Romney's candid moment

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Romney shoves his foot back into his mouth declaring half of America un-American. Awesome, governor. Truly awesome!

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what."

"There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

"[My] job is not to worry about those people."

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

[Pooky 3,786]

Romney shoves his foot back into his mouth declaring half of America un-American. Awesome, governor. Truly awesome!

He may not be "politically correct", but where is the flaw in his logic?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He may not be "politically correct", but where is the flaw in his logic?

If you gotta ask, I don't think you'll understand even if it was explained. Or do you actually agree that roughly half of the country is un-American?

[Pooky 3,786]

If you gotta ask, I don't think you'll understand even if it was explained. Or do you actually agree that roughly half of the country is un-American?

If you could ever give a straight answer, that might help.

Such as, not being able to view the video clip, where does Romney use the phrase un-American?

Also, point out the flaw in his logic about not caring to try and persuade the 47% to vote for him, because they have already decided to vote for his opponent.

You see, context , as you like to say, is rather important. And you, rather carelessly, left it out.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

If you could ever give a straight answer, that might help.

Such as, not being able to view the video clip, where does Romney use the phrase un-American?

Also, point out the flaw in his logic about not caring to try and persuade the 47% to vote for him, because they have already decided to vote for his opponent.

You see, context , as you like to say, is rather important. And you, rather carelessly, left it out.

The context is provided in the link. Stated simply, Romney was standing in front of wealthy donors claiming that half the country cannot or rather will not take care of themselves and thus support Obama. So, he's saying that anyone that happens not to pay federal income taxes is un-American and that his job is not to worry about 'those people'. Be that college students, retirees on social security or people that work for less than a living wage. They're all un-American, dependent on government and he does not think that his job is to worry about them. That's a winning strategy. I hope he keeps that up. Because if that were a true characterization of the people he is talking about, then he could just go on folding his campaign today. See, aside from these Americans that Romney isn't interested in, there are those that do pay federal income taxes and still support Obama.

Edited September 18, 2012 by Mr. Big Dog

[Pooky 3,786]

The context is provided in the link. Stated simply, Romney was standing in front of wealthy donors claiming that half the country cannot or rather will not take care of themselves and thus support Obama. So, he's saying that anyone that happens not to pay federal income taxes is un-American and that his job is not to worry about 'those people'. Be that college students, retirees on social security or people that work for less than a living wage. They're all un-American, dependent on government and he does not think that his job is to worry about them. That's a winning strategy. I hope he keeps that up. Because if that were a true characterization of the people he is talking about, then he could just go on folding his campaign today. See, aside from these Americans that Romney isn't interested in, there are those that do pay federal income taxes and still support Obama.

So, another non-answer, because you got called on what was actually said, and the context it was said in.

Same old same old.

Does he ever say un-American?

Does he say he doesn't care for the 47%, or that he doesn't care to try and persuade them to vote for him because their minds are already made up?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Does he ever say un-American?

So here is what he said:

"There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what."

"And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Now you tell me: Is it American to be dependent on government? Is it American to feel entitled to receive food, shelter and health care from the government? Is it American not to take personal responsibility?

These are the traits Romney assigns to half of the American population. That is not only an outrage in and of itself, it also reflects on Romney's inability to grasp the economic hardships that an ever growing part of the population is experiencing. Not because they don't work, not because they haven't earned the measly benefits they receive in their old age but because the deck is increasingly stacked against them. I mean, your average college student certainly doesn't pay federal income taxes. Neither do millions of retired people drawing their earned social security and Medicare benefits. To stand there and claim that these people do not take personal responsibility is more than just offensive. It shows who Mitt Romney is.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

What about RIck Santorum saying that smart people will never be republican? That's worth a good lol.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rick-santorum-tells-audience-smart-people-side-article-1.1161335

[Pooky 3,786]

So here is what he said:

"There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what."

"And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Now you tell me: Is it American to be dependent on government? Is it American to feel entitled to receive food, shelter and health care from the government? Is it American not to take personal responsibility?

These are the traits Romney assigns to half of the American population. That is not only an outrage in and of itself, it also reflects on Romney's inability to grasp the economic hardships that an ever growing part of the population is experiencing. Not because they don't work, not because they haven't earned the measly benefits they receive in their old age but because the deck is increasingly stacked against them. I mean, your average college student certainly doesn't pay federal income taxes. Neither do millions of retired people drawing their earned social security and Medicare benefits. To stand there and claim that these people do not take personal responsibility is more than just offensive. It shows who Mitt Romney is.

So, he never said un-American. Got it. So, you lied in your original post. Got it.

And when read in context, he doesn't care about trying to persuade the 47%, because their minds are already made up to vote for his opponent. Got it.

I happen to agree that he's out of line with his generalisations, and a prat to boot. But that does not excuse you from a gross distortion of what he actually said and the context he said it in.

But that not unusual, is it?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What about RIck Santorum saying that smart people will never be republican? That's worth a good lol.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rick-santorum-tells-audience-smart-people-side-article-1.1161335

Like Eastwood telling the empty chair that we need no stinkin' lawyer in the White House. Romney, like Obama, has a law degree.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If you gotta ask, I don't think you'll understand even if it was explained. Or do you actually agree that roughly half of the country is un-American?

sounds about right. Where did he say Un- American ?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, he never said un-American. Got it. So, you lied in your original post. Got it.

And when read in context, he doesn't care about trying to persuade the 47%, because their minds are already made up to vote for his opponent. Got it.

I happen to agree that he's out of line with his generalisations, and a prat to boot. But that does not excuse you from a gross distortion of what he actually said and the context he said it in.

But that not unusual, is it?

So you think the traits Romney ascribes to the 47% that paid no federal income tax are American traits. Got it.

As for not persuading the 47% of people that pay no federal income taxes, Romney should know that 60% of the people that don't pay federal income taxes are - unlike many a billionaire - paying federal payroll taxes and a portion of them actually are Republicans. These people also pay state and local taxes. Roughly 20% of those irresponsible leeches happen to be seniors who traditionally vote more Republican than Democrat. Of course, there are also millions of households making between 50K and 100K and there are even thousands of millionaires who pay no federal income taxes. That leaves the other 15% or so that Romney might not want to try and persuade. Simply put, you can't run for and hope to be elected President and essentially write off half the country from the get-go. And do so under the offensively false premise that people who don't owe federal income taxes are dependents of the government lacking any sense of personal responsibility.

sounds about right. Where did he say Un- American ?

So you think the traits Romney ascribes to the 47% that paid no federal income tax are American traits?

Edited September 18, 2012 by Mr. Big Dog

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what."

Since most of those are dead, felons, illegal aliens, underage, voting in more than one location, and falsified registrations supplied by A.C.O.R.N., all we need is Voter ID, and Romney wins.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Since most of those are dead, felons, illegal aliens, underage, voting in more than one location, and falsified registrations supplied by A.C.O.R.N., all we need is Voter ID, and Romney wins.

Yes, of course. There were tens of millions of fraudulent votes cast leaving behind not one shred of evidence. They really pulled it off, didn't they? Or maybe they really didn't and you just need a truck load of tin foil.

[Pooky 3,786]

So you think the traits Romney ascribes to the 47% that paid no federal income tax are American traits. Got it.

Did you even read what I wrote? Apparently not, because you certainly didn't understand it. You pre-judged it, though, then went on a rant trying to ascribe beliefs to me that I don't hold, no matter how much you would like me to, so that I might fit into your distorted and polarised "us and them" political viewpoint.

Can you ever answer a straight yes/no question? Apparently not, despite being given numerous opportunities.

Mitt Romney will never sway your vote, so why should he try?