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It has been confirmed there is a full length movie. The movie is very much relevant. Freedom of speech does not cover the incitement of violence. It has and does hold accountable political acts that incite political violence.

The Justice Department has openned a criminal investigation and they're going to have to prove that this group that made the film was committing a political act in order to incite violence and I think the evidence so far supports that. The film maker has said it was a political statment. Klein said they targeted ultra conservative Muslim in LA when passing out flyers for the movie, because they thought they'd be interest to see the film. He's also quoted as saying that going into this he and Sam Bacile both knew they would get this kind of reaction and implied it could lead to their death. Someone on Sam Bacile's Youtube account commented in Arabic on a Salafist Youtube account, "It's 100% American made, you cow." The more ultra conservative branches of Salafists do have AQ off shoots. The key evidence may be who dubbed and uploaded the Youtube video in Arabic and sent press releases to the Arab world about it. Also Sam Bacile incited violence against Israel and Jews by falsley claiming he was an American-Israeli in a telephone interview in order to direct tensions towards an already complicated relationship. So he is not only anti-Islamic he is also anti-semintic.

The film makers defense is going to have to be that it's freedom of speech and they were not inciting Muslims to commit violence but to have a dialouge. However, this man's crediabilty is already in question with the false statements he's given in addition to his criminal history. He and a few others are most likely going to be held accountable.

The Muslim world is calling for the US to renounce these Egyptian guys citizenship and deliver them back to Egypt for justice. I bet people from all over the Middle East would flock to Egypt to watch them publically be skinned alive.

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The Muslim world is calling for the US to renounce these Egyptian guys citizenship and deliver them back to Egypt for justice. I bet people from all over the Middle East would flock to Egypt to watch them publically be skinned alive.

sounds like a valid reason not to take away their us citizenship.

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sounds like a valid reason not to take away their us citizenship.

Well I highly doubt the US would take away their US citizenship. Before I forget the filmmaker Bacile is also quoted as saying, "We're fighting a war of ideologies." So he is well away of the his actions and intentions. The US could possibly precieve this as a act of terrorism and then I believe with the new laws they could strip him of his citizenship. I don't see it going that way however because he wasn't the one that commited the actual murders and damange but his intentions were to incite this kind of violence and they'll have to determine and prove that.

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I am fine with the protesters, even though I think it is beyond silly to get destructive or violent over a movie. Lybia and Egypt are very different events. Seattle has legit protests wrecked by small groups bent on destruction which taint the legitimate protesters too.

The movie, even if it exists and is more than a poorly made trailer, even if it was solely designed to upset zealous believers remains irrelevant as an excuse.

I agree that it is silly to get outraged over a stupid film, but what I find intriguing is that AQ seems to be trying to reinvent itself by changing their methods. That is something our intelligence should be keen to. I also think that we as consumers of news events should be careful about jumping on the bandwagon emotionally, because that's most likely what the AQ want. It works to their favor since they've fallen out of favor in the Muslim world. Aside from that, human beings in general protest over a lot of things. The Boston Tea Party was a protest. The filmmaker in this case is a tool - his initial release on YouTube didn't cause any stir, even if the movie had the ingredients to upset and inflame a lot of people. AQ merely capitalized on that. Very clever, actually.

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The film makers defense is going to have to be that it's freedom of speech and they were not inciting Muslims to commit violence but to have a dialouge. However, this man's crediabilty is already in question with the false statements he's given in addition to his criminal history. He and a few others are most likely going to be held accountable.

It is freedom of speech, no matter how you look at it and despite the consequences, it is not the same as yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.

I personally think the movie was unnecessary and inflammatory but all the same it is free speech. It this ends up in litigation I am almost sure it will end up in the Supreme Court and I would be money the SCOTUS will throw it out of the window.

It is free speech and it must be protected under our Constitution, IMHO. Everyone needs to understand that the Constitution of the United States is our version of Sharia law. It is as simple as that and I believe the vast majority of Muslims grasp the concept. The radicals never will because they are not seeking understanding. They seek violence and turmoil and no amount of reasoning will change that. We need not look further than our own shores, and our home-grown hate groups to understand that notion. Those killed this week join countless others who risked and lost their lives to that our freedoms - that of speech included - be protected and defended. That is what the world needs to understand.

These manifestations, however mercurial, are being promoted by the same people who would just as easily burn an American flag or attack a US Consulate abroad if they didn't have a good reason. I don't think the Muslim world is up in flames because of a movie made by a person in a country they know full well to possess different cultural values from that of their own. I think that the same elements of always have used this as an added excuse to promote violence against US interests and installations.

I do think the local governments should be held accountable for failing to protect our embassies and consulates and in that they show negligence and I also think that must be addressed. What can't and musn't be addressed is any question in regards to our freedom of speech. No answers or explanations should dignify any questioning of our rights.

Again, I think the movie is disgusting and low handed and it reflects the taste level - or lack thereof - of the producer. I chose to dismiss it, for those reason, as have many others around the world. To question its right of being produced is akin to setting fire at our Constitution.

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It is freedom of speech, no matter how you look at it and despite the consequences, it is not the same as yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.

I personally think the movie was unnecessary and inflammatory but all the same it is free speech. It this ends up in litigation I am almost sure it will end up in the Supreme Court and I would be money the SCOTUS will throw it out of the window.

