Returning Petitions to the United States via 221g

[ohiobuck 0]

Sounds like you have to decide which is more important, your job or marry your love. Think of it this way, if you marry him and lose a job to do it, you can sure use it to prove your commitment at the K3 interview. Wish you good luck.

God Bless,

Paula

hello:

i m new in this forum . my fiancee's file was sent back to uscis. i sent yesterday an email to each senator and representative in my state. i sent an email to cas, rabat ambassy. i sent an email to the state department and i m still gonna go tuesday to each senator and representative's office. i will fight them until the end because this is BS. enough is enough. the fees are so high that they think we will give up but they are wrong. there is anybody who got his file over turn after they send it back to USCIS?and was given a visa? et me know thanks

what did you say in your e mail to the consulate? sending an e mail to the embasy will do nothing. actually sending one to casa wont either but it does help to blow off steam. the same can be said of sending e mails to anyone including Pres Bush.

instead of sending an e mail to your reps---call them and get them on your case. you will have to fax a release for them to get info for you from casa. that is pretty much all they can do for you but at least you will have an answer as to WHY you were denied. most couples who are denied out of casa is "due to the validity of the relationship". could this be the reason for yours as well?

dont worry---if it was it will be quite easy to over come. this happened to us in 05 and has happened to many couples---you are not ALONE. not that it makes you feel any better but please know you will one day get a visa for your loved one.

first---what service center did you file with? that is important as you will later learn. have you read the pinned section about case being returned? if not go and read it. skip the stuff that is not related to you but absorb the stuff that does relate.

did you read the letter your fiance received form the consulate to make sure your case was really returned and not sent for security checks? just wanting to make sure that your case was really sent back. all applicants get the 221 g letter but for 2 different reasons.

i sent you a personal message.

chi

the congresswoman in my state told me that i have to go back there and marry my fiancee. she said that even if marriage doesn t guarantee that she will come here. at this time i just got a new job and it is impossible for me to go back to morocco and marry my love. any other suggestions? thanks

[chiquita 0]

hello:

i m new in this forum . my fiancee's file was sent back to uscis. i sent yesterday an email to each senator and representative in my state. i sent an email to cas, rabat ambassy. i sent an email to the state department and i m still gonna go tuesday to each senator and representative's office. i will fight them until the end because this is BS. enough is enough. the fees are so high that they think we will give up but they are wrong. there is anybody who got his file over turn after they send it back to USCIS?and was given a visa? et me know thanks

what did you say in your e mail to the consulate? sending an e mail to the embasy will do nothing. actually sending one to casa wont either but it does help to blow off steam. the same can be said of sending e mails to anyone including Pres Bush.

instead of sending an e mail to your reps---call them and get them on your case. you will have to fax a release for them to get info for you from casa. that is pretty much all they can do for you but at least you will have an answer as to WHY you were denied. most couples who are denied out of casa is "due to the validity of the relationship". could this be the reason for yours as well?

dont worry---if it was it will be quite easy to over come. this happened to us in 05 and has happened to many couples---you are not ALONE. not that it makes you feel any better but please know you will one day get a visa for your loved one.

first---what service center did you file with? that is important as you will later learn. have you read the pinned section about case being returned? if not go and read it. skip the stuff that is not related to you but absorb the stuff that does relate.

did you read the letter your fiance received form the consulate to make sure your case was really returned and not sent for security checks? just wanting to make sure that your case was really sent back. all applicants get the 221 g letter but for 2 different reasons.

i sent you a personal message.

chi

the congresswoman in my state told me that i have to go back there and marry my fiancee. she said that even if marriage doesn t guarantee that she will come here. at this time i just got a new job and it is impossible for me to go back to morocco and marry my love. any other suggestions? thanks

your congressman is WRONG!!!

you do NOT need to do that. only do it if you want to do it.

did your congressman find out the reason your case was denied and returned?

what service center did you file with? the gist right now is to file an aother application---USCIS is not reveiwing denied cases. by the time you hear this you may well have an answer to your first case. this is NOT what you want to hear i know but these are the facts we have for now.

there is an attrorney here who deals specifically with denied couples---he can help you.

chi

[chiquita 0]

Sounds like you have to decide which is more important, your job or marry your love. Think of it this way, if you marry him and lose a job to do it, you can sure use it to prove your commitment at the K3 interview. Wish you good luck.

