Google keeps film up.

[Pooky 3,830]

No they file lawsuit after lawsuit in federal court and they get injunctions. Google knows this and pulls down the videos before they reach court.

Which is eminently preferable to rioting and murder, especially when the lawsuits work.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Which is eminently preferable to rioting and murder, especially when the lawsuits work.

The murder was not due to the film; it was a pre-planned attack which used the film as a decoy, in order to create a distraction to cover the attack.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The murder was not due to the film; it was a pre-planned attack which used the film as a decoy, in order to create a distraction to cover the attack.

So are you saying Muslims created the movie ? I am lost on this one. Honestly

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So are you saying Muslims created the movie ? I am lost on this one. Honestly

You have been lost throughout the entire discussion.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You have been lost throughout the entire discussion.

YAda yada yada you going to answer my question of go on another 10 paragraph ramble

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

YAda yada yada you going to answer my question of go on another 10 paragraph ramble

I already wrote a synopsis of what is known about who made the film, which you even quoted, and to which you responded with another "angry irrational Muslim" meme. It's not my fault if you won't read it (hint: it already answered your question.)

Edited September 16, 2012 by wife_of_mahmoud

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

So are you saying Muslims created the movie ? I am lost on this one. Honestly

Ever hear of a false flag operation? Al-Qaeda are not Muslims, any more than the Aryan Nations is a Christian organization.

Which is eminently preferable to rioting and murder, especially when the lawsuits work.

We both know that, but some people just have too much time on their hands.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Ever hear of a false flag operation? Al-Qaeda are not Muslims, any more than the Aryan Nations is a Christian organization.

We both know that, but some people just have too much time on their hands.

AQ are not Muslims. Oh do tell. Darn the whole world is wrong on this one I guess. As a matter of fact the Aryans are a Christian Organization. Their goal is white supremacy not world wide religious domination. The difference is the Aryans are hated in this country and don't enjoy wide support like AQ does in some Muslim countries .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

al-Qaeda (/ælˈkaɪdə/ al-KY-də; Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-qāʿidah, Arabic: [ælqɑːʕɪdɐ], translation: "The Base" and alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida) is a global militant Islamist organization founded by Osama bin Laden at some point between August 1988^[16] and late 1989,^[17] with its origins being traceable to the Soviet War in Afghanistan.^[18] It operates as a network comprising both a multinational, stateless army^[19] and a radical Sunni Muslim movement calling for global Jihad and a strict interpretation of sharia law. It has been designated as a terrorist organization by the United Nations Security Council, NATO, the European Union, the United Kingdom, the United States, and various other countries (see below). Al-Qaeda has carried out several attacks on non-Muslims,^[20][21] and other targets it considers kafir.^[22]

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I don't care what googles TOS is. We already know the government has the power to take down websites.

I'll say one more time, I have no problem with the White House taking a stronger approach with google if they determine that the video is going to put more Americans at risk. It has nothing to do with what group A wants or appeasing terrorists.

You have said it several times so you must be proud of that statement.. So as long as I can get a group of people to act violently at any particular type of video you support the government taking steps to get the video taken down to protect Americans.. right?

So say White supremacists decide to start rioting and becoming violent because they decide seeing Blacks in videos with Whites is offensive.. Easy fix! Take down videos with Black Americans they find offensive so it doesn't put more American at risk.. Bunch of bible thumpers decide to start rioting and getting violent because two guys put out a video of them kissing - hey no problem! Just take down the videos with gay people that are making them upset - were potentially saving lives here!

It is amazingly easy to find videos/pictures/words that really upset some people but not you personally and probably the other way around as well.. You start down the road with your logic and it will never end up in a good place.

The problem is not the video - the problem is not who made the video - Rush Limbaugh could have paid Netenyahu to make a clone of Hitler to team up Ron Jeremy to create the movie - The problem is not with those that are protesting the video - The problem is with those that choose to go over the line in reacting to it - The problem is those that grovel and placate those who over react. That would be the part highlighted in red above.

Edited September 16, 2012 by OnMyWayID

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You have said it several times so you must be proud of that statement.. So as long as I can get a group of people to act violently at any particular type of video you support the government taking steps to get the video taken down to protect Americans.. right?

So say White supremacists decide to start rioting and becoming violent because they decide seeing Blacks in videos with Whites is offensive.. Easy fix! Take down videos with Black Americans they find offensive so it doesn't put more American at risk.. Bunch of bible thumpers decide to start rioting and getting violent because two guys put out a video of them kissing - hey no problem! Just take down the videos with gay people that are making them upset - were potentially saving lives here!

It is amazingly easy to find videos/pictures/words that really upset some people but not you personally and probably the other way around as well.. You start down the road with your logic and it will never end up in a good place.

