2008 Can't Wait

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its quite telling where you stand by way of never mentioning these three lovely fellows, your actions speak louder than words, You have the right not to like Bush and say anything you like! Kim Il jong is launching missles into the sea of japan and testing nukes and you and a few others just keep pounding the same old drum! We are in Iraq,Saddam is gone, killed and interupted many attacks! the attacks are now on our military! Last I remember thats what the military does and is supposed to do! Its so easy to look back on something and then condemn it. Some of the arm chair presidents here really are quite pathetic! There were mistakes made! last I checked nobody is perfect!

This is a fine example of you making a slight mention of the bad guys, then rolling right back into the same old thing! Bush is in no way as bad as these three clowns! if the world does not get together on taking care of these whacko leaders theres gonna be hell to pay, most of europe just wants to stay out of it and lay low but as we all see, France is gonna have to take a stand! their immigration laws are biting them in the #######!

As I said - you're engaging in a bit of wishful thinking there because I have never compared Bush to any of those people. He is not Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao - whatever. What's your point - that because we are not ruled by a dictator we should happily support a guy who is completely unethical, dishonest and a "grandstander"?

I was NEVER, AT ANY POINT convinced by the justifications for the Iraq war - neither was my dad, nor any of my friends. What does that suggest? That a lot of people swallowed a lot of B/S. That would be "foresight", not hindsight.

As to the other point I wonder if anyone has missed the fact that the term "anti-american" is itself anti-american. A big part of being a mature adult is not caring what other people think - you seem to have some trouble with that.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Thanks for either missing the point or displaying your ignorance on the point I made yet again. It never fais with you.

Look who's talking. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

Shouldn't you be busy looking up what party John McCain belongs to?

hint: It ain't the Mavericks even if they call him one every so often.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So what would you say someone is then who supports people who want to see the destruction of a free society and the destruction of America.. What pro-life?

Well that really depends doesn't it? The term seems to be used to be used (and you yourself have used it in this way) towards ANYONE who disagrees with current policy - political opponents get lumped in with terrorists. Makes you wonder what set of values the administration and its supporters are trying to defend.

[Heracles 417]

Well that really depends doesn't it? The term seems to be used to be used (and you yourself have used it in this way) towards ANYONE who disagrees with current policy - political opponents get lumped in with terrorists. Makes you wonder what set of values the administration and its supporters are trying to defend.

Hang on a sec. There is a fine line between simply disagreeing with someone and on the other hand wanting to see the destruction of a person, who you disagree with..

I am not saying you have said or suggested so but there are a lot of people with left wing values who act like that.. and yes as a person migrating from overseas, it is quite visible to me..

Edited October 30, 2006 by Infidel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well that really depends doesn't it? The term seems to be used to be used (and you yourself have used it in this way) towards ANYONE who disagrees with current policy - political opponents get lumped in with terrorists. Makes you wonder what set of values the administration and its supporters are trying to defend.

Hang on a sec. There is a fine line between simply disagreeing with someone and on the other hand wanting to see the destruction of a person, who you disagree with..

I am not saying you have said or suggested so but there are a lot of people with left wing values who act like that.. and yes as a person migrating from overseas, it is quite visible to me..

Well... name some. Again I find it highly suspect to link people objecting to issues of government policy with terrorists. That's not only slanderous, but against the spirit of a democratic constitution.

[Heracles 417]

We can not prevent wars. We never have and never will. There will always be people in the world that need to be smacked down. What we have never had, until the 60's, was people at home who openly support the enemy, campaign for them etc. And even more people at home who criticize the actions of our troops, with zero evidence, who wont support them no matter what and take every opportunity to run them down.

We now have people who will scrutinize, in minute detail, every action of the troops and the government while at the same time turn a blind eye to the wholesale butchery and savagery of the enemy, just so that they can point out some alleged wrong doing of one of their own, who they would never support anyway.

Edited October 30, 2006 by Infidel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We can not prevent wars. We never have and never will. There will always be people in the world that need to be smacked down. What we have never had, until the 60's, was people at home who openly support the enemy, campaign for them etc. And even more people at home who criticize the actions of our troops, with zero evidence, who wont support them no matter what and take every opportunity to run them down.

We now have people who will scrutinize, in minute detail, every action of the troops and the government while at the same time turn a blind eye to the wholesale butchery and savagery of the enemy, just so that they can point out some alleged wrong doing of one of their own, who they would never support anyway.

Deja Vu

Well that really depends doesn't it? The term seems to be used to be used (and you yourself have used it in this way) towards ANYONE who disagrees with current policy - political opponents get lumped in with terrorists. Makes you wonder what set of values the administration and its supporters are trying to defend.

[Heracles 417]

Deja Vu

More like reality.. I think this is something the founders of any nation would have never envisioned. People who would probably have been considered traitors back then are now living and thriving in nations they have little or no respect for.. There is a fine line with disagreeing with the government and simply hating them and the troops and wanting both to fail at any cost.

Personally, I may disagree with Democrats but I would never ever wish failure on them at the expense of the nation..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Deja Vu

More like reality.. I think this is something the founders of any nation would have never envisioned. People who would probably have been considered traitors back then are now living and thriving in nations they have little or no respect for.. There is a fine line with disagreeing with the government and simply hating them and the troops and wanting both to fail at any cost.

Personally, I may disagree with Democrats but I would never ever wish failure on them at the expense of the nation..

The point of disagreement is that current foreign policy is not in the best interests of the nation, in much the same way that certain aspects of domestic economic policy are not in the interests of the general public.