God Bless,

Paula

she need NOT do this Paula. why should she lose her hard earned job due to a CO who refuses to give the reason for their denial?? this couple will be needing lots of finances to prove their innocence. how on earth can they do that without her having no job??? certainly it cant be done on the his wages earned in Morocco! remember they are up against the American government and that is very expensive !!!

she should marry him where and when it is good for them not to impress a CO.

i say fight them and WIN!!! it can and is done! many couples have/are facing this same situation and are following the advice from those who have been through this rather long nightmareish process of denial and won!

one day---we can only hope soon---CO's will follow their own guidelines when in doubt about a couple's relationship. one suggestion is to video tape them. then the proof is there for each side to see what happened. right now CO's are LYING about relationships based on who knows what. this is so WRONG!!! and the couple has no proof to their innocence.

the good news is this>>>>

USCIS has reaffirmed couples and requests DOS to issue a visa!!!

the bad news is>>>>

USCIS has stopped reviewing these returned cases!!!

the couple has no recourse except refile again! some couples have been waiting 2 (or more) years to hear what is going on with their returned petition!!!! returned cases should be PRIORITY since the couples have already been through the approval process once.

these couples NEED valid advice---not bad advice such as quiting thier jobs to prove their love and innocence!!!

chi

[ohiobuck 0]

This decision is yours, not any of ours. You have to decide based on everything. Maybe it's not 100% necessary for you to go to Morocco, but you may decide like I did it's worth sacrificing a job to get married and get him here with you. I had a new job, I lost it to marry my husband, but that was my decision, because I felt like it would help my husbands case to get here with me. And luckily it did. But like I said, it's your decision, you have to decide what you should do, what you are willing to do and what is best for your case since every couples case is different. Some people are know it all's here, they act like they are experts, but none of us are. So research what you have to do, research and try to figure our what will help your case be successful to get your love here asap. In short do what is needed for your case.

I wish you the best of luck and I am praying for you. Hopefully you don't have to go to Morocco and lose your job, but if you decide like I did I can sure understand how love is the most important thing.

To the rest of you, why can't you see sometimes the rules say one thing, on what you need to do. But as we all know, we have to prove to humans with judgemental opinions (the US Consulate) to get these visas, and I say we should do everything humanly possible to be successful. But why should I be surprised by these people that only like to attack ideals that are suggestions to help cases work successfully by looking how ways to put our cases in the best light to get the US Consulates to approve our Visa's. I think we all know they deny cases for unfair reasons that are not in the rules, and yes this is not fair. But why continue to deny they do not do this and not try to think of ways to make them think our cases are true and deserving of visas. That is what my husband and I did, we worked very hard from every step of the way to do things that would prove our relationship is true so we could fix any red flags and prove ourselves to get our relationships. And one of the ways I tried to prove myself was biting the bullet and going to Morocco even if it meant, bye bye new job. Jobs can be found, love is too important..................

God Bless, and I wish you luck in this process and in making your decision on every part of the immigration process so you are successful in the end.

Paula

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Paula, good to see you posting; it's been too long. Insha'allah, all is well with you and your husband!

[morocco4ever 63]

I'm confused Paula....was your case denied and this is how you fought it? I really think in a situation of returned petitions a person is wiser to listen to another person that has been through it before and won. There is no comparison to a case that has been returned as there is too one that was approved without incident. This is a very serious situation. They are not just saying prove your relationship is real they are actually telling the USCIS to revoke the petiiton based on fraud. You can't take chances at screwing this up at this point.

If I had quit my job to marry my husband all I would have had at that point is a returned petition and the impossible task of finding a co sponsor. I chose to listen to Chi's advise and now I have my true love here with me, as well as the fantastic job that would have been next to impossible to replace. Love is worth everything, but we must be adults about it as well.

