Fox: Not off medicine in political ads

[GaryC 7]

Does 9/11 ring a bell?

What is it? That you don't like the emotional appeal or that you don't like to see people who are suffering in political ads?

Sure it does. That is when the Dems got the Jersey Girls out. We were attacked. If you call wanting to defend ourselves an emotional appeal then your really missing the point.

My point is that political ads do just that - appeal to emotions, just like all adverstising these days. It works and that's why both parties do it. What I'm calling you on, Gary, is that you've lashed out at Fox for trying to tug at people's heartstrings with his Parkinson's Disease, as if he is doing something so reprehensible in the scope of political ads. So which Party is 'better' or least reprehensible when it comes to such tactics? The Republicans? ...horse hockies.

We don't exploit victims like the dems do. The dems find a victim and then when we try to call them on the facts we are bombarded with "oh you evil person you! Can't you see they are suffering?" The dems try to insulate themselves from critisizem with the emotional picture the victim poses. The dems got away with it for a long time. But no longer. We will call a spade a spade whenever we see it and that pisses the libs off. So be it.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

"Would you support a Republican candidate?" Couric asked.

"I have," Fox replied. "I've campaigned for Arlen Specter," describing the Republican Senator from Pennsylvania as a "fantastic champion of stem-cell research."

Spector is about as Republican as Madonna is Catholic.

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Oh, now I need to throw in my Re. 1 worth.

I analysed the US parties after a London Times article in 1997. IMO:

• Republicans are very Toryesque (and in this case, I mean Canadian Tories in Myron Baloney era--not Brit)
  
• Dems are somewhere between Grits (aka Liberal Party) and NDP ("new democratic party"--it's name is now a double-lie, as it hasn't upgraded its ideology since T.C. Douglas kicked bucket)
  
• and those are in the light of a (also Canadian, now-defunct Reform/Alliance) party jingle "Liberal Tory, same old story"
  

Basically, Specter is "average" for Republicans (described above as Baloney-Toreyesque).

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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Does 9/11 ring a bell?

What is it? That you don't like the emotional appeal or that you don't like to see people who are suffering in political ads?

Sure it does. That is when the Dems got the Jersey Girls out. We were attacked. If you call wanting to defend ourselves an emotional appeal then your really missing the point.

My point is that political ads do just that - appeal to emotions, just like all adverstising these days. It works and that's why both parties do it. What I'm calling you on, Gary, is that you've lashed out at Fox for trying to tug at people's heartstrings with his Parkinson's Disease, as if he is doing something so reprehensible in the scope of political ads. So which Party is 'better' or least reprehensible when it comes to such tactics? The Republicans? ...horse hockies.

We don't exploit victims like the dems do. The dems find a victim and then when we try to call them on the facts we are bombarded with "oh you evil person you! Can't you see they are suffering?" The dems try to insulate themselves from critisizem with the emotional picture the victim poses. The dems got away with it for a long time. But no longer. We will call a spade a spade whenever we see it and that pisses the libs off. So be it.

9/11 has been royally exploited in political ads. A lot of the people who complained about the Rep ads were actually family members of 9/11 victims who objected to their relatives being "exploited".

[Laura_and_IanM 0]

I feel for Michael J Fox and others with disabilitating diseases. My uncle passed away from Lou Gherigs disease which a lot of ppl don't even know what it is. IMO tho, I feel as if its a two way street, they both used one another, one for votes, the other who used his status in the public eye to get the public to rethink who they vote for and to raise awareness of this disease and the possibility of finding a cure or treatment for it thru stem cell research. Who is wrong? I would say the politician is wrong on this account. WHY? Because so what if Micheal J Fox uses his status to gain awareness and to get the public to vote for someone who supports stem cell research. At least someone can do it. What average Joe Schmoe out there is going to be able to afford even half of the ads that he has done or at least raised as much awareness???? The polititcian then used Micheal J Fox for his celebrity status and his health condition to play on the voters strings...but whose to say that any one of us wouldn't do that???

