What's your opinion about Arabic??

[kristen_maroc 126]

My presence with her was necessary not to only protect her, she does not speak french nor arabic, how do u think she can communicate with people? I bet you do speak arabic or french since your husband hadn't stick with you all the time! And i couldn't let her be by herself even for a second, i was responsible to keep her safe, especially Casa is a place where foreigners get hassled all the time by beggers, and the bad scenario if a thief pulls her camera and run while she takes pictures, that is very common here, i don't want her to have a heartattack. She's a pure girl who left one of the largest metropolis in America to go live in the nature.

Whatever makes you two happy is your own business. If she doesn't mind it, then it works for y'all.

But it doesn't mean that it's necessary for a man to protect an American woman if they don't speak the language. Iknow plenty of American women who don't speak French or Arabic and who made it fine on their own in Morocco. One of them has lived there, alone, for 3 or 4 years now, in Rabat. She was able to rent 3 different apartments, goes shopping, has many good friends, and has a job teaching English. She hasn't even picked up much French or Darija, and she's still doing really well. She's found ways to communicate using sign language, English, smiles and facial expressions, and a few words in Arabic. There are many people in the US who don't speak English after immigrating years ago.

As I said-- if it works for y'all, it works for y'all. But it's not necessary for everyone because of what you described.

[SarAyouBliss 38]

Whatever makes you two happy is your own business. If she doesn't mind it, then it works for y'all.

But it doesn't mean that it's necessary for a man to protect an American woman if they don't speak the language. Iknow plenty of American women who don't speak French or Arabic and who made it fine on their own in Morocco. One of them has lived there, alone, for 3 or 4 years now, in Rabat. She was able to rent 3 different apartments, goes shopping, has many good friends, and has a job teaching English. She hasn't even picked up much French or Darija, and she's still doing really well. She's found ways to communicate using sign language, English, smiles and facial expressions, and a few words in Arabic. There are many people in the US who don't speak English after immigrating years ago.

As I said-- if it works for y'all, it works for y'all. But it's not necessary for everyone because of what you described.

I would let her be by herself if we were in Ouarzazate or Agadir where security is at its finest.

It is kinda ironic for someone to go live in a country to use smiles and sign language, i know lots of people like this kinds of adventures, woman are not all the same, and my wife is a sensitive woman, i actually enjoy her perfect femininity, i wouldn't love if she was the outgoing type of woman you are talking about, regardless her nationality or eyes color!

[kristen_maroc 126]

I would let her be by herself if we were in Ouarzazate or Agadir where security is at its finest.

It is kinda ironic for someone to go live in a country to use smiles and sign language, i know lots of people like this kinds of adventures, woman are not all the same, and my wife is a sensitive woman, i actually enjoy her perfect femininity, i wouldn't love if she was the outgoing type of woman you are talking about, regardless her nationality or eyes color!

Well... then I'm happy for both of you that you found each other.

And I'm happier for me that my husband wasn't looking for that kind of woman! We'd both be incredibly unhappy with each other if we wanted what you want! But that's the beauty of relationships-- there are so many different kinds of people in the world that you can find a partner that fits for you, even if other people disagree with parts of your relationship... so more power to you both.

And whether or not it's Ouarzazate or Casa... it's still safe for a woman to be out alone if you use common sense! Some areas, probably not. Some parts of town, definitely not. But going out to coffee or shopping?...

But I agree-- Ouarzazate is amazing: I lost my wallet there once that had my carte de sejour, phone, 250 MAD, etc. in it. I called my phone and the guy that found it was a taxi driver and promptly drove to where I was and gave it all to me, no questions asked. INSANE.

[Peace.... 281]

<br> My presence with her was necessary not to only protect her, she does not speak french nor arabic, how do u think she can communicate with people? I bet you do speak arabic or french since your husband hadn't stick with you all the time! And i couldn't let her be by herself even for a second, i was responsible to keep her safe, especially Casa is a place where foreigners get hassled all the time by beggers, and the bad scenario if a thief pulls her camera and run while she takes pictures, that is very common here, i don't want her to have a heartattack. She's a pure girl who left one of the largest metropolis in America to go live in the nature.