[chiquita 0]

just as an FYI---

most case are DECIDED for approval or denial PRIOR to the interview.

if you happen to be one of those couples whose case was selected for denial---there is absolutley no way for you to know until the moment you recieve that LETTER. there is little chance you will be able to overcome this selection unless one is very cleaver and can proof beyond a shadow that they are indeed a bonavide couple in less than the 5 minutes allotted the beneficiary at the time of the interview. then and then it is a toss up to the state of mind the CO is in.

good luck everyone!

chi

[sarah and hicham 3]

Why is everyone jumping on Paula? She is not trying to harm anyone.

[ohiobuck 0]

To make it as clear as I can. Thank God, my case was not denied and I never claimed to know how to deal with that. But on the advise of my lawyer and all the investigations I tried to do on my own to figure out the best way to handle the immigration process I choose this path, which in turn cost me a job. I haven't shared all the hardships I've gone through, like some of you so you don't know my background and this might be one reason you don't respect the things I have learned throughout this hard process.

To respond to "most case are DECIDED for approval or denial PRIOR to the interview." ------------>I think you answered yourself. This is why I did it. From what I learned from the lawyer and research I wanted to show in my application our committment to the marriage. My biting the bullet to stay in Morocco as long as I did, even at the cost of losing my job with everything else we did, luckily resulted in my husband getting his visa.

Luckily financially I didn't require a co-sponser, but to be safe I had a second co-sponser, so my husband had two, one more of my many attempts to assure nothing I could've done was left undone. In short I believe those that do not do their homework and prepare to the best of there abilities have only themselves to blame, no matter which stage of the immigration they find themselves at. But we all know the cases in Morocco are not always done by the rules, or at least how we have read them. That is why I did everything humanly possible to prepare to make my husbands case go through as smoothly as possible.

Please do not think I am saying I know what to do if you are denied. And please do not take any insult in anything I say, if you have been denied, I am only trying to help. Think of it it this way, I am trying to be on your left shoulder trying to get you little ideals of different ways of looking at the process so you outside the known rules to succeed with your cases. That doesn't mean you don't have a long road in front of you, alot of homework to become an expert on the immigration rules and a lot of decisions on how to fix your cases as best you can.

Since I am only trying to help, please stop attacking me and just because my case wasn't denied doesn't mean I have nothing to offer you. That doesn't make since, why would you deny help just because I wasn't denied. If I was denied, I'd be seeking help from under every rock I could find and then I'd make rocks....

God Bless all of you and hope you are successful, but please stop attacking my attempt to help.

Paula

I'm confused Paula....was your case denied and this is how you fought it? I really think in a situation of returned petitions a person is wiser to listen to another person that has been through it before and won. There is no comparison to a case that has been returned as there is too one that was approved without incident. This is a very serious situation. They are not just saying prove your relationship is real they are actually telling the USCIS to revoke the petiiton based on fraud. You can't take chances at screwing this up at this point.

If I had quit my job to marry my husband all I would have had at that point is a returned petition and the impossible task of finding a co sponsor. I chose to listen to Chi's advise and now I have my true love here with me, as well as the fantastic job that would have been next to impossible to replace. Love is worth everything, but we must be adults about it as well.

[morocco4ever 63]

Paula, I am sorry that you think I am attacking you because I am not. Your response just caught me off guard because it was stated initially as if that was the solution to the problems. We are just talking about a very serious issue and we are trying to guide them the best way for the long journey ahead of them, not some quick fix. I made some pretty drastic sacrifices that would also prove our relationship was real, but we were never even given the opportunity to show any of it to the interviewer, so in my mind once you are at this stage it is pretty futile to try to prove it to the consulate anything because they have already made up their mind. If I would have quit my job I would have just one more issue that I would have to deal with once the petition was re affirmed.

If I were an Immigration officer, and I saw that a woman quit her job for the soul reason to be with her husband immediately I would have to question that. In my mind a responsible person would not walk away from their responsibilities because they can't live without their husband. A mature person would hang in there play the game their way. I would want the petitioner to prove to me that they made a mature responsible choice when they got married, not one driven by an infatuation.

My husband was fed up with the immigration and actually tried to convince me to give up everything and move there. Okay, lets say I had done that. Where would we be now? We would have had our I-130 re affirmed, it would have gone to the consulate, and there it would have been denied because I no longer qualified as a sponsor. Not all of us have the luxury, nor would I have ever asked anyone to have sponsored my husband. I view it as my responsibility.

