the whole story, that's all. Poor guy.

hey, i went all the way down that ABC list and they didn't say he was completely wrong once. The only thing they tried to spin was the $90 billion of Pork...

[akihon 129]

One looks like Herman Munster and the other like Eddie?

*splatters mouthful of coffee on the laptop*

HAHAHA!!

[Boiler 46,132]

It really does not matter who won.

I call it a draw.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

What does that have to do with Ryan's incorrect claims? Or did you not read those?

I already stated that Biden wasn't always correct. It's a shame that Ryan's lies don't register with you.

Oh well.

Fact checking establishment Dem and Repub politicians? Here is a clue...THEY ALL LIE

When I lived in Ukraine I did some very interesting research on things that just fascinated me. I wanted to know what young people had been taught about the United States during the Soviet Union. I found a whole lot of interesting thinsg that are relevent to this topic

1. Mostly they did not study the United States at all

2. Nearly everything they were told was TRUE

3. Nearly everything they were told was negative

It was really an amazing personal research project and one I made copious notes of. There was no reason to LIE to make the US look bad. Of course the same could be done for any country, any person or any political party if one focuses only on negatives. Is it "lying by omission"? Oh, probably. Is it "spinning" Sure. In my statistics class I showed that hospitals increase the incidence of death in cities where they aqre located. Hospitals are bad.

Debates, like all the other forms of advertising (and that IS what it is, nothing else) are meant to grab you and make you FEEL that oen candidate is better than the4 other. They have no affect on kool-aid drinkers like Evylin, Mr. Big Dog, Danno, etc. They always were going to vote the way they will. In fact the whole election pivots on a small percentage of the population in a very small number of states because we insist on a ridiculous system of choosing the president. If we need to cling to the ridiculous "electoral college" then the electors should be chose by congressional district. Living in Vermont, my vote simply will not "count" at all, unless I vote for Obama. (In Vermont with only one congressman it would nopt make any difference anyway, but in other states it would)

The 2 things we need to change FIRST before anything else can be debated with any meaning...Eliminate or greatly modify the electoral college AND eliminate our current income tax system and replace it with either FAIR TAX or a TRUE FLAT TAX. When we make politicians answerable to ALL people and when we get their sticky fingers out of the funds that are supposed to finance our country, OUR COUNTRY, then this is all nonsense.

Until then the rest of this is just hot stove league BS. We may as well debate the number of ghosts that can dance on the head of a pin.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

It must be nice going through life knowing everything. Or at least acting like you do.

Edited October 12, 2012 by Evylin

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It must be nice going through life knowing everything. Or at least acting like you do.

Very nice. Must suck to be ignorant kool aid drinking robots.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Very nice. Must suck to be ignorant kool aid drinking robots.

Yes, Gary. Whatever you say, Gary. You're so smart, Gary. Teach us how to think freely like you, Gary.

[akihon 129]

Fact checking establishment Dem and Repub politicians? Here is a clue...THEY ALL LIE

When I lived in Ukraine I did some very interesting research on things that just fascinated me. I wanted to know what young people had been taught about the United States during the Soviet Union. I found a whole lot of interesting thinsg that are relevent to this topic

1. Mostly they did not study the United States at all

2. Nearly everything they were told was TRUE

3. Nearly everything they were told was negative

It was really an amazing personal research project and one I made copious notes of. There was no reason to LIE to make the US look bad. Of course the same could be done for any country, any person or any political party if one focuses only on negatives. Is it "lying by omission"? Oh, probably. Is it "spinning" Sure. In my statistics class I showed that hospitals increase the incidence of death in cities where they aqre located. Hospitals are bad.

Debates, like all the other forms of advertising (and that IS what it is, nothing else) are meant to grab you and make you FEEL that oen candidate is better than the4 other. They have no affect on kool-aid drinkers like Evylin, Mr. Big Dog, Danno, etc. They always were going to vote the way they will. In fact the whole election pivots on a small percentage of the population in a very small number of states because we insist on a ridiculous system of choosing the president. If we need to cling to the ridiculous "electoral college" then the electors should be chose by congressional district. Living in Vermont, my vote simply will not "count" at all, unless I vote for Obama. (In Vermont with only one congressman it would nopt make any difference anyway, but in other states it would)

The 2 things we need to change FIRST before anything else can be debated with any meaning...Eliminate or greatly modify the electoral college AND eliminate our current income tax system and replace it with either FAIR TAX or a TRUE FLAT TAX. When we make politicians answerable to ALL people and when we get their sticky fingers out of the funds that are supposed to finance our country, OUR COUNTRY, then this is all nonsense.

Until then the rest of this is just hot stove league BS. We may as well debate the number of ghosts that can dance on the head of a pin.

So why aren't you running? lolol

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So why aren't you running? lolol

The ones who have all the answers never do. Duh.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

So why aren't you running? lolol

You think Herman Cain or Bill Clinton had bimbo eruptions? Hooo boy! They did not even live in Ukraine! WAY too many skeletons in my closet. Alla and I have decided that were are both "post conventional" in our moral development (google "Kohlberg") Not to mention the Cossack photos.