Lets take politics out of this here..despite the fact that it was for a political ad. The bottom line is that someone claimed that he was FAKING his syptoms. Who are we to judge? Who is Limbaugh to judge? Wasn't Limbaugh the one who was in the news a few years back for drug usage? I don't think its fair for one to sit on a perch and judge. Yes he has apologised, but the statements he made were way off base and uncalled for.

LJ

[GaryC 7]

Lets take politics out of this here..despite the fact that it was for a political ad. The bottom line is that someone claimed that he was FAKING his syptoms. Who are we to judge? Who is Limbaugh to judge? Wasn't Limbaugh the one who was in the news a few years back for drug usage? I don't think its fair for one to sit on a perch and judge. Yes he has apologised, but the statements he made were way off base and uncalled for.

LJ

Lets get this straight here. I was listening to Rush that day. He never said the word FAKE. He observed that in all the interviews that he had seen recently that Fox wasn't like he was in the comercial. He also noted that when Fox testified before congress that he admitted to not taking his meds that day for a stronger emotional impact. Rush then said "either he was off his meds or he was ACTING". He never said faked. Since Fox already admitted to adjusting his meds for maximum impact it was a fair thing to speculate about.

[Ban Hammer 13,633]

Does anyone ever tire of these HS dropouts using their celebrity to assert their politics?

Jeesh!

[Carol&Marc 0]

What I find ironic is that Fox is backing this guy for the sole purpose of stem cell research and nothing else, for a cure to be found in stem cells is very much a big MAYBE!

Would I vote for this guy because Mike tells me too HE## NO!

Edited October 27, 2006 by Carol&Marc

[Saddle Bronc 124]

What I find ironic is that Fox is backing this guy for the sole purpose of stem cell research and nothing else, for a cure to be found in stem cells is very much a big MAYBE!

Would I vote for this guy because Mike tells me too HE## NO!

I've had the experience of one of "my own" (Indian-Canadian) trying to direct my vote. In 1993, he had come to our home (in Calgary) to tell us (parents and myself) to vote for Liberal Party. While my dad DID vote Liberal, I told my mum (who had only been naturalised in 1989) that she should make her own choice (rather than necessarily going for my dad's or mine)--even suggesting sarkily that she could vote for the independent (NO party) candidate (well, "no party" IS a nice catch-all for those who have difficulty making decisions on the others, eh?).

As for the visitor, I told him "I have MEMBERSHIP in the Reform Party, so don't even bother asking--they already have my vote". (mum told me afterward that she had actually chosen the Reform candidate).

When I want to vote, I don't ask for recommendations from even my church or community--let alone some celebrity with whom I've had no personal contact!

Edited October 27, 2006 by CherryXS

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Lets take politics out of this here..despite the fact that it was for a political ad. The bottom line is that someone claimed that he was FAKING his syptoms. Who are we to judge? Who is Limbaugh to judge? Wasn't Limbaugh the one who was in the news a few years back for drug usage? I don't think its fair for one to sit on a perch and judge. Yes he has apologised, but the statements he made were way off base and uncalled for.

LJ

Lets get this straight here. I was listening to Rush that day. He never said the word FAKE. He observed that in all the interviews that he had seen recently that Fox wasn't like he was in the comercial. He also noted that when Fox testified before congress that he admitted to not taking his meds that day for a stronger emotional impact. Rush then said "either he was off his meds or he was ACTING". He never said faked. Since Fox already admitted to adjusting his meds for maximum impact it was a fair thing to speculate about.

How is this worse than the 9/11 ads?

[GaryC 7]

Lets take politics out of this here..despite the fact that it was for a political ad. The bottom line is that someone claimed that he was FAKING his syptoms. Who are we to judge? Who is Limbaugh to judge? Wasn't Limbaugh the one who was in the news a few years back for drug usage? I don't think its fair for one to sit on a perch and judge. Yes he has apologised, but the statements he made were way off base and uncalled for.

LJ

Lets get this straight here. I was listening to Rush that day. He never said the word FAKE. He observed that in all the interviews that he had seen recently that Fox wasn't like he was in the comercial. He also noted that when Fox testified before congress that he admitted to not taking his meds that day for a stronger emotional impact. Rush then said "either he was off his meds or he was ACTING". He never said faked. Since Fox already admitted to adjusting his meds for maximum impact it was a fair thing to speculate about.