She is probably safer there than here if you want to know the truth walking the streets. There are never stories of tourist being hurt, killed, etc. and if so it very rare.Thieves, and those who beg are every where and in every country.Tourist come to Morocco and scatter every where without speaking one bit of french or arabic just as I did when I started traveling to Morocco. People there speak english and some very well. Mohammed's nieces are young and in school and have learned a great deal of english and they are only 9 years old. Never.... Never.... did I feel uncomfortable and most women here that have been to Morocco feel the same. People were generous and very helpful and sooooo friendly. In Morocco, you will find thugs carrying knives and snatching purses etc., here people carry guns and USE them everyday and could care less to shoot you over 2 dollars or your purse.  Drugs are everywhere, people kill for money to buy drugs, you don't see that in Morocco on a daily basis. Do I feel safe in my own country??? of course, but nevertheless, I am always looking over my shoulder when walking at night, in a parking lot, at the mall, etc. Every Friday, I would drop Mohammed off at the Mosque, go find a coffee house, sit there amongst 20 or more men and could not speak a bit of french or arabic as that came later in our relationship as & most couples. I could order coffee, tea, etc and never felt harassed. One day, a young guy walked up to me and said, it's nice to see an american having coffee with us as its rare to see women walk into a place and feel confident in herself. He spoke english like a pro and I had a very nice conversation with him for an hour. The only people that were corrupt was the police and that was mind blowing.  I felt more terrified of the police than anyone walking the streets.You don't want her to have a heart attack LOL, does she every tell you how often women here are brutally raped and murdered in there homes, in their car, in a parking lot walking from the grocery store???? On the news almost daily, families are looking for their loved ones who are missing and snatched from there home in the middle of the night, and to find out later she has been burned to ashes, or found in a ditch, or at the bottom of a lake. This is our life here and this is what we have to worry about and not some guy wanting to steal our camera or purse. Growing up as a child, I had horrible nightmares of my father being shot 12 times in a robbery and to this day, I can see it. All he wanted to do, was buy me a coke after school when I was 9 and bring it home, but he never came home and it haunts me to this day remembering him like that.

I hope all these years you have taught your wife some arabic (the basics at least) so that she can be more independent and not be afraid to love Morocco when she visits.

Edited September 14, 2012 by foreverwaiting

[Peace.... 281]

I would let her be by herself if we were in Ouarzazate or Agadir where security is at its finest.

It is kinda ironic for someone to go live in a country to use smiles and sign language, i know lots of people like this kinds of adventures, woman are not all the same, and my wife is a sensitive woman, i actually enjoy her perfect femininity, i wouldn't love if she was the outgoing type of woman you are talking about, regardless her nationality or eyes color!

It also depends on how CONTROLLING the man is with his American woman. I had a berber friend who was very controlling and it was his way or no way with his american girlfriend. She couldn't wear anything that even showed her knees when she got there and guess what, she never went back. Thank god, Mohammed let me be who I am, or guess what, we wouldn't be together either.

[Peace.... 281]

Well... then I'm happy for both of you that you found each other.

And I'm happier for me that my husband wasn't looking for that kind of woman! We'd both be incredibly unhappy with each other if we wanted what you want! But that's the beauty of relationships-- there are so many different kinds of people in the world that you can find a partner that fits for you, even if other people disagree with parts of your relationship... so more power to you both.

And whether or not it's Ouarzazate or Casa... it's still safe for a woman to be out alone if you use common sense! Some areas, probably not. Some parts of town, definitely not. But going out to coffee or shopping?...

But I agree-- Ouarzazate is amazing: I lost my wallet there once that had my carte de sejour, phone, 250 MAD, etc. in it. I called my phone and the guy that found it was a taxi driver and promptly drove to where I was and gave it all to me, no questions asked. INSANE.

Kristen, I like your style, you seem spunky and crazy like me LOL. Heck yeah, who needs men to shop and drink coffee in Morocco, just let us be and have some fun. I can't wait to go back to Morocco and me and the girls go out for the night and go to the new mall. wooohooooo funnnnn funnnn funnnn and then go beach at a coffee house and sit back and just relax with the girls.

[Peace.... 281]

I would let her be by herself if we were in Ouarzazate or Agadir where security is at its finest.

It is kinda ironic for someone to go live in a country to use smiles and sign language, i know lots of people like this kinds of adventures, woman are not all the same, and my wife is a sensitive woman, i actually enjoy her perfect femininity, i wouldn't love if she was the outgoing type of woman you are talking about, regardless her nationality or eyes color!

What do you mean by saying " i wouldn't love it, if she was the outgoing type of woman" seriously??? what is considered outgoing to you anyway?

When I told you I drove like a Moroccan in Morocco, does that make me outgoing?

Edited September 14, 2012 by foreverwaiting

[SarAyouBliss 38]

I'm sorry for the way your father died, RIP.

My wife left one of the largest metropolis in America where she grew up to leave behind the underworld, if you are living in the underworld, i'm sorry for you.

