Returning Petitions to the United States via 221g

[chiquita 0]

To make it as clear as I can. Thank God, my case was not denied and I never claimed to know how to deal with that. But on the advise of my lawyer and all the investigations I tried to do on my own to figure out the best way to handle the immigration process I choose this path, which in turn cost me a job. I haven't shared all the hardships I've gone through, like some of you so you don't know my background and this might be one reason you don't respect the things I have learned throughout this hard process.

To respond to "most case are DECIDED for approval or denial PRIOR to the interview." ------------>I think you answered yourself. This is why I did it. From what I learned from the lawyer and research I wanted to show in my application our committment to the marriage. My biting the bullet to stay in Morocco as long as I did, even at the cost of losing my job with everything else we did, luckily resulted in my husband getting his visa.

Luckily financially I didn't require a co-sponser, but to be safe I had a second co-sponser, so my husband had two, one more of my many attempts to assure nothing I could've done was left undone. In short I believe those that do not do their homework and prepare to the best of there abilities have only themselves to blame, no matter which stage of the immigration they find themselves at. But we all know the cases in Morocco are not always done by the rules, or at least how we have read them. That is why I did everything humanly possible to prepare to make my husbands case go through as smoothly as possible.

Please do not think I am saying I know what to do if you are denied. And please do not take any insult in anything I say, if you have been denied, I am only trying to help. Think of it it this way, I am trying to be on your left shoulder trying to get you little ideals of different ways of looking at the process so you outside the known rules to succeed with your cases. That doesn't mean you don't have a long road in front of you, alot of homework to become an expert on the immigration rules and a lot of decisions on how to fix your cases as best you can.

Since I am only trying to help, please stop attacking me and just because my case wasn't denied doesn't mean I have nothing to offer you. That doesn't make since, why would you deny help just because I wasn't denied. If I was denied, I'd be seeking help from under every rock I could find and then I'd make rocks....

God Bless all of you and hope you are successful, but please stop attacking my attempt to help.

Paula

once again Paula you are wearing your emotions on your sleeves. i cannot see anyone attacting you. no one is insulting you either. actually you are doing the blaming>>>>

In short I believe those that do not do their homework and prepare to the best of there abilities have only themselves to blame, no matter which stage of the immigration they find themselves at.

quite a harsh statement---who is attacking who?

however...

if you want to share your difficult immigration experience on VJ that is a great idea!

many of us have found most immigration attorneys have no clue as to how to handle denied cases. yet we paid dearly for this help. many also "paid" for attorneys to file their petitions and were still denied. many couples paid dearly and got nothing. how is this NOT preparing?

like you stated no one knows the problems many have gone through regarding their case. you mention no one knows or understands how much you went through. i am sure Paula there are many of us who do understand. but this is not the issue here. the issue is how to deal with a 'denial'. how more simple can it me said? no one is discounting your experience at all. the problem is you have none when it comes to having your case denied----thank God for that too!

you certainly may offer up your ideas and suggestions but those of us who have been there and done it will come and offer up our experience based on such. the only thing i disagreed with you on is quiting ones job. bad suggestion. who is going to pay all the fees and costs relating to a denied case??? come on, let's have some common sense here.

chi

Edited October 18, 2007 by chiquita

[ohiobuck 0]

chiquita

If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.

Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.

For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.

In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.

For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.

God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.

Paula

[limah 1]

chiquita

If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.

Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.

For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.

In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.

For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.

God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.

Paula

Sorry, I know I haven't been around in a while... but I couldn't resist!

How DARE you, Chi!!!!!

[chiquita 0]

chiquita

If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.

Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.

For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.

In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.

For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.

God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.

Paula

Sorry, I know I haven't been around in a while... but I couldn't resist!

How DARE you, Chi!!!!!

yeah i know.

help me out here Limah!!!

ask Paula to bounce ideas around so you can get your husband here. keep plugging away---as if that helps. she just doesn't get it.

no one who is denied whats to play games. they want facts. the want answers. not games. this is serious stuff dealing with real humans lives. my gosh most immigration attorneys have no experience with denied cases yet Paula has the answers.

