MENA, Casablanca Morocco -Second interview with a second 221(g)

[SarAyouBliss 38]

I am sorry you are going through this. I truly understand. I am 21 years older than my husband. But I see some issues in your answers you gave the CO and I think that is where the problems are.

"my wife living by herself no family no friends and there are other practical reasons why we need to be in person".

She sounds like a lonely, old woman trolling for comfort (Think like a CO who doesn't know you okay). If she is portrayed like she NEEDS you and the CO may feel like once you are in the US you will get greencard and leave her since you say she has no one. Thats TOO much dependece. She is a older mature woman why doesn't she have friends and family (I know people leave I am mending my own but you get how they are looking at it).

Also did you explain the praticial reasons to the CO.

She visits although lenghty and good at beginning you have a 2 year gap now. Not good. You said she was sick. Which again doesn;t help the older/younger dynamics. The CO maybe lookign at you as this young caregiver that will resent it and leave.

It seems your demeanor you tell us and your answers was not convincing enough. You just kept saying you wanted to be together. But since she could travel so much they may wonder.

The current income is what matters. But the past shows the CO a pattern. Does she have a history of quitting jobs. If she didn't make the poverty guidelines for what 2 people for the last 3 years that is a BIG red flag. And they may look at her current employment as something she may leave soon as you are here or something. Was those three years at the same company different. All that plays in thats why they want to see 3 years worlh. To see your employment worthyness.

Thanks

My wife has friends but as she had to move to the town where she found a job, she hasn't in touch with them except 2 of them, and regarding her family, her mother and brother are living in Illinois and a daughter living south of California, they didn't want her to move to live with me here in Morocco as that was the plan from the beginning in 2009 but in 2011 her mother became more tolerant and i spoke to her on the phone, Her daughter also wasn't tolerant and she really cut off her relationship with my wife (her mom) until the last couple of months, they are visited each other few times. and now my wife is living by herself, she barely can have time to go visit friends due to overloads of work, she now works 60 hrs/week. She had her own business since 1995 but lost her clients as she informed them she is moving to Morocco in 2009 but her business wasn't officially shut down, she tried to get the groove back of her business after returning to the US in Dec 2010 but was hard because she had to get a job to sponsor me, she found the job on July 2011.

i hope you will hear a good news brother !!!

Thanks Mounir, we need your prayers, all of you guys. blesses

[SarAyouBliss 38]

I am sorry you are going through this. I truly understand. I am 21 years older than my husband. But I see some issues in your answers you gave the CO and I think that is where the problems are.

"my wife living by herself no family no friends and there are other practical reasons why we need to be in person".

She sounds like a lonely, old woman trolling for comfort (Think like a CO who doesn't know you okay). If she is portrayed like she NEEDS you and the CO may feel like once you are in the US you will get greencard and leave her since you say she has no one. Thats TOO much dependece. She is a older mature woman why doesn't she have friends and family (I know people leave I am mending my own but you get how they are looking at it).

Also did you explain the praticial reasons to the CO.

She visits although lenghty and good at beginning you have a 2 year gap now. Not good. You said she was sick. Which again doesn;t help the older/younger dynamics. The CO maybe lookign at you as this young caregiver that will resent it and leave.

It seems your demeanor you tell us and your answers was not convincing enough. You just kept saying you wanted to be together. But since she could travel so much they may wonder.

The current income is what matters. But the past shows the CO a pattern. Does she have a history of quitting jobs. If she didn't make the poverty guidelines for what 2 people for the last 3 years that is a BIG red flag. And they may look at her current employment as something she may leave soon as you are here or something. Was those three years at the same company different. All that plays in thats why they want to see 3 years worlh. To see your employment worthyness.

Regarding the practical reasons : my wife by herself being visible in the neighborhood and she's a target as she told me several times she felt someone following her, she lives in a town of 16,000 inhabitants, she's Alone she needs to be with someone living with her anyone but none is available except me but a visa is required, it's hard living 2 years alone and another year before that! She & I have needs, we need to touch each other because we can't go to touch someone else! ect.....

Sorry for your pain...I see almost 3 decades of an age difference.

You described your wife as.... " my wife living by herself no family no friends" (which BTW dont think helped in proving a bona fide marriage) why cant your wife live in Morocco?