I & my wife tried to land in south of Morocco because I"M FED UP of the hectic stressful life here beside the security, She got FED UP before me with life in the city. Casablanca can offer opportunities for better living but not well being which is the same thing in a metropolis city in the US, not the same conditions as to Morocco but the same mechanism of life.

and by the way, if people here were allowed to buy guns, i tell you what; dead ones would be double the ones alive.

There are very or less touristic cities in Morocco where residents can speak more than 3 languages perfectly LIKE PROS or just basics, even beggers in those cities can beg you using your language if they figured you out, probably your husband's place is one of those cities, in Casablanca you would learn a lesson to not be extra confident, unless your stay is limited at the chic areas, If there's a VJ member with husband from Casablanca, ask her about how things were in Casa during her stay. Haha it is not that hard to order coffee or tea , just point to the waiter on the menu what you like if no menu available then it's not for the waiter to figure out what you wanting, deaf people can do more than that.

Ofcourse every US women visiting their Moroccan hubbies find people here nice and hospitable, even thieves are really nice if you sit with them but stealing & hijacking are their professions.

You said that people commit murders, brutal raping and then throw corpses in the lakes, that is common here more than there certainly, it's just our population is 32 or 34 millions inhabitants comparing to USA which is a whole continent carrying hundreds of millions, if Morocco was as large as USA with same inhabitants you would never want to come visit, does this make sense ? I know you visited Morocco so many times, i tell you what; you will never have an optimum understanding of people's mentalities here even if you live trillion years.

What do you mean by saying " i wouldn't love it, if she was the outgoing type of woman" seriously??? what is considered outgoing to you anyway?

When I told you I drove like a Moroccan in Morocco, does that make me outgoing?

I'm sorry for the way your father died, RIP.

My wife left one of the largest metropolis in America where she grew up to leave behind the underworld, if you are living in the underworld, i'm sorry for you.

I & my wife tried to land in south of Morocco because I"M FED UP of the hectic stressful life here beside the security, She got FED UP before me with life in the city. Casablanca can offer opportunities for better living but not well being which is the same thing in a metropolis city in the US, not the same conditions as to Morocco but the same mechanism of life.

and by the way, if people here were allowed to buy guns, i tell you what; dead ones would be double the ones alive.

There are very or less touristic cities in Morocco where residents can speak more than 3 languages perfectly LIKE PROS or just basics, even beggers in those cities can beg you using your language if they figured you out, probably your husband's place is one of those cities, in Casablanca you would learn a lesson to not be extra confident, unless your stay is limited at the chic areas, If there's a VJ member with husband from Casablanca, ask her about how things were in Casa during her stay. Haha it is not that hard to order coffee or tea , just point to the waiter on the menu what you like if no menu available then it's not for the waiter to figure out what you wanting, deaf people can do more than that.

Ofcourse every US women visiting their Moroccan hubbies find people here nice and hospitable, even thieves are really nice if you sit with them but stealing & hijacking are their professions.

You said that people commit murders, brutal raping and then throw corpses in the lakes, that is common here more than there certainly, it's just our population is 32 or 34 millions inhabitants comparing to USA which is a whole continent carrying hundreds of millions, if Morocco was as large as USA with same inhabitants you would never want to come visit, does this make sense ? I know you visited Morocco so many times, i tell you what; you will never have an optimum understanding of people's mentalities here even if you live trillion years.

[Peace.... 281]

My hubby is from Casablanca, did I mention that to you? Well anyways, I plan to buy a home there someday and spend many winters there and will hopefully enjoy my life there. Love the coffee LOL...

[SarAyouBliss 38]

What do you mean by saying " i wouldn't love it, if she was the outgoing type of woman" seriously??? what is considered outgoing to you anyway?

When I told you I drove like a Moroccan in Morocco, does that make me outgoing?

Probably you're trying to find out if i'm a controlling husband, i have good news for you: I couldn't leave my wife be by herself in Casablanca because of the language, because of insecurities, and because she is considered the queen for me, the queen always has bodyguards surrounding her, doesn't she? oh i forgot! Queen Elizabeth II beside appearing on tv she used to go to sit on cafes among 20 men in Morocco, ofcourse i'm kidding!

Regarding your question about " I wouldn't love it if she was the outgoing type of women": I wouldn't like if she was talking to men for no reasons or just sit on a coffee to have a conversation with a man, yes i'm jealous but not controlling, if i found out that she is that type of women i wouldn't continue with her! Outgoing also meant being irresponsible of bad consequences that follows.

We all know that US women are independent just like other women from developing counties, but they should be careful if someone warns them about something.

