‘Anti-Islam’ film spurs U.S. embassy, consulate attacks in Cairo, Benghazi

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Quod erat demonstrandum.

what was required to be proved was that more than just a tiny amount of Muslims support Terrorism. I thought that was obvious ??

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

what was required to be proved was that more than just a tiny amount of Muslims support Terrorism. I thought that was obvious ??

Let's see, you're from Georgia. Georgia has some folks who are Klan and wish to lynch the President. Therefore, you must be Klan and wish to lynch the President. You might say, " I'm not Klan, I don't hate black folks and while I may not agree with the President, I don't want to lynch him." You haven't openly come out said that you aren't Klan and wish no harm to the President, thus you and all the people in Georgia must be Klan supporters and want to lynch the President. There are other states that have Klan, therefore everyone in those states must be Klan supporters and want to kill the President. The press comes by and 2,000 people burn effigies of President Obama and have white hoods, the other 5.5 million people in the Greater Atlanta area think that they're crazy so they don't discuss them and avoid them. Who gets the coverage and what would someone who knew little or nothing about Georgia think? The press wouldn't bother to interview or show the 5.5 million average people, they are just too boring and not newsworthy. The press would gravitate to the crazies. Let's say I'm at home watching TV, I see people in robes in Atlanta burning effigies of President Obama, I might easily be led to believe that Georgia is teaming with Klan who are out to kill The President. I see a similar incidents in Alabama and North Carolina and Mississippi and suddenly two plus two equals four: everyone in the South is Klan and they all want to lynch the President. Since "normal" folks didn't condemn it or the press didn't give much coverage of their condemnations, it must be true.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

what was required to be proved was that more than just a tiny amount of Muslims support Terrorism. I thought that was obvious ??

And exactly how did you prove this? How do you define terrorism, as opposed to say, asymmetrical warfare? Do you believe the citizens that democratically chose their government are responsible for the actions that government does in their name? You must, as you seem to advocate the systematic elimination of the people of a certain belief for their belief. Would you be surprised that a few of those might feel exactly the same way about you and your kind?

[sandinista! 1,816]

How many Americans approve of and would never be bothered to remove the potato chip feedbag from their faces to stop drone strikes that keep killing kids, or extra judicial assassinations of US citizens, so long as they're being done to people with funny sounding names?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Tell me specifically what you are talking about. Regardless i would not blow up thousands of innocent men women and Kids. That does not help your cause in the eyes of the world.

Tell me exactly what you are talking about. You say you wouldn't blow up thousands of innocent women and kids. But the U.S. has - and far more innocent women and kids than Muslims have. So where is your outrage ? Why aren't you condemning it ? You have spent countless hours "raging" about "the Muslims" and not one word condemning the atrocities of your "fellow Americans." If I was you, I would assume you condone it.

And what exactly, pray tell, do you think is "my cause" ?

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

How many Americans approve of and would never be bothered to remove the potato chip feedbag from their faces to stop drone strikes that keep killing kids, or extra judicial assassinations of US citizens, so long as they're being done to people with funny sounding names?

You must support the film makers in this entire mess right?? Because clearly CLEARLY you beleive in denigrating and saying things about a population for the sole purpose of insinuating anger. How can you possibly get upset at someone else for doing the same?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

How many Americans approve of and would never be bothered to remove the potato chip feedbag from their faces to stop drone strikes that keep killing kids, or extra judicial assassinations of US citizens, so long as they're being done to people with funny sounding names?

You must support the film makers in this entire mess right?? Because clearly CLEARLY you beleive in denigrating and saying things about a population for the sole purpose of insinuating anger. How can you possibly get upset at someone else for doing the same?

Did somebody identify your demographic?

Edited September 16, 2012 by The Patriot

[ready4ONE 5,400]

How many Americans approve of and would never be bothered to remove the potato chip feedbag from their faces to stop drone strikes that keep killing kids, or extra judicial assassinations of US citizens, so long as they're being done to people with funny sounding names?

Al Wacky had a bit more than a funny name. Funny you can't seem to grasp that.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

What does what I posted have to do with RWNs and their claims ???

This is what I said:

Correct you incorrectly claimed the US continued to back the Egyptian dictator. Read what you said.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Correct you incorrectly claimed the US continued to back the Egyptian dictator. Read what you said.

Actually, it's you who might want to do a little more reading, before you accuse me of "incorrectly claiming" things. The Obama administration expressed its support for Mubarak even as thousands of Egyptians took to the streets, even as Mubarak's security forces shot protestors dead in Cairo, and shut down the internet, mobile phone network and land lines to try to suppress the protests.