Paula how many PM's do you get asking deperately for help in their case? i get them quite regularly. i am deeply appreciative to be able to help any and all couples get through the nightmare of denail. i dont get how you can be so cavalier about it. since it has not happened to you i am wondering if you feel you should have gone through it so you could be of service to others. just seems that way.

look i wish you would get off my case. i am in no way opposed to any one helping another. but some of your suggestions are such a joke. bounching ideas??? these people need real help Paula not suggestions. dang. you insult yourself my dear.

if you see and feel that i am not here to help denied couples---REPORT me and get off my back! i have no more time for your low self esteem issues. i have tried to be nice but you just dont give up attacking me. this is my last reply to you. anything further PM me and report me.

chi

[chiquita 0]

chiquita

If it seems to you that I wear my emotions on my sleeve, that would only be because of people like you, think you are the only people that know how this immigration system works and you refuse to look at others suggestions or ways of looking at things. I am here to help, not to bully people to believe everything I say. I am glad I have been able to help others through the process and thank God none of them gotten denied. I do not claim to be the cause of their success, but I can see with the work they did for their own cases and willingness to understand their case better to present it better (at all steps) proves there are many ways of looking at each immigration case and if they look at it differently they might better prepare and in the end be successful. But from day one when I first remember you on Visa Journey, you have attacked everything I've said. This only proves to me, you can't stand anyone that thinks differently than yourself, that you can't see what appears obvious to others because you want things to work your way. Well guess what, nothing works any one person way, expecially the immigration process. There are immigration laws in writing, true, but we all know that some cases are not handled properly or couples wouldn't be denied. So except that it isn't fair, that maybe you should do what you can to think outside the box to help you case at whatever stage your are at.

Please just listen to suggestions, without showing you think you know it all and others are clueless, when that only proves you are not trying to work this out or that you want to really help others.

For everyone else, all I ask is for you to make your own decision and do your own work figuring out the immigration process and anything that you can do to better help your case. That means at whatever point you find yourself in the immigration process, when you first apply and even more importantly if your case was denied. The advantage of talking to others that have gone through this same process is for them to share their experiences, give you suggestions on things they would've done differently, glad they did or bounce ideals off of to see if it could help your case or only hurt it.

In my work experience these are the skills I have needed to be successful in my work to help myself and my employees succeed and I found it even more important that I had these skills during the immigration process. And I am lucky to have been able to help people and to see them through the immigration process and their thanks and appreciation is worth more than any money I could've received. Plus it makes me feel like I am paying back for my husband, if you know what I mean.

For those who want someone to bounce ideals off of, or any help I can offer, let me know that is why I stay on VJ. And for all of you stay positive and work your ### off in everyway possible to be successful with this immigration process. Don't give up, just keep plugging away and I am here to help and so are others. I wish I could do more, I am not able to force the government to give your case approval, I am not an export, but I am no dummy, I have some useful skills that can help you like I've helped my own case and others.

God Bless you in your steps to get through the immigration process and I hope people can see what I am saying and to stop being childish.

Paula

Sorry, I know I haven't been around in a while... but I couldn't resist!

How DARE you, Chi!!!!!

yeah i know.

help me out here Limah!!!

ask Paula to bounce ideas around so you can get your husband here. keep plugging away---as if that helps. she just doesn't get it.

no one who is denied whats to play games. they want facts. they want answers. not games. this is serious stuff dealing with real humans lives. my gosh most immigration attorneys have no experience with denied cases yet Paula has the answers.

Paula how many PM's do you get asking deperately for help in their case? i get them quite regularly. i am deeply appreciative to be able to help any and all couples get through the nightmare of denial. i dont get how you can be so cavalier about it. since it has not happened to you i am wondering if you feel you should have gone through it so you could be of service to others. just seems that way.

look i wish you would get off my case. i am in no way opposed to any one helping another. but some of your suggestions are such a joke. bounching ideas??? these people need real help Paula not suggestions. dang. you insult yourself my dear.

if you see and feel that i am not here to help denied couples---REPORT me and get off my back! i have no more time for your low self esteem issues. i have tried to be nice but you just dont give up attacking me. this is my last reply to you. anything further PM me and report me.

chi

i wish these useless conversations could be deleted...lets get back on track discussing the REAL issue >>>>>>>>>>>>

RETURNED CASE TO USCIS!!!

and leave the personal attacks elsewhere. if some one knows about these types of case by all means>>>>>>>>>>

HELP THESE COUPLES.

but do it in concrete ways.

what is the next step they need to take?

what should they be doing until their case is fianlly resolved?