Thanks

My wife has friends but as she had to move to the town where she found a job, she hasn't in touch with them except 2 of them, and regarding her family, her mother and brother are living in Illinois and a daughter living south of California, they didn't want her to move to live with me here in Morocco as that was the plan from the beginning in 2009 but in 2011 her mother became more tolerant and i spoke to her on the phone, Her daughter also wasn't tolerant and she really cut off her relationship with my wife (her mom) until the last couple of months, they are visited each other few times. and now my wife is living by herself, she barely can have time to go visit friends due to overloads of work, she now works 60 hrs/week. She had her own business since 1995 but lost her clients as she informed them she is moving to Morocco in 2009 but her business wasn't officially shut down, she tried to get the groove back of her business after returning to the US in Dec 2010 but was hard because she had to get a job to sponsor me, she found the job on July 2011

[dwheels76 5,468]

Thanks

My wife has friends but as she had to move to the town where she found a job, she hasn't in touch with them except 2 of them, and regarding her family, her mother and brother are living in Illinois and a daughter living south of California, they didn't want her to move to live with me here in Morocco as that was the plan from the beginning in 2009 but in 2011 her mother became more tolerant and i spoke to her on the phone, Her daughter also wasn't tolerant and she really cut off her relationship with my wife (her mom) until the last couple of months, they are visited each other few times. and now my wife is living by herself, she barely can have time to go visit friends due to overloads of work, she now works 60 hrs/week. She had her own business since 1995 but lost her clients as she informed them she is moving to Morocco in 2009 but her business wasn't officially shut down, she tried to get the groove back of her business after returning to the US in Dec 2010 but was hard because she had to get a job to sponsor me, she found the job on July 2011.

Did you detail this information about her business and the loss. In this economy that should have been stated. Do they even know she is a business woman and had her own company? What you have laid out really looks not inviting to a stranger. A lonely woman in a small town that needs a man by herside to I don;t know take care of her protect her.

I understand the family dynamics I and my daughter also were astranged but now are back and talking and bening a family. So happt for your wife about that.

Maybe getting some affidavits from the family leading their support may help alot. REally sorry I feel your love for her and its sad you have to be kepted apart.

[Peter_Pan 661]

You're right, it is not very common for 55yrs old woman to marry 27yr old man, but no mistake that we became wife & husband with successful relationship, love & understanding, i know i should not say it's a successful relationship until I & my wife spend couple of years in person, but we are discouraged, we have faith that we were born to be together. I heard of US women even older than my wife who successfully got visas for husbands more younger than me here in Morocco but that was 6 or 7 years ago, it doesn't matter when as to why the COs gave approvals THEN, but they seem to no longer approve in recent years, what have changed since then? And since the COs can't believe in a love story of a 58 years old woman with a 19 years old boy, why they gave them approval then 5 or 7 years ago, on top of other approvals with similar age difference? Is it because frauds became common or because the older women with young men is no longer a trend? Ofcourse because fraud became common with age difference or non age difference, yet, age difference remains red flag.

sorry im a little bitter, we just weren't prepared for this. Thanks

That's ok, she will just move and live with you in Morocco, so you can be together forever!

[msheesha 548]

Regarding the practical reasons : my wife by herself being visible in the neighborhood and she's a target as she told me several times she felt someone following her, she lives in a town of 16,000 inhabitants, she's Alone she needs to be with someone living with her anyone but none is available except me but a visa is required, it's hard living 2 years alone and another year before that! She & I have needs, we need to touch each other because we can't go to touch someone else! ect.....

Thanks

My wife has friends but as she had to move to the town where she found a job, she hasn't in touch with them except 2 of them, and regarding her family, her mother and brother are living in Illinois and a daughter living south of California, they didn't want her to move to live with me here in Morocco as that was the plan from the beginning in 2009 but in 2011 her mother became more tolerant and i spoke to her on the phone, Her daughter also wasn't tolerant and she really cut off her relationship with my wife (her mom) until the last couple of months, they are visited each other few times. and now my wife is living by herself, she barely can have time to go visit friends due to overloads of work, she now works 60 hrs/week. She had her own business since 1995 but lost her clients as she informed them she is moving to Morocco in 2009 but her business wasn't officially shut down, she tried to get the groove back of her business after returning to the US in Dec 2010 but was hard because she had to get a job to sponsor me, she found the job on July 2011

It's not uncommon in America for a woman to live by herself and be "visible" as to the fact that she lives alone. Did you describe this as one of the practical reasons you need to live with your wife in America?

Also, did you mention to the CO that your wife thinks someone is following her?

[Ayman___ 92]

Sorry to hear about this but she can always move there with you. The problem I see is she didn't go see you since December 2010.I asked my husband if I didn't g see him since we married what he would feel.he said he couldn't go that long without holding my hands ....My husband I talked about this if it didn't go through I am going there to live with him...bottom line GOOD LUCK to you both

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Sorry for the visa refusal. Your wife can ask for another interview through her senator and/or congressman and should try very hard to be present with you if they grant you another one.

It can take 6-12 months for USCIS to reaffirm or deny your case, I have also seen around 4 months. It would be best to get another visit in to

support a bona fide marriage because the CO can return it a second time after USCIS reaffirms it or place you in lengthy AP.

Either way, another visit is crucial in my opinion.

Co's have no problem approving old men and very young women from certain countries and the old stereo type of discriminating against age difference

is unfortunately still there for older women/younger men.

Our case was also returned.

Best wishes and hope you will be reaffirmed soon without long delays.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Meanwhile your wife needs to prepare for a co sponsor in response to the NOID letter.