How is this worse than the 9/11 ads?

I think your train of thought jumped the track. This has nothing to do with 9/11 ads. In reality it's getting back to the OP.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

It appeared to me that he was "acting" when I saw the video.......

Does anyone ever tire of these HS dropouts using their celebrity to assert their politics?

Jeesh!

I tire of community college dropouts who are radio talk shows with political influence

[Ric Flair 0]

The crowd grows restless and silence fills the auditorium. They are witnessing a cowardly attack in the middle of the ring. While Michael J Fox had the mic and was speaking to the crowd, he was ambushed from behind by Gary and Rush Limbaugh.

Rush moved slowly to the ring, taking minutes to climb up the side....weighed down by years of neglect and abuse to his body, he is quite large....perhaps it is not a surprise that he is large given how big his mouth is. The crowd realizes the ultimate irony of this slow man being named Rush. Eventually as Rush enters the ring, he sees MJ Fox noticeably shaking and trying to keep his focus. What a perfect opportunity to knock someone down. Rush knows he is not in the A league so he goes after the physically weak to make himself look stronger. A big smile cuts across Rush's face as he picks up a steel chair and hits MJ Fox in the back of the head. Victorious he proclaims "Now you've got something to complain about. You see....that's the real thing and not acting. I'm the one who really knows about pain around here, and not because I'm a pain in the azz...oh no! Because I use Vicodin....and let me tell you it really hurt when I said Donovan McNabb was only getting publicity because he is a black quarterback. After that incident I really felt pain for what I said. When I apologized it was not acting.....but you MJ Fox with your shaking and whatnot are dispicable! You want a cure? Well then pray harder! It works for the gays. And see....there is proof you were acting. After I knocked you out with this chair you stopped shaking."

Seeing that MJ Fox was already knocked out and on the ground, Gary felt ok to come out from behind the curtain and make his way to the ring. He takes the mic as the crowd boos and says: "MJ Fox deserved what he got. Once he went off of his medication in front of Congress to demonstrate the effects of Parkinson's. He did this for effect! He actually wanted to show people how horrific this disease is without the benefit of treatment or possibility of a cure. He exposed the true nature of the disease hoping to get more funding to cure it. What an azzhole. He should be highly subdued and drugged at all times and maybe then I'd listen." After berating the fallen MJ Fox, Gary proceeds to kick him while he is down....laughing and mocking him.

And then it happens.

The lights go out and a lone spotlight shines up the ramp and the music starts. Could it be? Yes! It's the Nature Boy Ric Flair - 22 time champion of the what? world. He is the dirtiest player in the game and after all this time he is still the man. The man has accomplished so much....nobel peace prize winner and mayor of O-Town. He also owns and operates Space Mountain. He is a true legend.

The crowd errupts as Flair runs down the ring and jumps in. Rush, takes 60 seconds to turn his large frame. When you're that big you are surprised quite often. Finally after turning around, Rush is face to face with Ric Flair. Ric offers a handshake and Rush is delighted.....he looks like someone just gave him a year pass to the China Buffet. As Rush goes for the handshake, Ric takes his hand back, gives a Wooooo! and does the Flair strut. Rush is stunned and his mouth starts to close. He has never seen greatness like this before. As his lips come together, Ric Flair unwinds and delivers a chop so devastating that Rush's body starts shaking uncontrollably. His body is not used to this much activity and becomes rapidly worn out. The anguish is almost too much to bear. Just then, Ric pulls out a bottle of Vicodin. This will solve Rush's shaking problem. Good thing for Rush that someone saw the needs of pain patients and invested the money to produce this drug. Ric holds the bottle in front of Rush and then throws it out into the crowd. Woooooo! A chop from Ric Flair, now there is something to shake about. Woooooo!

