‘Anti-Islam’ film spurs U.S. embassy, consulate attacks in Cairo, Benghazi

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I guess you don't understand the difference between:

1) Crime committed by a piece of #######, thug, maniac, deadbeat, drug addict, thief

2) Religious (with Islam the religion in focus) suicidal terrorist

What is not in common between row 1 and 2 is the religious aspect.

"White men kill, rape, and murder" but they aren't killing innocent people based on an interpretation of a religious book.

That is why everyone is so disgusted with the folks in row 2.

How is this apple to orange comparison not obvious to you?

It's not obvious because I don't give a damn WHY someone kills me. I care more about their chances of doing so, and my chances are more likely that I'll be killed by a White guy than a Muslim radical. Most likely, yours are, too.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You don't live in a predominately white neighborhood?

Actually I live in the countryside, but still fairly populated. Young African American Males account for about 85% of the violent crime in MSRA. So do the math.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Actually I live in the countryside, but still fairly populated. Young African American Males account for about 85% of the violent crime in MSRA. So do the math.

Not too many Muslim radicals out to get you either.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Actually I live in the countryside, but still fairly populated. Young African American Males account for about 85% of the violent crime in MSRA. So do the math.

http://www.google.com/search?q=MSRA

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Not too many Muslim radicals out to get you either.

Honestly all BS aside. I don't think I know any Muslims. At least If the are I don't know it. Most of my friends are either GA Hick or Filipino. I know a few Piany from down south in Mindanao but no Muslims.

There are a few of those Nation of Islam Farrakhan types running around lose. I don't know if they count or not.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Honestly all BS aside. I don't think I know any Muslims.

OMG! You're kidding!

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Honestly all BS aside. I don't think I know any Muslims.

That explains a lot.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I can definitely understand what you're saying about mob mentality.

Now, at the risk of derailing this thread into a polite discussion, in your opinion what's the solution? Can't these people understand that every time somebody does something insulting doesn't mean they have to all protest at the US embassy?

"They" don't "all" protest at the US embassy every time somebody does something insulting.

Clips were shown on TV of several hundred protestors in various locations. At the biggest demonstrations (in Pakistan) probably a couple thousand showed up.

Meanwhile, no clips were shown of the 2 billion other Muslims on the very same days, going about their normal, peaceful, everyday business which involved no protesting.

So... which group represents the behavior of the overwhelming majority ?

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Honestly all BS aside. I don't think I know any Muslims. At least If the are I don't know it. Most of my friends are either GA Hick or Filipino. I know a few Piany from down south in Mindanao but no Muslims.

There are a few of those Nation of Islam Farrakhan types running around lose. I don't know if they count or not.

They don't.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

"They" don't "all" protest at the US embassy every time somebody does something insulting.

Clips were shown on TV of several hundred protestors in various locations. At the biggest demonstrations (in Pakistan) probably a couple thousand showed up.

Meanwhile, no clips were shown of the 2 billion other Muslims on the very same days, going about their normal, peaceful, everyday business which involved no protesting.

So... which group represents the behavior of the overwhelming majority ?

Baloney! Them MUZLIMS is always scheming, they are all smiles and sunshine and the next thing you know they buy your football team. Ask them folks in Jacksonville!

[B_J 2,752]

"They" don't "all" protest at the US embassy every time somebody does something insulting.

Clips were shown on TV of several hundred protestors in various locations. At the biggest demonstrations (in Pakistan) probably a couple thousand showed up.

Meanwhile, no clips were shown of the 2 billion other Muslims on the very same days, going about their normal, peaceful, everyday business which involved no protesting.

So... which group represents the behavior of the overwhelming majority ?

My use of the word "all" didn't mean that every Muslim in the entire world is now at an embassy protesting.

My question still remains... what is the solution? No matter what the percentage of Muslims not protesting, the number who are is still significant. And even assuming, as you said, they are just gullible patsies, what's the solution? Every once in a while, something disrespectful towards Islam will be done somewhere in the world. What can be done so that some percentage of the 2 billion Muslims doesn't go crazy and start attacking Americans?

[웃 910]

My use of the word "all" didn't mean that every Muslim in the entire world is now at an embassy protesting.

My question still remains... what is the solution? No matter what the percentage of Muslims not protesting, the number who are is still significant. And even assuming, as you said, they are just gullible patsies, what's the solution? Every once in a while, something disrespectful towards Islam will be done somewhere in the world. What can be done so that some percentage of the 2 billion Muslims doesn't go crazy and start attacking Americans?