[kristen_maroc 126]

Kristen, I like your style, you seem spunky and crazy like me LOL. Heck yeah, who needs men to shop and drink coffee in Morocco, just let us be and have some fun. I can't wait to go back to Morocco and me and the girls go out for the night and go to the new mall. wooohooooo funnnnn funnnn funnnn and then go beach at a coffee house and sit back and just relax with the girls.

Ha. I don't know if I'm spunky, but I certainly have my crazy moments!

To be fair, I certainly expect to compromise in Morocco. My husband has made MANY compromises here, and seems to trust my judgement when it comes to a lot of things. I expect to do the same in Morocco when we are together, and I know enough to know that there will be some changes being married to a Moroccan and being there. We actually talked about this the other day, and he said that there are certain places (mainly bars/clubs) that he doesn't find appropriate for married couples to go to... and at first, it bothered me, but I get it. And if it makes him happy, I feel it's a small concession to make.

Also, if we're ever in Morocco at the same time, we should hit the beach and get a coffee at Morocco Mall.

[SarAyouBliss 38]

My hubby is from Casablanca, did I mention that to you? Well anyways, I plan to buy a home there someday and spend many winters there and will hopefully enjoy my life there. Love the coffee LOL...

That's sounds like a great plan to have a home in Casablanca, truthfully you're the first person Moroccan or non-Moroccan who ever ever ever were positive about Casablanca, I'm very familiar with real-estate here in Casa, old residents are starting to leave it, it's happening now, more and more, even my family are considering buying a villa in Tangier north of Morocco, they're leaving it to the moroccan equivalent of rednecks lol.

In 2 years my wife will be able to access an asset which allows her to buy the sweetest home in Casablanca but no, we will invest in Agadir or Mirleft we can spend winters and summers there.

[Peace.... 281]

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Probably you're trying to find out if i'm a controlling husband, i have good news for you: I couldn't leave my wife be by herself in Casablanca because of the language, because of insecurities, and because she is considered the queen for me, the queen always has bodyguards surrounding her, doesn't she? oh i forgot! Queen Elizabeth II beside appearing on tv she used to go to sit on cafes among 20 men in Morocco, ofcourse i'm kidding!

Regarding your question about " I wouldn't love it if she was the outgoing type of women": I wouldn't like if she was talking to men for no reasons or just sit on a coffee to have a conversation with a man, yes i'm jealous but not controlling, if i found out that she is that type of women i wouldn't continue with her! Outgoing also meant being irresponsible of bad consequences that follows.

We all know that US women are independent just like other women from developing counties, but they should be careful if someone warns them about something.

So are you telling me she doesn't talk to American men lollllll come on seriously. It's called having conversation, at work, or whoever it may be. You need to get over that jealously thing once you get here.

Lol.... Ohhhhhhhhh the QUEEN word, I won't even go there with what women here think of that word. You may hear it later from others though and it isn't pretty.

Well hmmmm a woman who can't speak to men in mere conversation will get you no where in America sorry but it's true. Your gonna have issues for sure. My husband talks to women in a mere conversation just as your doing here with me. Is that fair that you can and she can't??????

[Peace.... 281]

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Ha. I don't know if I'm spunky, but I certainly have my crazy moments!

To be fair, I certainly expect to compromise in Morocco. My husband has made MANY compromises here, and seems to trust my judgement when it comes to a lot of things. I expect to do the same in Morocco when we are together, and I know enough to know that there will be some changes being married to a Moroccan and being there. We actually talked about this the other day, and he said that there are certain places (mainly bars/clubs) that he doesn't find appropriate for married couples to go to... and at first, it bothered me, but I get it. And if it makes him happy, I feel it's a small concession to make.

Also, if we're ever in Morocco at the same time, we should hit the beach and get a coffee at Morocco Mall.

Yeah I for sure left behind the bar scenes, etc. Oh i would luv to hang out in morocco with ya. Get a little umbrella on the beach and some mint tea lol. Guess we could catch a tan and watch some beach soccer. Me and Mohammed do everything together, he loves everything I swear. Most easy going man I ever met.

[Mithra 1,185]

I don't think sarayoubliss is against dealing with men in the capacity that most American women have to deal with men. It sounds like he doesn't want his wife to sit around with strange men shooting the sh!t over coffee or something similar. I don't think that's being controlling. What man wants his wife to hang out with strange men? I don't consider myself weak, meek or controlled but I don't hang out with strange men. I talk to men in the workplace, at stores or other similar circumstances but I don't socialize with men other than my husband, father or brothers. I have no desire to. When I was in Egypt I never went out alone, by choice. Perhaps sarayoubliss' fiancee doesn't want to go out alone in Morocco?