Trying to dress it up to suggest that those "of a certain political persuasion" are traitors is simplistic and more than a little dishonest.

[Heracles 417]

The point of disagreement is that current foreign policy is not in the best interests of the nation, in much the same way that certain aspects of domestic economic policy are not in the interests of the general public.

Trying to dress it up to suggest that those "of a certain political persuasion" are traitors is simplistic and more than a little dishonest.

There is a fine line with everything. Saying, "I don't agree with the current policies. I wish the troops had never been deployed. I would have done a, b, c etc instead of going to war. If that failed, I would then gone down the road of bla bla bla". That is a difference of opinion..

Wishing failure of the current government, mocking it's leaders, being unable to recognize any progress or success and disrespecting the Military overseas is NOT the same as the precious statement. It is negative, nonconstructive, disrespectful and even punishable by death in certain nations...

Edited October 30, 2006 by Infidel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The point of disagreement is that current foreign policy is not in the best interests of the nation, in much the same way that certain aspects of domestic economic policy are not in the interests of the general public.

Trying to dress it up to suggest that those "of a certain political persuasion" are traitors is simplistic and more than a little dishonest.

There is a fine line with everything. Saying, "I don't agree with the current policies. I wish the troops had never been deployed. I would have done a, b, c etc instead of going to war. If that failed, I would then gone down the road of bla bla bla". That is a difference of opinion..

Wishing failure of the current government, mocking it's leaders, being unable to recognize any progress or success and disrespecting the Military overseas is NOT the same as the precious statement. It is negative, nonconstructive, disrespectful and even punishable by death in certain nations...

I think a great many people would have no problem with this administration, if the administration had not proven itself (on many issues) to be duplicitous and unethical. Trust and respect are earned, and once taken away are very hard to regain. It’s not rocket science, after all.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

People who would probably have been considered traitors back then are now living and thriving in nations they have little or no respect for...

Traitors, eh? Consider this - and it's a Republican writing this. A Republican traitor in your book, I guess.

So, here we are a decade or so later from our conservative "revolution" of 1994.

Privacy, individual freedom and rights - forget about it; we're at war.

Smaller government - forget about it; we're at war.

Cutting wasteful spending by members of Congress - forget about it; we're at war.

Free speech - forget about it. We need to be re-elected. And besides, we're at war.

Despicable and scandalous behavior by members of our party - we'll handle it later; we're busy with Katrina legislation, and besides, we're at war.

Massive budget deficits - don't worry about it. It'll all work out because - you guessed it - we're at war.

Want to revamp a bankrupt Social Security system? Forget about it - we need to be re-elected, and besides that, don't forget that we're at war.

Finally, 12 million underclass immigrants want to pay taxes voluntarily and legally by living "free" or "die" trying. Forget about it; we don't want you here.

Forget how my president, Ronald Reagan, addressed this problem in the past and go home.

Forget that legal and illegal immigrants were jumping out of the World Trade Center along with natural-born Americans.

On second thought, let's never forget that.

Forget that hundreds of thousands of Americans have died fighting so that we could live free and without tyranny or fear of any governmental authority.

I support the war on terror and I support fighting it on foreign lands rather than having to fight it here.

But I can't support using the war on terror as an excuse to erode the very bedrock of our Republican principles. Do that and we've lost the war, regardless of the outcome of the battles we may fight in Iraq.

What a difference a decade makes.

I wonder what happened to my Republican Party.

Good luck in November.

Sam Rashid - What Happened To My Republican Party?

[eric&gen 0]

Who ever our next president is going to be they should first get our troops pulled out of IRAQ then send RIC FLAIR in to clean up the mess lol.

[Carol&Marc 0]

People who would probably have been considered traitors back then are now living and thriving in nations they have little or no respect for...

Traitors, eh? Consider this - and it's a Republican writing this. A Republican traitor in your book, I guess.

So, here we are a decade or so later from our conservative "revolution" of 1994.

Privacy, individual freedom and rights - forget about it; we're at war.

Smaller government - forget about it; we're at war.

Cutting wasteful spending by members of Congress - forget about it; we're at war.

Free speech - forget about it. We need to be re-elected. And besides, we're at war.

Despicable and scandalous behavior by members of our party - we'll handle it later; we're busy with Katrina legislation, and besides, we're at war.

Massive budget deficits - don't worry about it. It'll all work out because - you guessed it - we're at war.

Want to revamp a bankrupt Social Security system? Forget about it - we need to be re-elected, and besides that, don't forget that we're at war.

Finally, 12 million underclass immigrants want to pay taxes voluntarily and legally by living "free" or "die" trying. Forget about it; we don't want you here.

Forget how my president, Ronald Reagan, addressed this problem in the past and go home.

Forget that legal and illegal immigrants were jumping out of the World Trade Center along with natural-born Americans.

On second thought, let's never forget that.

Forget that hundreds of thousands of Americans have died fighting so that we could live free and without tyranny or fear of any governmental authority.

I support the war on terror and I support fighting it on foreign lands rather than having to fight it here.

But I can't support using the war on terror as an excuse to erode the very bedrock of our Republican principles. Do that and we've lost the war, regardless of the outcome of the battles we may fight in Iraq.

What a difference a decade makes.

I wonder what happened to my Republican Party.

Good luck in November.

Sam Rashid - What Happened To My Republican Party?

Just another politician trying to get elected!

[Heracles 417]

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We hear the same tune over and over again.. What I would like to see is solutions from people against the current administration. If your going to put someone's idea down at least throw out ideas of you own on how to improve the situation..

Edited October 30, 2006 by Infidel