K 1 are now allowed to expire and the OP is told to refile if they want to. what does that mean??

what can the couple do now to help their case?

there are so many issues here that need to be resolved.

yet time and time again the couple goes into a state of shock over what just happened to them. they are clueless and kept in the dark by the DOS. what can they do to get answers?

and on and on....

chi

oh and BTW....my immigration process is DONE. i am not here seeking help. i am here to help those who request it. i do not claim to be an expert. my only claim is DENIAL happened to us and we fought back....sometimes blindly and we won. i have met many couples who suffered the same fate. some have their men by their side and many more are still waiting to have that happen to them. ask them about me.

Edited November 11, 2007 by chiquita

[sarah and hicham 3]

Oh good Chi, you were able to get the last word in. Bravo!

You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.

Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.

Congratulations on your PM's.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Oh good Chi, you were able to get the last word in. Bravo!

You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.

Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.

Congratulations on your PM's.

[chiquita 0]

Oh good Chi, you were able to get the last word in. Bravo!

You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.

Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.

Congratulations on your PM's.

perhaps you should read the whole thread before you condem me. her suggestions were ridiculous to say the least. (quiting your job????) so if anyone who has been denied and wants her help i say go for it. i am not here for the drama. never have never will. i merely post what i know not what i guess.

so for all those denied a visa>>>>

ask Paula and Sarah...they have the kindest gentlest advice for you.

for those who want the cold hard facts of overcoming a denial>>>>

i shall continue to answer you with truth and valid ways to overcome and get your loved one here.

there are you both happy now?

chi

[sarah and hicham 3]

Oh good Chi, you were able to get the last word in. Bravo!

You're right, you're the only person who can give help, Paula isn't allowed to because this is a popularity contest and you're trying to get your votes. Everyone here is allowed to offer help and I think you could find other things to argue about than Paula trying to help people. Everyone has their own perspective on things and what you might think is helpful to others may not be in the eyes of other members and vice versa.

Paula helped me a lot in my case and I know she has helped others.

Congratulations on your PM's.

perhaps you should read the whole thread before you condem me. her suggestions were ridiculous to say the least. (quiting your job????) so if anyone who has been denied and wants her help i say go for it. i am not here for the drama. never have never will. i merely post what i know not what i guess.

so for all those denied a visa>>>>

ask Paula and Sarah...they have the kindest gentlest advice for you.

for those who want the cold hard facts of overcoming a denial>>>>

i shall continue to answer you with truth and valid ways to overcome and get your loved one here.

there are you both happy now?

chi

Oh my Gosh!

Why can't everyone be helpful? What kind of award are you looking for here?

Do you really think that Paula or myself are trying to hinder someone's chances at getting their visa? I never said I am an expert, especially in returned petitions but it just seems like you absolutely will not accept anyone trying to help besides yourself. It's a bit strange.

[chiquita 0]

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Oh my Gosh!

YES---THAT IS MY NAME---SPELLED DIFFERNT THOUGH

Why can't everyone be helpful?

EVERYONE CAN BE HELPFUL

What kind of award are you looking for here?

THE BEST ONE OF ALL----COUPLE GETS A VISA!!!!!

Do you really think that Paula or myself are trying to hinder someone's chances at getting their visa?

I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO HELP THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED A VISA AND MAY NOT KNOW THAT YOUR ADVICE IS NOT CORRECT. REMEMBER THIS IS NOT ABOUT GETTING A VISA---IT IS ABOUT COUPLES WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED A VISA. TWO SEPARATE SITUATIONS.

I never said I am an expert, especially in returned petitions

ME EITHER. JUST BEEN THROUGH IT AND LEARNED A LOT. I ALSO KEEP UP TO DATE ON THE LATEST WITH RETURNED CASES.

but it just seems like you absolutely will not accept anyone trying to help besides yourself.

I TREASURE ANYONE WHO CAN BE OF HELP TO THESE COUPLES. BAD ADVICE IN ANY SITUATION IS A PET PEEVE FOR ME. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO HELP DENIED COUPLES BESIDES MYSELF. THEY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH ME, SO WHY DO YOU?

It's a bit strange.