January 27, 2011:

NewsHour host Jim Lehrer asked Biden if the time has "come for President Mubarak of Egypt to go?" Biden answered: "No. I think the time has come for President Mubarak to begin to move in the direction that – to be more responsive to some... of the needs of the people out there."

...

Asked if he would characterize Mubarak as a dictator Biden responded: “Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things. And he’s been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interest in the region, the Middle East peace efforts; the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing relationship with – with Israel. … I would not refer to him as a dictator,” said Biden, who went on to imply that some of the protesters’ demands were illegitimate.

Biden urged non-violence from both protesters and the government and said: "We’re encouraging the protesters to – as they assemble, do it peacefully. And we’re encouraging the government to act responsibly and – and to try to engage in a discussion as to what the legitimate claims being made are, if they are, and try to work them out." He also said: "I think that what we should continue to do is to encourage reasonable... accommodation and discussion to try to resolve peacefully and amicably the concerns and claims made by those who have taken to the street. And those that are legitimate should be responded to because the economic well-being and the stability of Egypt rests upon that middle class buying into the future of Egypt."

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/0127/Joe-Biden-says-Egypt-s-Mubarak-no-dictator-he-shouldn-t-step-down?cmpid=addthis_twitter&sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4d421b92d593d07c,0

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Al Wacky had a bit more than a funny name. Funny you can't seem to grasp that.

Go back to eating your funions.

Correct you incorrectly claimed the US continued to back the Egyptian dictator.

Newsflash, they DID. Maybe you missed the news report for the months when this happened.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So this is the (very curious) story so far:

Just a month after he is released from prison after serving a bank fraud sentence, a convicted felon and erstwhile gas station attendant (Nakoula Basseley Nakoula AKA "Sam Bacile" and a slew of other aliases) with no previous film experience supposedly hooks up with a B-movie & porn producer (Alan Roberts AKA "Robert Brownell" AKA "Robert Alan Brown") as well as a well-known Islamophobic hate-monger ("consultant" Steve Klein,) and an unemployed "former screenplay writer"/real estate operator (Jimmy Israel,) to produce a ridiculously bad film supposedly funded by (???who knows???) using an obscure Coptic Christian charity's production facility.

This same charity, oddly enough, suddenly went from less than $50,000 a year in revenues in 2008, to over $1 million a year in revenues in 2011 (also funded by ???who knows???)

Nakoula, strangely enough, is connected to Eiad Salameh (whereabouts currently unknown,) another fraudster who has been tracked by federal investigators for more than 10 years. According to Nakoula, Salameh was the leader of a bank fraud ring in which Nakoula was the "runner." Nakoula agreed to turn state witness against Salameh in return for a lighter sentence on his own fraud conviction. According to the charges against him, Salameh seems to be the same person as "Eiad Salameh Shu'aybat," who is accused of funding Syrian Christian terrorists.

Salameh also happens to be the first cousin of Walid Shoebat, who of course is the well-known self-proclaimed "former Muslim terrorist" who converted to Christianity and appears on TV from time to time as a supposed "terror expert" and anti-Islam spokesperson. (By the way, Walid Shoebat's claims of connections to terror have been exposed as fraud.)

Back to the film. The actors, many of whom are paid in cash by "Sam Bacile" with $20 bills from his pocket, are misled about the plot and intent of the production, and their dialogue is later crudely over-dubbed with words they didn't say. The film's dubbed version contains many scenarios referring to homosexuality, bestiality and pedophilia among the so-called "Muslim" subjects of the film, as well as many references to the supposedly superiority of Judaism over Islam. Although much of the plot involves supposed oppression of Coptic Christians, there are no references to any supposed superiority of Christianity.

An English-version 15-minute "trailer" is uploaded to YouTube in July 2012 by an account-holder named "Sam Bacile," and is virtually ignored.

The full-length film is supposedly screened just one time, in July 2012, in front of an empty house at a run-down theater in Hollywood.

In early September, activity suddenly steps up. An Arabic version of the short is uploaded to YouTube by ????. A Coptic Christian anti-Muslim activist (Morris Sadek) sends out press releases to Arabic media promoting the "trailer" in the days just before the anniversary of 9/11, and reportedly provides the film to Egyptian television stations. This implied connection between the film and Coptic Christian American supporters threatens to inflame tensions between Muslim and Coptic Christian Egyptians.

Meanwhile, the English version is reportedly offered for "distribution" to Islamophobic preacher Terry Jones (famous for his Qur'an burning stunts,) who schedules a 9/11 screening for the "trailer."

