Coal Workers Say Murray Energy 'Coerces' Them to Make GOP Donations: 'If You Don’t Contribute, Your Job's at Stake'

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You can resign from the Union instantly, or change your job and not join a Union at the new workplace

I agree with most of your post but I must quibble with one detail - you are not free to "not join a union at the new workplace" if said workplace is not in a right-to-work state. 23 out of our 50 states are right-to-work states. In those states, you have the freedom to not join a union.

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That statement is patent nonsense

I have been in three unions and they don't own you 'for the rest of your life' at all !

You can resign from the Union instantly, or change your job and not join a Union at the new workplace

It's just silly to say that a Union owns you 'for the rest of your life'

I think once a person's brain has become infested with dog-in-the-manger right wing ideas and conspiracy theories, then that infestation owns you for the rest of your life and I have never known such a person come to their senses and repent

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Those probably were not real unions, like we have in America.

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I agree with most of your post but I must quibble with one detail - you are not free to "not join a union at the new workplace" if said workplace is not in a right-to-work state. 23 out of our 50 states are right-to-work states. In those states, you have the freedom to not join a union.

I agree.

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I agree with most of your post but I must quibble with one detail - you are not free to "not join a union at the new workplace" if said workplace is not in a right-to-work state. 23 out of our 50 states are right-to-work states. In those states, you have the freedom to not join a union.

I am not an expert on legislation in these 'right to work states' or indeed in the others, but I suspect there is more to it, in that the Employer is free to ignore the Union totally in those States and even fire people who join Unions even though the Union is not recognized

Is that a correct ?

I know that some of these States also have legislation currently on their books that denies me, as a non-believer, to give evidence in court, or to sit on a jury or hold public office

I realize that these laws are unconstitutional and unenforceable in theory, but these States refuse to repeal them and it is a good indication of what is going on there - basically it is an ultra-religious society harking back to the Confederacy and slavery.

Employment laws and conditions in those places are all part and parcel of the societies there. I have looked at those societies and I wont even take a plane that lands there on the way to somewhere else

It is no coincidence that these oppressive employers that bear down on the coal miners are in the former Confederacy

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I am not an expert on legislation in these 'right to work states' or indeed in the others, but I suspect there is more to it, in that the Employer is free to ignore the Union totally in those States and even fire people who join Unions even though the Union is not recognized

Is that a correct ?

To be honest I don't quite get what you're saying. Probably my ESL handicap, my fault not yours.

But if you're saying what I think you might be saying......

There are regulations that define how to create and maintain a labor union and part of those regulations involves working with the employer. Once a union is formed and recognized (by the state), the employer doesn't have the option to "ignore" them because they're there. They can, and do, however, incentivize employees to not join the union.

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To be honest I don't quite get what you're saying. Probably my ESL handicap, my fault not yours.

But if you're saying what I think you might be saying......

There are regulations that define how to create and maintain a labor union and part of those regulations involves working with the employer. Once a union is formed and recognized (by the state), the employer doesn't have the option to "ignore" them because they're there. They can, and do, however, incentivize employees to not join the union.

By 'incentivize' do you mean the Employer can 'fire' the employee if he joins a Union in the way that a robber incentivizes the owner of a 7/11 to hand over their cash ?

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By 'incentivize' do you mean the Employer can 'fire' the employee if he joins a Union in the way that a robber incentivizes the owner of a 7/11 to hand over their cash ?

No, I was referring to benefits.

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I am not an expert on legislation in these 'right to work states' or indeed in the others, but I suspect there is more to it, in that the Employer is free to ignore the Union totally in those States and even fire people who join Unions even though the Union is not recognized

Is that a correct ?

Right to work (as it stands here in Texas) is that you or an employer can terminate your employment with or without reason at any time. Neither party has an obligation to the other.

Now this isn't necessarily as true as that statement sounds, because when it comes to filing things like unemployment you have to have the reason you left and the company has to give reason why you left or were let go as well.

However, there's no direct penalty for leaving an employer for another job if you found something better, unless of course you were under some sort of contract.

The exception to the right to work rules, come when an employer (usually defense contractors) receives Federal money within the state they operate in. Then they have to accept and recognize unions.

Employment laws and conditions in those places are all part and parcel of the societies there. I have looked at those societies and I wont even take a plane that lands there on the way to somewhere else

I will say this last statement was a bit ignorant. We have one of the best economies in the country/world here in this state. You can make a lot of money here if you work hard and the cost of living is cheap. Also a great place if you want to buy a piece of land away from the city as well. There's a reason why people flock here.

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Right to work (as it stands here in Texas) is that you or an employer can terminate your employment with or without reason at any time. Neither party has an obligation to the other.

i think thats the 'at will' law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

the 'right to work' law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

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When my American company fired me, I had a 12 month contract to include my salary plus benefits plus my company car (top end Merc)

The first $50k was tax free

I feel so sorry for American workers who can be thrown away like a lollipop wrapper

I think the worker supporters of this system must be people at the height of their powers and employability, and they will suffer in turn when that no longer applies to them (Don't get sick, don't get old)

Any German or British worker would be appalled at this Dickensian way of treating people

It's no wonder that people are moving from Detroit to Texas given the alternative - in exactly the same way as people are living in apartments rather than buying a house. It isn't that they want to live in Texas or live in an apartment, and come the recovery, people will move to more humane working conditions and buy a house

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