ONLY YOU HAVE SAID SO----STRANGE INDEED.

now to answer>>>

i thought the thread was about returned petitions.

excuse me.

anyone can help anyone Sarah.

i am the one under attack. not you. not Paula. re read the thread. she attacks me. for what reason? what have i done to her? nothing. although she goes on and on how i failed to understand what she went through in her visa journey. as i read her story it is true she did go through a lot. but why is so important for me to understand?? i sympathize with what she went through but her man is here. how happy is that? wonderfully happy in my opinion!!! she feels like i have never liked her. dang. i cant get it right with her and i am not trying to either. accept my sympathy and move on.

i am here to help those who have been DENIED. that is all. if someone is going to post a falsehood on this subject or post some very bad advice i am going to respond. plain and simple. if it is not liked i dont care. popularity has never been an issue with me. facts and truth are more important to me.

i know what these couples are feeling. do you???

i know what it feels like to have my government treat me like a criminal without a trial. do you???

i know the anguish of trying to find out what the he$$ happened. do you???

do you know the next step to take once you realize you have been denied??? yes, realize is the word becasue the CO does not tell the truth to the benificary.

this process is crazy to say the least. offer up all your advice. offer up all your suggestions. you are entitled to help any and all that you want to. no one can stop you. but let me tell you one thing---if it is not true or incorrect---trust me---i'll be right here to say so. i dont care who likes it. i am not going to let a couple suffer more anguish with incorrect info!!!!!!!! plain and simple.

BTW---your attacks will NEVER stop me from helping these couples. i know all the theories out there on why a couple gets denied. total bunk. there is no reason in MOST cases.

if you only knew this is a political game that DOS is playing ith USCIS. USCIS approves the petition and sends it off to DOS. DOS decides they want to readjuducate what USCIS has done and returns the case for revocation. USCIS reaffirms the case and tells DOS to issue the visa!!! ummm...no where is the denied couple a parter to this to and fro. but you both already knew this, right?

a couple could be denied based on what the CO reads in the case prior to the interview----clue to predetermined denial---CO refuses to want to see proof of relationship. he/she has predetermined they will deny the couple based on their own preconceived ideas. but you knew that too.

just though i would throw those in for the couples who are going through the process so they can be on the look out for clues during the interview.

oh and for couples denied K 1's through California>>>>

all you can do at the moment is refile. CSC is no longer sending out NOIR's (notice of intent to revoke)

for couples who filed through Vermont>>>>>

you are SOOL...they sit on them and ignore them claiming returned cases are NOT a priority.

i know you and Paula know this too but i thought it would be nice to post it as an FYI for those who dont know.

chi

PS

done done done!!!!!!!!!!!

[sarah and hicham 3]

Ok, you win. I give up. You don't get it.

[morocco4ever 63]

Yeah this is getting really old. I don't see what the purpose of discussing ways to prove your case once it has been denied. It was denied, they don't give you another chance at the consulate until you follow certain procedures. I know that when I was denied I had all of the same proof that I won our case with in the end. What I needed to know was why it happened, and what comes next. There are certain steps that a person can and must take. Bouncing ideas back and forth on what you should have done has no bearing on this except for the people who haven't reached this stage yet. Those are the ones that are helped with your ideas, the ones that haven't been denied yet. Although quiting ones job and moving to another country is a bit extreme, and should only be done by those who have the means to live while not being paid, and that have people that are willing to be a co sponsor. What is coming, what you must do...that is what these people need to know.

Sarah, I realize that Paula gave you some good advice, and you are rightfully grateful to her. You however did not have a case that warranted a deeper review. Obviously neither did Paula. Just be grateful to those who helped with the processes of a normal application. We are not discounting any ones advice on any of this. We are simply giving solid guidelines to what they need to plan on in the case of returned petitions.

Hopefully this will be the end of the personal attacks so we can get back to purpose of this thread.

[sarah and hicham 3]

mmmmk.

[Philomena 0]

Salaam Everyone,

Just a quick note to let you all know that our K1 was reaffirmed at California Service Center in November 2007. It's enroute to NVC and we're gearing up for interview #2 hopefully in January or February 2008. This time, I'll make sure to be there, inshaAllah. I didn't have to do an appeal or rebuttal; The lady at the infopass appointment told me that all the evidence presented with the original petition was sufficient for a reapproval. Thanks to everyone who has offered support and encouragement along the way. I'd especially love to hear from folks who have had a second interview in Casa and can give pointers.

Happy Holidays to All,

Iysha

[morocco4ever 63]

This is truly great news, congratulations.

Our second interview was very different from the first. No questions asked at all. They just wanted updated I-864, police report, medical. Once they had it all he was issued the visa. I hope your second interview goes as easy as ours did.