Bush: U.S. doesn't torture prisoners

[one...two...tree 2,762]

President Bush said Friday the United States does not torture prisoners, commenting after Vice President ####### Cheney embraced the suggestion that a dunk in water might be useful to get terrorist suspects to talk.

Human rights groups complained that Cheney's words amounted to an endorsement of a torture technique known as "water boarding," in which the victim believes he is about to drown. The White House insisted Cheney was not talking about water boarding but would not explain what he meant.

Less than two weeks before midterm congressional elections, the White House was put on the defensive as news of Cheney's remark spread. Bush was asked about it at a White House photo opportunity with NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer. Presidential spokesman Tony Snow was pelted with questions at two briefings with reporters.

Democrats also pointed to Cheney's statement.

"Is the White House that was for torture before it was against it, now for torture again?" tweaked Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. Kerry, in his unsuccessful campaign for the presidency, had been skewered by Bush for saying he had voted for war funds before he voted against them.

Cheney triggered the flap in an interview Tuesday by radio broadcaster Scott Hennen of WDAY in Fargo, N.D. Hennen said callers had told him, "Please, let the vice president know that if it takes dunking a terrorist in water, we're all for it, if it saves lives."

"Would you agree a dunk in water is a no-brainer if it can save lives?" Hennen asked.

"Well, it's a no-brainer for me, but for a while there I was criticized as being the vice president for torture," Cheney said. "We don't torture. That's not what we're involved in."

At his photo op, Bush said, "This country doesn't torture, we're not going to torture. We will interrogate people we pick up off the battlefield to determine whether or not they've got information that will be helpful to protect the country."

Snow, at a morning meeting with reporters, tried to brush off the controversy.

"You know as a matter of common sense that the vice president of the United States is not going to be talking about water boarding. Never would, never does, never will," Snow said. "You think ####### Cheney's going to slip up on something like this? No, come on."

Snow said Cheney did not interpret the question as referring to water boarding and the vice president did not make any comments about water boarding. He said the question put to Cheney was loosely worded.

In water boarding, a prisoner is tied to a board with his head slanted down and a towel covering his face. Water is then poured on his face to create the sensation of drowning.

The administration has repeatedly refused to say which techniques it believes are permitted under a new law. Asked to define a dunk in water, Snow said, "It's a dunk in the water."

At a televised briefing later, the questions turned tougher and more pointed.

"The vice president says he was talking in general terms about a questioning program that is legal to save American lives, and he was not referring to water boarding," Snow said.

Yet, the spokesman conceded, "I can understand that people will look at this and draw the conclusions that you're trying to draw."

Larry Cox, executive director of Amnesty International USA, said in a statement, "What's really a no-brainer is that no U.S. official, much less a vice president, should champion torture. Vice President Cheney's advocacy of water boarding sets a new human rights low at a time when human rights is already scraping the bottom of the Bush administration barrel."

Human Rights Watch said Cheney's remarks were "the Bush administration's first clear endorsement" of water boarding.

A new Army manual, released last month, bans torture and degrading treatment of prisoners, explicitly barring water boarding and other procedures.

[pedroh 21]

but didn't the reps agreed that they could still torture prisioners and the presidend would define if it was torture or not?!

#######?!

just wrong, plain wrong.. as Mr Nice Guy in reservoir dogs says:

"If you ###### beat this ####### long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it ###### so! "

[Carol&Marc 0]

kiss them till they give it up! FLOWERS TO WOULD BE HELPFUL. feed them granola till they explode!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

kiss them till they give it up! FLOWERS TO WOULD BE HELPFUL. feed them granola till they explode!

Them could be you. All it takes these days is a name similar to someone suspected of whatever. You wouldn't have any right to review, counsel or whatever else might save your #######. Always keep that in mind.

[Carol&Marc 0]

kiss them till they give it up! FLOWERS TO WOULD BE HELPFUL. feed them granola till they explode!

Them could be you. All it takes these days is a name similar to someone suspected of whatever. You wouldn't have any right to review, counsel or whatever else might save your #######. Always keep that in mind.

1-800-OSAMA..............Call it! Ya better run their comin for ya!

Edited October 28, 2006 by Carol&Marc

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

kiss them till they give it up! FLOWERS TO WOULD BE HELPFUL. feed them granola till they explode!

Them could be you. All it takes these days is a name similar to someone suspected of whatever. You wouldn't have any right to review, counsel or whatever else might save your #######. Always keep that in mind.

1-800-OSAMA..............Call it! Ya better run their comin for ya!

You might be willing to let the bad guys dictate what liberties and human rights we preserve and which we toss out for nothing but a false perception of temporary safety. I am not. You might have no problem caving in to that scum. I do.

[Marc and Olga 0]

just wrong, plain wrong.. as Mr Nice Guy in reservoir dogs says:

"If you ###### beat this ####### long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it ###### so! "

It has been quite a long time since I watched reservoir dogs, but I imagine Harvey Keitel saying that...

Man, I wanna see Pulp Fiction now, nothing better then the Wolf!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is it me, or does water-boarding sound rather similar to "witch-ducking".

If you float you're a witch and must be burned at the stake.

If you sink and drown you're not.

Either way, you're ######.

[GaryC 7]

Is it me, or does water-boarding sound rather similar to "witch-ducking".

If you float you're a witch and must be burned at the stake.

If you sink and drown you're not.

Either way, you're ######.

The only difference is you don't die either way. You only "think" you will. There is no damage done.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is it me, or does water-boarding sound rather similar to "witch-ducking".

If you float you're a witch and must be burned at the stake.

If you sink and drown you're not.

Either way, you're ######.

The only difference is you don't die either way. You only "think" you will. There is no damage done.

As I say frequently to my wife "if it doesn't leave a mark, its not abuse"

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Now that was funny

[GaryC 7]

So you think waterboarding, making a prisoner cold or uncomfortable is tourture hmmm??? It amazes me how the lily livered left thinks we tourture people. If you have the guts to see the truth then look here:

http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

That my friend is tourture. You cheapen the word by applying what we do to that word.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So you think waterboarding, making a prisoner cold or uncomfortable is tourture hmmm??? It amazes me how the lily livered left thinks we tourture people. If you have the guts to see the truth then look here:

http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

That my friend is tourture. You cheapen the word by applying what we do to that word.

Gary,

A new Army manual, released last month, bans torture and degrading treatment of prisoners, explicitly barring water boarding and other procedures.

Is the Army mistaken about what is torture?

[GaryC 7]

So you think waterboarding, making a prisoner cold or uncomfortable is tourture hmmm??? It amazes me how the lily livered left thinks we tourture people. If you have the guts to see the truth then look here:

http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

That my friend is tourture. You cheapen the word by applying what we do to that word.

Gary,

A new Army manual, released last month, bans torture and degrading treatment of prisoners, explicitly barring water boarding and other procedures.

Is the Army mistaken about what is torture?

Yeah? So what is your point?

WE DON"T DO TOURTURE!!!! WE NEVER DID AND NEVER WILL!!!!

Edited October 28, 2006 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[ChristinaM 0]

It obviously depends on your definition of torture. I consider making somebody believe that they're going to drown is torture. If you can justify it in your head Gary, that's all well and good for you. I cannot, in good conscience, condone it.