I am not saying that you don't have any good advice, but on the other hand your comments that some of us are "know it alls" were uncalled for. It sounded as if you were discounting Chi's experience as unviable. Chi was deeply affected by her denial, as was I. In fact, we have even ran into many lawyers that haven't got the slightest idea how to deal with returned case. This makes it even worse because they can actually guide you in the wrong direction and feel good about taking your money for it. I know because I had one. She filed a FOIA, charged me $500.00, and it turned out that she filed it to the USCIS not the Department of State. And on top of that she didn't know that they are not even allowed to give out the reason for denials. So wasted money on my part.

Please don't stop giving advice, just keep in mind that perhaps some of us have a little more knowledge in areas that you have never had to deal with.

Edited October 17, 2007 by Visa in hand!

[ohiobuck 0]

Paula, I am sorry that you think I am attacking you because I am not. Your response just caught me off guard because it was stated initially as if that was the solution to the problems. We are just talking about a very serious issue and we are trying to guide them the best way for the long journey ahead of them, not some quick fix. I made some pretty drastic sacrifices that would also prove our relationship was real, but we were never even given the opportunity to show any of it to the interviewer, so in my mind once you are at this stage it is pretty futile to try to prove it to the consulate anything because they have already made up their mind. If I would have quit my job I would have just one more issue that I would have to deal with once the petition was re affirmed.

If I were an Immigration officer, and I saw that a woman quit her job for the soul reason to be with her husband immediately I would have to question that. In my mind a responsible person would not walk away from their responsibilities because they can't live without their husband. A mature person would hang in there play the game their way. I would want the petitioner to prove to me that they made a mature responsible choice when they got married, not one driven by an infatuation.

My husband was fed up with the immigration and actually tried to convince me to give up everything and move there. Okay, lets say I had done that. Where would we be now? We would have had our I-130 re affirmed, it would have gone to the consulate, and there it would have been denied because I no longer qualified as a sponsor. Not all of us have the luxury, nor would I have ever asked anyone to have sponsored my husband. I view it as my responsibility.

I am not saying that you don't have any good advice, but on the other hand your comments that some of us are "know it alls" were uncalled for. It sounded as if you were discounting Chi's experience as unviable. Chi was deeply affected by her denial, as was I. In fact, we have even ran into many lawyers that haven't got the slightest idea how to deal with returned case. This makes it even worse because they can actually guide you in the wrong direction and feel good about taking your money for it. I know because I had one. She filed a FOIA, charged me $500.00, and it turned out that she filed it to the USCIS not the Department of State. And on top of that she didn't know that they are not even allowed to give out the reason for denials. So wasted money on my part.

Please don't stop giving advice, just keep in mind that perhaps some of us have a little more knowledge in areas that you have never had to deal with.

Well you sure didn't understand what I was saying and how I was trying to help. You don't know my situation and I was not immature and infatuated so much I jumped into this. I did not quit my job, I was preapproved to go to Morocco by my employer, but I am not a fool I knew I might get burned. But in my case I had no choice or I still would've have even met my husband let alone marry. But I know now no matter how much I attempt to explain you will not be able to see no all cases are similiar.

I guess all I get for trying to help is being called immature and infaturated. For those who are needing help, just don't forget all cases are different, that you will have to prove your case, so do what is right from you and don't trust anyone as an export. Become your own export, and make your own decisions. If I had followed some of these peoples advice I would've been denied too and I don't wish that on anyone.

God Bless those trying to be with their love.

Plus please drop this train, get back to sharing ideals to help people, instead of saying you know better than someone else and that they are immature if you don't agree with them.

Back to the mission at hand, get these visas...................................

Paula

[morocco4ever 63]

Wow you really do take things personally, so I won't even bother. You are right that no 2 cases are the same, and I don't believe I have ever said that, but yes, we owe it to do the research ourselves. You don't know our situations either, so keep that in mind as you try to bash those of us that have had denials. I did do my research, and obviously I did it well, as did Chi. We overcame our denials. Just don't discount our ideas to those that need guidance.

Nuf said..........

