Returning Petitions to the United States via 221g

[tnh9479 1]

I was talking to Hicham last night about the diversity lottery requirements of having the high school diploma. He said some people used to go to a private school and basically get a certificate of attendance thru grade 12 and the consulate thought that was the diploma. Then...they started investigating and finding out how many of them were fraudulent. It seems they could just have their hands full with the DV applicants! (It is no excuse, but I know I the day Hicham went for his interview there were a good 20-25 DV interviews and he said something like 2 of them got a visa.)

Twila

[jennieh 0]

Ok I found some information out incase someone wants to know I asked a friend so im copying what they said.

first time to go to school u study in a primary school 6 years then in another school 3 yrs then high school 3 yrs in the 3rd year if u success u get Bac ( Baccalauréat in french ) then u have a choice to continue in a university ( i think u call it College ) or an insitut 2 yrs or 3 or 4 .... as u want, for 5 yrs in a university then u get master and 7 yrs its ..... i dont know it in english ... its Doctorat in french

This is in morocco they said.

[ohiobuck 0]

I know I started this long discussion about the messed up priorities of the Moroccan Consulate. But what can we do about it to make the family visa priority #1 as they should be?

I know the Moroccan consulate is holding these lottery visas, but can't they see on it clearly these people do not qualify if they don't qualify why do they even get a letter and an interview?

What can we do to get our rights for our families?

And at the same time how can we help Moroccan's from getting false hope and wasting money?

I don't know how to fix this problem, but I wanted to share this with everyone so they can know why it could be taking so long so they are not afraid their cases are lost and they have no hope.

Paula

Ok I found some information out incase someone wants to know I asked a friend so im copying what they said.

first time to go to school u study in a primary school 6 years then in another school 3 yrs then high school 3 yrs in the 3rd year if u success u get Bac ( Baccalauréat in french ) then u have a choice to continue in a university ( i think u call it College ) or an insitut 2 yrs or 3 or 4 .... as u want, for 5 yrs in a university then u get master and 7 yrs its ..... i dont know it in english ... its Doctorat in french

This is in morocco they said.

[babybunny 2]

I was talking to Hicham last night about the diversity lottery requirements of having the high school diploma. He said some people used to go to a private school and basically get a certificate of attendance thru grade 12 and the consulate thought that was the diploma. Then...they started investigating and finding out how many of them were fraudulent. It seems they could just have their hands full with the DV applicants! (It is no excuse, but I know I the day Hicham went for his interview there were a good 20-25 DV interviews and he said something like 2 of them got a visa.)

Twila

thats #######- where they get off saying DV are more important, we got our hands full. ####### is that! family members are supposed to have priority!

[jennieh 0]

They dont do interviews right I remember when my husband had his two previous travel visa interviews. It wasnt even three days and he had the interview that next week. Now how can they do that so fast but us so dang slow? Id say family means more then a traveling trip.

[amal 4]

That is exactly the reason family visas are so slow. They are not asking for a simple visit, they are asking to reside in that country for a long period of time. Therefore, they want to check that person out to make sure that their country will be safe from harm. We went through Amman, Jordan and it was not a nice process.. many many k1 were going thru so much faster than our cr1. I was so mad and just couldn't understand why a fiance could get here with no problems but a spouse took so much longer. I believe it was shonjaved that said "the reason why the priority is favorable to k-1s are because, the goverment has heads up on whom you are bringing over to marry. when you marry withou their knowledge they get pissed off about. they dont have warning so they pentalize us. bottomline the goverment can not play cupid. " This makes sense to me now that I think about it. It doesn't make the waiting any easier or any more understandable but it does make sense that the people that are going to adjust status here can possibly be denied and sent back to their country whereas husbands/wifes will be coming to stay....

by the way.. add me to the list of petitioners to get your topic pinned

[babybunny 2]

the thing that sucks is we all are family members trying to be reunited with our familys according to the precious family life act. my beef is thats not happening. for every guideline the USICS has . there is another rule to trump that- its called AP/AR. however, the situation at this embassy seems to be the " return petition " trump card.

AP/AR means what ever they want it to mean.

[ohiobuck 0]

That statement about K1 Visa's doesn't make sense at all to me. I think that is just someons wrong feeling, because are coming to get married those of us that married in Morocco notified the Consulate before we even started the marriage process so I think that is a bunch of BS and nothing more. Sorry, but it makes no sense and can only give people false hope that the K1 is better than the K3 because of a false statement.