[NY_BX 397]

I have to say, there are many red flags in your case and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, this will be an uphill battle. The next set of questions are NOT to be intrusive. In fact, you don't have to answer them here. These are a guide for you to know what the CO is looking at. Depending on the answers, you or may NOT be a text book case of immigration fraud. In other words, depending how many check marks you hit, you may be considered a scam artist and not a husband. I do not mean to be harsh, I'm just exposing it as if I'm the CO. Remember you MUST prove you're bonafide. Frankly, you're lucky you got a 2nd interview. I'm leaning towards believing there's more to this story than the age difference and tax returns. By the way, women here are "visible." We do not know what you mean by that, but if she's isolated, it may very well be because of her relationship. A CO may've seen that too....

How many times has she visited you?

Did you marry in your first visit?

How old are her children?

Previous marriages/ divorces (for both of you)?

Does she have a daughter aprox your age?

What are your educational backgrounds?

Have she wired transferred money to you?

Have you sent money to her?

Religious differences? If not, did she convert upon your request?

I hate to point this out- TRSUT ME- but- is she caucasian?

Language barriers? Judging by your posts I do not believe you fall in this category.

How did you meet? Internet? common friends and family?

Did she meet your family and friends? Did you meet any of her family or friends? *By you claiming she's lonely, you waved the red flag tremendously. The CO might've thought everyone abandoned her due to her current relationship.

How do you justify marrying a lady outside of child bearing age? DO you want to have children in the near future?

All of this and more (that I might've forgotten) will play a part in the approval/ issuance of your visa. I highly suggest you answer these questions truthfully and do more research. You had 2 chances and somehow they slipped away. Granted, Casablanca is one of the hardest consulates in the world. Even more preparation required.

Good luck!

Edited October 2, 2012 by NY_BX

[Boiler 45,486]

It does seem odd that you have not met for 2 years.

The age difference is not uncommon for this consulate.

[Rae Anne 44]

I have to say, there are many red flags in your case and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, this will be an uphill battle. The next set of questions are NOT to be intrusive. In fact, you don't have to answer them here. These are a guide for you to know what the CO is looking at. Depending on the answers, you or may NOT be a text book case of immigration fraud. In other words, depending how many check marks you hit, you may be considered a scam artist and not a husband. I do not mean to be harsh, I'm just exposing it as if I'm the CO. Remember you MUST prove you're bonafide. Frankly, you're lucky you got a 2nd interview. I'm leaning towards believing there's more to this story than the age difference and tax returns. By the way, women here are "visible." We do not know what you mean by that, but if she's isolated, it may very well be because of her relationship. A CO may've seen that too....

How many times has she visited you?

Did you marry in your first visit?

How old are her children?

Previous marriages/ divorces (for both of you)?

Does she have a daughter aprox your age?

What are your educational backgrounds?

Have she wired transferred money to you?

Have you sent money to her?

Religious differences? If not, did she convert upon your request?

I hate to point this out- TRSUT ME- but- is she caucasian?

Language barriers? Judging by your posts I do not believe you fall in this category.

How did you meet? Internet? common friends and family?

Did she meet your family and friends? Did you meet any of her family or friends? *By you claiming she's lonely, you waved the red flag tremendously. The CO might've thought everyone abandoned her due to her current relationship.

How do you justify marrying a lady outside of child bearing age? DO you want to have children in the near future?

All of this and more (that I might've forgotten) will play a part in the approval/ issuance of your visa. I highly suggest you answer these questions truthfully and do more research. You had 2 chances and somehow they slipped away. Granted, Casablanca is one of the hardest consulates in the world. Even more preparation required.

Good luck!

Pardon my ignorance but I'm curious - what does race have to do with it?

[NY_BX 397]

Pardon my ignorance but I'm curious - what does race have to do with it?

Again, take no offense by it. But apparently the vast mayority of fraud female victims fall within that race and age. This by no means excludes other races whatsoever. They just have a "common traits" list and that so happens to be important, for whatever reason.

In fact, and here's where I get a little exasperated, in an article of a Consular from a MENA country, he went as far as to mention "overweight caucasian" as if being fat and white made a female more vulnerable to become a fraud victim. I do not question his experience, let alone the percentages, but jeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz!

Anyhow, these are tidbits of information they "keep to themselves" and seldom share with some immigration lawyers- which is how I obtained it. I'm sure there are more members that can share their information.

It does seem odd that you have not met for 2 years.

The age difference is not uncommon for this consulate.

really?

[Boiler 45,486]

Look back through previous threads, a USC female significantly older seems normal. Often divorced, children, different religion and ethnicity.

Weight, I have no idea.

Likewise with PI usually the male is much older.

Obviously there are exceptions, just stating what seems normal.

[moroccogirlny 100]

Boiler is correct. Back in 2005/2006 there were a few couples that got approved. The women were in their 60's and their men late 20's early 30's. go figure.

[kristen_maroc 126]

I think if you want to have any semblance of a life together, she's going to have to move to Morocco for a few years and then re-apply. If you're not willing to make that sacrifice to be together...... ......