The problem is not the video - the problem is not who made the video - Rush Limbaugh could have paid Netenyahu to make a clone of Hitler to team up Ron Jeremy to create the movie - The problem is not with those that are protesting the video - The problem is with those that choose to go over the line in reacting to it - The problem is those that grovel and placate those who over react. That would be the part highlighted in red above.

well thought out common sense. Sure to be replied to with a barrage of posts explaining how Terrorist and those that support them are less than one percent of Muslims and Islam is a region of peace and love. The fact that in it's most prominent country Saudi Arabia, women can not drive, vote, hold public office, is lost on Liberals. I find it amazing the biggest supporters of the oppressive Islamic countries is Liberals.. Go figure.

Edited September 16, 2012 by Run Herschel Run

[Dakine10 5,452]

You have said it several times so you must be proud of that statement.. So as long as I can get a group of people to act violently at any particular type of video you support the government taking steps to get the video taken down to protect Americans.. right?

So say White supremacists decide to start rioting and becoming violent because they decide seeing Blacks in videos with Whites is offensive.. Easy fix! Take down videos with Black Americans they find offensive so it doesn't put more American at risk.. Bunch of bible thumpers decide to start rioting and getting violent because two guys put out a video of them kissing - hey no problem! Just take down the videos with gay people that are making them upset - were potentially saving lives here!

It is amazingly easy to find videos/pictures/words that really upset some people but not you personally and probably the other way around as well.. You start down the road with your logic and it will never end up in a good place.

The problem is not the video - the problem is not who made the video - Rush Limbaugh could have paid Netenyahu to make a clone of Hitler to team up Ron Jeremy to create the movie - The problem is not with those that are protesting the video - The problem is with those that choose to go over the line in reacting to it - The problem is those that grovel and placate those who over react. That would be the part highlighted in red above.

Is it that hard to understand? I don't give a rats #### about placating anyone. It's not about taking it down to make anyone happy.

I'm not interested in extrapolating this to infinity. I'm seeing a lot of examples of why the government shouldn't be able to do this when we already know they can do it. We can debate theoretics another time. Four Americans already came home in coffins thanks to this jackass video. Go make your case to those families, not to me.

If the video was intended to incite violence, then it has accomplished what it set out to do. There is no first admendment protection.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Is it that hard to understand? I don't give a rats #### about placating anyone. It's not about taking it down to make anyone happy.

I'm not interested in extrapolating this to infinity. I'm seeing a lot of examples of why the government shouldn't be able to do this when we already know they can do it. We can debate theoretics another time. Four Americans already came home in coffins thanks to this jackass video. Go make your case to those families, not to me.

If the video was intended to incite violence, then it has accomplished what it set out to do. There is no first admendment protection.

Its not hard to understand.. the thinking is wrong and logic is flawed, rewording it does not change that... If a family member read your last post and decided to kill the "jackass" that made the video based on what you wrote I guess it would be your fault?

The video does not incite violence.. It is a trailer of a movie mocking a religious figure and makes no requests for anyone to perform any action against anyone, direct or implied... at all.

To make it clear, below are possible examples of inciting violence (the last two from the Australian protests yesterday which *shocker* turned violent)

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Now this is a good protest done right (sorta): Leaders from both sides (Muslims and Atheist) worked together kept those that got a tad emotional from crossing the line when taunts were thrown..

[Dakine10 5,452]

Its not hard to understand.. the thinking is wrong and logic is flawed, rewording it does not change that... If a family member read your last post and decided to kill the "jackass" that made the video based on what you wrote I guess it would be your fault?

Speaking of flawed logic.

The video does not incite violence.. It is a trailer of a movie mocking a religious figure and makes no requests for anyone to perform any action against anyone, direct or implied... at all.

OK, so if the video doesn't incite violence ..... and the government didn't take it down, where's the problem? And to re-re-clarify, I didn't say they should take it down. I said I support the government having the power to take it down. And they do have that power. The clear and present danger clause of the first amendment gives them that. Obviously the white house didn't feel they could go to that extent. Which is why they only asked google to take it down.

The flawed logic is trying to turn what I said into "pandering to terrorists" or "supporting censorship".

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Speaking of flawed logic.

Ironic because it was YOUR logic being regurgitated back to you.. Glad you caught it this time.

OK, so if the video doesn't incite violence ..... and the government didn't take it down, where's the problem? And to re-re-clarify, I didn't say they should take it down. I said I support the government having the power to take it down. And they do have that power. The clear and present danger clause of the first amendment gives them that. Obviously the white house didn't feel they could go to that extent. Which is why they only asked google to take it down.

The flawed logic is trying to turn what I said into "pandering to terrorists" or "supporting censorship".

I didn't argue what the government did (thought it was wrong), I argued with what you said.. What you said (many times in this thread) is " I have no problem with the White House taking a stronger approach with google if they determine that the video is going to put more Americans at risk".. (emphasis yours). I gave you examples of the flawed logic of that statement.. Now you want to expand/redefine/clarify as if they were original parts of you argument.. They were not.

The pandering and placating was confirmed with another thing you said "Four Americans already came home in coffins thanks to this jackass video" .. Blaming the video, not the people.. I know where you heart is anyway... which also goes nicely with the first Ironic comment above.

So as not to go forever in this.. I'll give you the last word and I'll shut-up on this subject.

Edited September 17, 2012 by OnMyWayID