But they should be handling all family based visas before any others. And to say they are checking these people out for the family visas is a lie, they have been checked out before they come to the Consulate and they only sit and wait to be touched to set up our interviews, then more waiting for the big interview date. They don't start checking our security until the interview when they finally take the fingerprints. Why can't they take the fingerprints when we are doing the physical exam, that way the security check stands a chance to be back before the interview so if approved they don't scare you to deaf with limited scary imformation, making you worry for up to a couple weeks that you will not get the visa, until you get the visa finally. Morocco must have a policy of not explain anything or letting you really know why you are not getting the visa, if you are getting the visa they don't tell you until you get the visa call come and pick it up. They must want to not mislead so they don't share any information worth anything.

Paula

That is exactly the reason family visas are so slow. They are not asking for a simple visit, they are asking to reside in that country for a long period of time. Therefore, they want to check that person out to make sure that their country will be safe from harm. We went through Amman, Jordan and it was not a nice process.. many many k1 were going thru so much faster than our cr1. I was so mad and just couldn't understand why a fiance could get here with no problems but a spouse took so much longer. I believe it was shonjaved that said "the reason why the priority is favorable to k-1s are because, the goverment has heads up on whom you are bringing over to marry. when you marry withou their knowledge they get pissed off about. they dont have warning so they pentalize us. bottomline the goverment can not play cupid. " This makes sense to me now that I think about it. It doesn't make the waiting any easier or any more understandable but it does make sense that the people that are going to adjust status here can possibly be denied and sent back to their country whereas husbands/wifes will be coming to stay....

by the way.. add me to the list of petitioners to get your topic pinned

[tnh9479 1]

That statement about K1 Visa's doesn't make sense at all to me. I think that is just someons wrong feeling, because are coming to get married those of us that married in Morocco notified the Consulate before we even started the marriage process so I think that is a bunch of BS and nothing more. Sorry, but it makes no sense and can only give people false hope that the K1 is better than the K3 because of a false statement.

But they should be handling all family based visas before any others. And to say they are checking these people out for the family visas is a lie, they have been checked out before they come to the Consulate and they only sit and wait to be touched to set up our interviews, then more waiting for the big interview date. They don't start checking our security until the interview when they finally take the fingerprints. Why can't they take the fingerprints when we are doing the physical exam, that way the security check stands a chance to be back before the interview so if approved they don't scare you to deaf with limited scary imformation, making you worry for up to a couple weeks that you will not get the visa, until you get the visa finally. Morocco must have a policy of not explain anything or letting you really know why you are not getting the visa, if you are getting the visa they don't tell you until you get the visa call come and pick it up. They must want to not mislead so they don't share any information worth anything.

Paula

At first, I had wondered that too. Why not get the fingerprints done at the time of the medical? After I thought more about it, however, it made financial sense. Not everyone going through the consulate is going to be approved. Can you imagine the FBI backlog if ALL applicants had their fingerprints submitted? Holy heck! People would be waiting 5 times as long as they are now. I also had wondered why when entering on a K-1 and having to adjust status you had to go back through all the checks. I have since found out that fingerprints/IBIS check/etc. have a 90 day limit. So...if it has been longer than that, here you go again!

Twila

BTW...I saw my name on the inside of my husband's folder at our AOS interview showing they had done an IBIS check on me too! (YES...I kept my eyes on his folder. I was amazed at the stuff they keep. All the envelopes you ever mailed anything to them in, etc.)

[honeyblonde 0]

That's cool to know Twila. I wondered if they did background checks on us too. I was worried that could be a problem for me because I work government contracts so I have security clearance. We're briefed frequently about how we can't disclose anything to a non-US citizen so I was afraid they wouldn't want to let me marry a foreigner.

I don't really know anything secret, but sometimes I know confidential stuff so I have to talk to Abdel about what I do at work really vague. He finally asked me if it was just to him, or if it was that way with everyone. I had to explain to him that if it hasn't been in the newspaper, I can't talk about it. I tried to explain to him that it's that way even with our commercial customers. When John Travolta bought one of our planes I didn't even know about it until I read it on the internet, and I sit right next to the commercial contracts group. Nobody famous wants local people to know when they might be in town so they can come in and out without getting mobbed by fans I guess.

It's not like I want to keep secrets, but I'm the one that negotiates most of the proprietary information agreements for the company so if anybody should know what is expected of them it's me. With anybody other than Abdel I can just blow it off by being "blonde." "this one customer bought this plane and....". With Abdel, it's different. Neither one of us like to keep secrets from the other so I sometimes feel like he feels a little betrayed by it.