Flair takes off his Armani tie and shirt, kicks off the shoes and bounces off the ropes. Gary, who had been doing what we all expected, was hiding beneath the ring. As Flair came off the ropes, Gary does what he does best, gets in a cheap shot and trips Ric Flair. Gary runs into the ring and starts to taunt the Nature Boy. Gary runs to go off the ropes but quickly runs out of breath. You see, Gary had been a smoker and failed to quit due to a side effect of medication. Wooooo! If only someone had done some more research and investing into a better medication, perhaps he would have a better solution. Thoughts go through Gary's head about testifying in front of Congress to show the dangers of this medication. He would take it and make a video of his actions and show it to Congress for effect so they could see first hand. But alas, that day will never come, because he messed with Ric Flair.

Gary, gasping for air, slowly makes his way to Flair. Ric gets up, kicks him in the balls and delivers a devastating chop. Ric chops Gary so hard that Rush stops shaking out of pity. It turns out Rush was acting all along. Rush rolls his large frame out of the ring and leaves his biggest fan, Gary alone. Sadly, this was expected as Rush always looks out for himself and lets others go to bat for him. Gary is alone in the ring with Flair. Thoroughly defeated, Gary offers his eternal allegiance to the Nature Boy.

And then it happens.

MJ Fox hits Gary in the back of the head with the ring bell. MJ Fox, throws away his medication and puts Gary in a bear hug. Gary has found out just how devastating those shakes can be without the meds. Gary yells out in pain.....and that ain't acting.

Winner - Ric Flair and MJ Fox.

Wooooooo!

[GaryC 7]

It appeared to me that he was "acting" when I saw the video.......

Does anyone ever tire of these HS dropouts using their celebrity to assert their politics?

Jeesh!

I tire of community college dropouts who are radio talk shows with political influence

There are 20 million people that disagree with you on that one.

[Fandango 1,440]

Over medicated/undermedicated. So what. It was still done to gain sympathy.

Can you spot me one political ad that doesn't try to evoke some kind of emotional response?

Why are standing up for what Limbaugh said if he later apologized?

Why are you posting things like this if Rush apologized?

hehehe...which came first, the chicken or the egg... why did you post that thread yesterday attacking Fox? You're the one defending Limbaugh's remarks and attacking Fox. The man made a political ad in support of a candidate for the state of Missouri, who is Democrat - which Limbaugh hates and that's why Fox gets attacked. That's the crux of the issue here. Show me one political ad by any party that fits your criteria as emotionally neutral?

Limbaugh's comments weren't so off the wall. Is it THAT much of a a stretch to think he might've been off his meds or acting? He's an actor! And he spent so much time hiding his disease, that we're not used to seeing him like that.

I'm not bashing MJF, but if I were in his shoes, I'd ham it up for the extra 'heartstring factor'....you yourself have just admitted that it's designed to be emotional.

So get over this, it's a lame duck now. And Limbaugh shouldn't have apol'd imo. That was his opinion, and he was entitled to it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Lets take politics out of this here..despite the fact that it was for a political ad. The bottom line is that someone claimed that he was FAKING his syptoms. Who are we to judge? Who is Limbaugh to judge? Wasn't Limbaugh the one who was in the news a few years back for drug usage? I don't think its fair for one to sit on a perch and judge. Yes he has apologised, but the statements he made were way off base and uncalled for.

LJ

Lets get this straight here. I was listening to Rush that day. He never said the word FAKE. He observed that in all the interviews that he had seen recently that Fox wasn't like he was in the comercial. He also noted that when Fox testified before congress that he admitted to not taking his meds that day for a stronger emotional impact. Rush then said "either he was off his meds or he was ACTING". He never said faked. Since Fox already admitted to adjusting his meds for maximum impact it was a fair thing to speculate about.

How is this worse than the 9/11 ads?

I think your train of thought jumped the track. This has nothing to do with 9/11 ads. In reality it's getting back to the OP.

I merely find it interesting that you are attacking Fox for doing an ad appealing to people’s emotions (on an issue that represents his personal self interest) when the govt got itself in hot water for doing the same thing with 9/11 in previous elections. Seems some double standards are at work here. In other words its only objectionable if “they” are doing it.