[chiquita 0]

Why is everyone jumping on Paula? She is not trying to harm anyone.

jumping on Paula?

harm?

not from me.

but the idea of quiting ones job to show the validity of ones relationship to a CO is not sound advice IMHO. thats all.

chi

[chiquita 0]

Wow you really do take things personally, so I won't even bother. You are right that no 2 cases are the same, and I don't believe I have ever said that, but yes, we owe it to do the research ourselves. You don't know our situations either, so keep that in mind as you try to bash those of us that have had denials. I did do my research, and obviously I did it well, as did Chi. We overcame our denials. Just don't discount our ideas to those that need guidance.

Nuf said..........

yes, it appears that way to me as well. one need not take all that is said and done to heart.

no offense meant to ANYONE.

chi

[chiquita 0]

Paula, I am sorry that you think I am attacking you because I am not. Your response just caught me off guard because it was stated initially as if that was the solution to the problems. We are just talking about a very serious issue and we are trying to guide them the best way for the long journey ahead of them, not some quick fix. I made some pretty drastic sacrifices that would also prove our relationship was real, but we were never even given the opportunity to show any of it to the interviewer, so in my mind once you are at this stage it is pretty futile to try to prove it to the consulate anything because they have already made up their mind. If I would have quit my job I would have just one more issue that I would have to deal with once the petition was re affirmed.

If I were an Immigration officer, and I saw that a woman quit her job for the soul reason to be with her husband immediately I would have to question that. In my mind a responsible person would not walk away from their responsibilities because they can't live without their husband. A mature person would hang in there play the game their way. I would want the petitioner to prove to me that they made a mature responsible choice when they got married, not one driven by an infatuation.

My husband was fed up with the immigration and actually tried to convince me to give up everything and move there. Okay, lets say I had done that. Where would we be now? We would have had our I-130 re affirmed, it would have gone to the consulate, and there it would have been denied because I no longer qualified as a sponsor. Not all of us have the luxury, nor would I have ever asked anyone to have sponsored my husband. I view it as my responsibility.

I am not saying that you don't have any good advice, but on the other hand your comments that some of us are "know it alls" were uncalled for. It sounded as if you were discounting Chi's experience as unviable. Chi was deeply affected by her denial, as was I. In fact, we have even ran into many lawyers that haven't got the slightest idea how to deal with returned case. This makes it even worse because they can actually guide you in the wrong direction and feel good about taking your money for it. I know because I had one. She filed a FOIA, charged me $500.00, and it turned out that she filed it to the USCIS not the Department of State. And on top of that she didn't know that they are not even allowed to give out the reason for denials. So wasted money on my part.

Please don't stop giving advice, just keep in mind that perhaps some of us have a little more knowledge in areas that you have never had to deal with.

Well you sure didn't understand what I was saying and how I was trying to help. You don't know my situation and I was not immature and infatuated so much I jumped into this. I did not quit my job, I was preapproved to go to Morocco by my employer, but I am not a fool I knew I might get burned. But in my case I had no choice or I still would've have even met my husband let alone marry. But I know now no matter how much I attempt to explain you will not be able to see no all cases are similiar.

I guess all I get for trying to help is being called immature and infaturated. For those who are needing help, just don't forget all cases are different, that you will have to prove your case, so do what is right from you and don't trust anyone as an export. Become your own export, and make your own decisions. If I had followed some of these peoples advice I would've been denied too and I don't wish that on anyone.

God Bless those trying to be with their love.

Plus please drop this train, get back to sharing ideals to help people, instead of saying you know better than someone else and that they are immature if you don't agree with them.

Back to the mission at hand, get these visas...................................

Paula

Paula please stop taking things said so personal. she never said you were immature and infatuated. somehow it appears you read into more than what is actually said. no one here is an expert. yet there are those of us who have been down the road of denial and therefore can offer suggestions as what the couple will be facing in their trip down this nightmare road. this is all we offer. we dont claim to know it all. i can only give my experience. where is yours? as sincere as your advice is--it is still not the wisest choice to make when faced with a denial.

everyone can glean suggestions from all of our experiences here on VJ. that why VJ is here. you can always give your experience and be helpful in many areas of the immigration process. however, denial is one road you have not been down so i can see why you may not understand why your advice in that area might not be helpful or even wise sometimes.

once it again you may need to look at why you take this particular subject so personal.

chi