It would help if they joined the 21st century.

However IT IS A FACT (and I do have a source) that many are permanently stuck in the 7th century.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

My use of the word "all" didn't mean that every Muslim in the entire world is now at an embassy protesting.

My question still remains... what is the solution? No matter what the percentage of Muslims not protesting, the number who are is still significant. And even assuming, as you said, they are just gullible patsies, what's the solution? Every once in a while, something disrespectful towards Islam will be done somewhere in the world. What can be done so that some percentage of the 2 billion Muslims doesn't go crazy and start attacking Americans?

Well... I can only read what you write:

Can't these people understand that every time somebody does something insulting doesn't mean they have to all protest at the US embassy?

But if that's not what you meant, I am happy to hear it

I thought Sandanista already answered your question - there is nothing wrong with protesting - it should be everyone's right.

But now you have rephrased it to include "violence." So first, I will repeat that violence, attacking consulates, murdering people etc. are all inexcusable (as I believe I said in my very first post on the subject, which occurred in a different thread.) Islam forbids murder, or attacking guests in one's country, or violating the laws of the country you live in.

So what do we do to stop some percentage of Muslims from attacking consulates ? Well, what do we do to stop some percentage of non-Muslims from committing crimes ?

Obviously, the solution is that there should be an effective police force, and people who break the law should be arrested and tried under a formal justice system. This is not always an easy thing - just look at all the ongoing criminal investigations in the U.S. where no suspect has been arrested - often even decades after a crime is committed. Mob violence still occurs in the U.S. and in other first-world countries, and suspects often get away without being charged. Still, the criminal justice system is the best solution that we have in order to protect all people's rights - including those who have committed no crime.

In places where governments are in transition or new structures and new law enforcement systems are still being developed after the sudden fall of a previous government, the formal process of arresting suspects and putting them on trial is often much more difficult. It would probably be to everyone's advantage if we would put our efforts into helping these governments develop such structures, but I'm not sure the American taxpayer is going to like the idea. It's a lot easier and cheaper to point the finger at the "Muslims going crazy" (not to mention more emotionally satisfying as we can reassure ourselves how much more "civilized" we are) - but it over-simplifies a complex problem, and ignores the reality of the lawlessness and "frontier justice" that is common to any country without an effective police presence and criminal justice system (even during much of the United States' own history.)

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

It would help if they joined the 21st century.

However IT IS A FACT (and I do have a source) that many are permanently stuck in the 7th century.

I'd like to see your source and raise you 2 more

[B_J 2,752]

Well... I can only read what you write:

But if that's not what you meant, I am happy to hear it

I thought Sandanista already answered your question - there is nothing wrong with protesting - it should be everyone's right.

But now you have rephrased it to include "violence." So first, I will repeat that violence, attacking consulates, murdering people etc. are all inexcusable (as I believe I said in my very first post on the subject, which occurred in a different thread.) Islam forbids murder, or attacking guests in one's country, or violating the laws of the country you live in.

So what do we do to stop some percentage of Muslims from attacking consulates ? Well, what do we do to stop some percentage of non-Muslims from committing crimes ?

Obviously, the solution is that there should be an effective police force, and people who break the law should be arrested and tried under a formal justice system. This is not always an easy thing - just look at all the ongoing criminal investigations in the U.S. where no suspect has been arrested - often even decades after a crime is committed. Mob violence still occurs in the U.S. and in other first-world countries, and suspects often get away without being charged. Still, the criminal justice system is the best solution that we have in order to protect all people's rights - including those who have committed no crime.

Okay, I'll ignore all of the above since it served no real purpose and certainly didn't address the questions that I politely asked.

In places where governments are in transition or new structures and new law enforcement systems are still being developed after the sudden fall of a previous government, the formal process of arresting suspects and putting them on trial is often much more difficult. It would probably be to everyone's advantage if we would put our efforts into helping these governments develop such structures, but I'm not sure the American taxpayer is going to like the idea. It's a lot easier and cheaper to point the finger at the "Muslims going crazy" (not to mention more emotionally satisfying as we can reassure ourselves how much more "civilized" we are) - but it over-simplifies a complex problem, and ignores the reality of the lawlessness and "frontier justice" that is common to any country without an effective police presence and criminal justice system (even during much of the United States' own history.)

So, the answer is for America to get even more involved in the Middle East?