Do any of the rest of you have to deal with not being able to talk too much about work? If so, how does your spouse handle it? How do you handle it? This is the first time I've had to really deal with this since I've been single most of the time I've worked here, and Mustapha never cared about my work so he didn't ask questions or talk to me about it. Also, I didn't have the same level of responsibility when I was married to him that I have now.

[morocco4ever 63]

That's cool to know Twila. I wondered if they did background checks on us too. I was worried that could be a problem for me because I work government contracts so I have security clearance. We're briefed frequently about how we can't disclose anything to a non-US citizen so I was afraid they wouldn't want to let me marry a foreigner.

I don't really know anything secret, but sometimes I know confidential stuff so I have to talk to Abdel about what I do at work really vague. He finally asked me if it was just to him, or if it was that way with everyone. I had to explain to him that if it hasn't been in the newspaper, I can't talk about it. I tried to explain to him that it's that way even with our commercial customers. When John Travolta bought one of our planes I didn't even know about it until I read it on the internet, and I sit right next to the commercial contracts group. Nobody famous wants local people to know when they might be in town so they can come in and out without getting mobbed by fans I guess.

It's not like I want to keep secrets, but I'm the one that negotiates most of the proprietary information agreements for the company so if anybody should know what is expected of them it's me. With anybody other than Abdel I can just blow it off by being "blonde." "this one customer bought this plane and....". With Abdel, it's different. Neither one of us like to keep secrets from the other so I sometimes feel like he feels a little betrayed by it.

Do any of the rest of you have to deal with not being able to talk too much about work? If so, how does your spouse handle it? How do you handle it? This is the first time I've had to really deal with this since I've been single most of the time I've worked here, and Mustapha never cared about my work so he didn't ask questions or talk to me about it. Also, I didn't have the same level of responsibility when I was married to him that I have now.

Well that really sucks! I have a job with confidential information too, but only with our companies financial statement, so nothing at all interesting to anybody. I don't know how you can handle this because I freak keeping any secrets at all from my husband. I am sure he will understand though.

[babybunny 2]

I know i got checked out it was not a secret to me. I expected it too becuse of my job. they did check me out -I interviewed for my husbands Cr1.

[Together4ever 1]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pin this thread. I am awaiting my fiancee's interview and reading through this thread has provided me the information I need to only make my case for appeal (if possible and necessary) but it also helped put my mind at ease. There is an accountability factor regarding Consulate Officers I was not aware of. THANK YOU!

I am protesting...I want this issue pinned!

Petitions Returned to the United States

More and more this is how Morocco is handling visa petitions, and it does not matter the amount of proof of relationship you provide. We need a central place to review/share extremely important information to help ourselves and others going through this issue. Possibly even prevent this from happening to others in the future.

I will gladly create a legible, credible, and searchable compilation of all immigration guidelines surrounding petition return/revocation, research, etc. if VJ would commit to pinning this issue for us. Even if it is only in the ME/NA forum...PIN IT PLEASE?????

~Kiya~

[Samuel + Retchel 0]

My lady in China interviewed Dec 1, 2005 and was given a 221 (G) for additional processing and stated will take 3 months. Still waiting. Hope there will be a happy ending soon.

Samuel

I am protesting...I want this issue pinned!

Petitions Returned to the United States

More and more this is how Morocco is handling visa petitions, and it does not matter the amount of proof of relationship you provide. We need a central place to review/share extremely important information to help ourselves and others going through this issue. Possibly even prevent this from happening to others in the future.

I will gladly create a legible, credible, and searchable compilation of all immigration guidelines surrounding petition return/revocation, research, etc. if VJ would commit to pinning this issue for us. Even if it is only in the ME/NA forum...PIN IT PLEASE?????

~Kiya~

[Together4ever 1]

Patience seems to be the name of this game, and its a crazy ride sometimes. I hope that you will be together with your sweet heart as soon as possible.

My lady in China interviewed Dec 1, 2005 and was given a 221 (G) for additional processing and stated will take 3 months. Still waiting. Hope there will be a happy ending soon.

Samuel

I am protesting...I want this issue pinned!

Petitions Returned to the United States

More and more this is how Morocco is handling visa petitions, and it does not matter the amount of proof of relationship you provide. We need a central place to review/share extremely important information to help ourselves and others going through this issue. Possibly even prevent this from happening to others in the future.

I will gladly create a legible, credible, and searchable compilation of all immigration guidelines surrounding petition return/revocation, research, etc. if VJ would commit to pinning this issue for us. Even if it is only in the ME/NA forum...PIN IT PLEASE?????

~Kiya~