It is free speech and it must be protected under our Constitution, IMHO. Everyone needs to understand that the Constitution of the United States is our version of Sharia law. It is as simple as that and I believe the vast majority of Muslims grasp the concept. The radicals never will because they are not seeking understanding. They seek violence and turmoil and no amount of reasoning will change that. We need not look further than our own shores, and our home-grown hate groups to understand that notion. Those killed this week join countless others who risked and lost their lives to that our freedoms - that of speech included - be protected and defended. That is what the world needs to understand.

These manifestations, however mercurial, are being promoted by the same people who would just as easily burn an American flag or attack a US Consulate abroad if they didn't have a good reason. I don't think the Muslim world is up in flames because of a movie made by a person in a country they know full well to possess different cultural values from that of their own. I think that the same elements of always have used this as an added excuse to promote violence against US interests and installations.

I do think the local governments should be held accountable for failing to protect our embassies and consulates and in that they show negligence and I also think that must be addressed. What can't and musn't be addressed is any question in regards to our freedom of speech. No answers or explanations should dignify any questioning of our rights.

Again, I think the movie is disgusting and low handed and it reflects the taste level - or lack thereof - of the producer. I chose to dismiss it, for those reason, as have many others around the world. To question its right of being produced is akin to setting fire at our Constitution.

:thumbs: Well said.

And while the movie is offensive, I find it to be demeaning to say that it incited violence. Just because something is offensive to someone does not mean they have to react in a violent manner. I choose to believe that Muslims can be offended about something without becoming violent. The responsibility for the violence is solely on those who committed the violent acts not on the film maker, he's just a jerk.

 

 

 

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Unlike the dutch cartoonist whose act of depicting the Prophet was benign this case shows malicious intent. If the Justice Department can show malicious intent, which I believe they can, then it's a political act inciting political violence and even under our Constitution freedom of speech does not cover that. Sorry.

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Unlike the dutch cartoonist whose act of depicting the Prophet was benign this case shows malicious intent. If the Justice Department can show malicious intent, which I believe they can, then it's a political act inciting political violence and even under our Constitution freedom of speech does not cover that. Sorry.

The DOJ can try and prove malicious intent from those who distributed the film perhaps, but it will be a tall order to prove malicious intent associated with the message of the film itself, because it is protected by the 1st Amendment.

The same argument of malicious intent was brought up against the WBC and their vitriolic speech at funerals of veterans and it didn't stick.

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:thumbs: Well said.

And while the movie is offensive, I find it to be demeaning to say that it incited violence. Just because something is offensive to someone does not mean they have to react in a violent manner. I choose to believe that Muslims can be offended about something without becoming violent. The responsibility for the violence is solely on those who committed the violent acts not on the film maker, he's just a jerk.

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The issue or the concern is not whether free speech is allowed and protected in the U.S. under law - it is.

To repeat, this is my concern, and it also seems to be the concern of U.S. investigators:

My question about the film and the filmmakers is: did one of the people connected with the film deliberately try to incite violence to coincide with the 9/11 anniversary by uploading it in Arabic in the days just before 9/11, and then informing Salafist (possibly AQ) groups about it so that they could plan an attack ? This would be very disturbing, and this is what investigators will try to find out.

There was a long quiet period between the time the film was made and uploaded in English (which happened last summer) and the sudden, intense new activity beginning earlier this month with the uploading of the Arabic version accompanied by press releases sent out to news media across the Arab world, in the days shortly before 9/11. This is what's suspicious - especially considering that the attack in Libya appears to be pre-planned, rather than a spontaneous reaction to the film.

As I mentioned before, it would be interesting to find out who suddenly started pouring money into an obscure Egyptian-American Coptic Christian group, raising their revenues from not even $47,000 in 2008, to more than half a million dollars in 2010, to more than a million dollars in 2011. It seems to have some connection with the film, as that's what they spent more than half their money on last year. I am sure investigators are already looking into that, as well as their connection to known hate groups in the U.S.

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Can we stop blaming the film-maker and blame the savages who are killing and destroying property.

This was not about the film.... it's just an excuse.

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U.S. investigators have already started looking into the filmmakers and their organization. Somehow, I don't think they will be dissuaded from their job to get to the bottom of this attack and murder of Americans, simply because some people want to paint it as a free speech issue.

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U.S. investigators have already started looking into the filmmakers and their organization. Somehow, I don't think they will be dissuaded from their job to get to the bottom of this attack and murder of Americans, simply because some people want to paint it as a free speech issue.

With the help of the Libyan government, that is being done in Libya where those who killed the ambassador are.

What I was referring to as freedom of speech was in regards to the maker of the film. I do welcome and expect these foreign governments to raise to the occasion and help the US government find and prosecute those who committed acts of murder and destruction of foreign property.

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With the help of the Libyan government, that is being done in Libya where those who killed the ambassador are.

What I was referring to as freedom of speech was in regards to the maker of the film. I do welcome and expect these foreign governments to raise to the occasion and help the US government find and prosecute those who committed acts of murder and destruction of foreign property.

Of course the investigation is ongoing in Libya. I wouldn't expect the nascent Libyan government to have anything near the capabilities of the U.S. government, though, to fully investigate (or even to control such violent groups.) That's why the U.S. has its own investigators on the ground there.

However, the other question that U.S. investigators will want to answer is: were the filmmakers actively involved in tipping off in advance the groups who carried out the attacks, with the intention of causing violence timed to coincide with the anniversary of 9/11 ? This question needs to be answered, or it will likely happen again, and again, and again.

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