After the first violent protests begin in Egypt (led by Salafist groups,) "Sam Bacile" is reached by phone by an Associated Press reporter. He claims to be an Israeli real estate developer living in California, and that the film was funded with $5 million from "100 Jewish donors." Reached at his home, Klein immediately disputes those claims, but also claims he doesn't know the true identity of "Sam Bacile."

And of course this brings us to the most troubling part of the whole thing: on the anniversary of 9/11, an unknown group in Libya (according to reports, suspected to be a Salafist group which may possibly be connected with al Qaeda) uses the film as a cover to participate in - possibly even initiate - a violent riot outside the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, which it apparently uses as a decoy distraction for a pre-planned, coordinated two-wave attack, and ends up murdering U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, who also happens to be one of the staunchest Arabists in the State Department, after he flees and seeks shelter in a supposedly secret "safe house."

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So this is the (very curious) story so far:

Just a month after he is released from prison after serving a bank fraud sentence, a convicted felon and erstwhile gas station attendant (Nakoula Basseley Nakoula AKA "Sam Bacile" and a slew of other aliases) with no previous film experience supposedly hooks up with a B-movie & porn producer (Alan Roberts AKA "Robert Brownell" AKA "Robert Alan Brown") as well as a well-known Islamophobic hate-monger ("consultant" Steve Klein,) and an unemployed "former screenplay writer"/real estate operator (Jimmy Israel,) to produce a ridiculously bad film supposedly funded by (???who knows???) using an obscure Coptic Christian charity's production facility.

This same charity, oddly enough, suddenly went from less than $50,000 a year in revenues in 2008, to over $1 million a year in revenues in 2011 (also funded by ???who knows???)

Nakoula, strangely enough, is connected to Eiad Salameh (whereabouts currently unknown,) another fraudster who has been tracked by federal investigators for more than 10 years. According to Nakoula, Salameh was the leader of a bank fraud ring in which Nakoula was the "runner." Nakoula agreed to turn state witness against Salameh in return for a lighter sentence on his own fraud conviction. According to the charges against him, Salameh seems to be the same person as "Eiad Salameh Shu'aybat," who is accused of funding Syrian Christian terrorists.

Salameh also happens to be the first cousin of Walid Shoebat, who of course is the well-known self-proclaimed "former Muslim terrorist" who converted to Christianity and appears on TV from time to time as a supposed "terror expert" and anti-Islam spokesperson. (By the way, Walid Shoebat's claims of connections to terror have been exposed as fraud.)

Back to the film. The actors, many of whom are paid in cash by "Sam Bacile" with $20 bills from his pocket, are misled about the plot and intent of the production, and their dialogue is later crudely over-dubbed with words they didn't say. The film's dubbed version contains many scenarios referring to homosexuality, bestiality and pedophilia among the so-called "Muslim" subjects of the film, as well as many references to the supposedly superiority of Judaism over Islam. Although much of the plot involves supposed oppression of Coptic Christians, there are no references to any supposed superiority of Christianity.

An English-version 15-minute "trailer" is uploaded to YouTube in July 2012 by an account-holder named "Sam Bacile," and is virtually ignored.

The full-length film is supposedly screened just one time, in July 2012, in front of an empty house at a run-down theater in Hollywood.

In early September, activity suddenly steps up. An Arabic version of the short is uploaded to YouTube by ????. A Coptic Christian anti-Muslim activist (Morris Sadek) sends out press releases to Arabic media promoting the "trailer" in the days just before the anniversary of 9/11, and reportedly provides the film to Egyptian television stations. This implied connection between the film and Coptic Christian American supporters threatens to inflame tensions between Muslim and Coptic Christian Egyptians.

Meanwhile, the English version is reportedly offered for "distribution" to Islamophobic preacher Terry Jones (famous for his Qur'an burning stunts,) who schedules a 9/11 screening for the "trailer."

After the first violent protests begin in Egypt (led by Salafist groups,) "Sam Bacile" is reached by phone by an Associated Press reporter. He claims to be an Israeli real estate developer living in California, and that the film was funded with $5 million from "100 Jewish donors." Reached at his home, Klein immediately disputes those claims, but also claims he doesn't know the true identity of "Sam Bacile."

And of course this brings us to the most troubling part of the whole thing: on the anniversary of 9/11, an unknown group in Libya (according to reports, suspected to be a Salafist group which may possibly be connected with al Qaeda) uses the film as a cover to participate in - possibly even initiate - a violent riot outside the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, which it apparently uses as a decoy distraction for a pre-planned, coordinated two-wave attack, and ends up murdering U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, who also happens to be one of the staunchest Arabists in the State Department, after he flees and seeks shelter in a supposedly secret "safe house."

That film still has you riled up doesn't it

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

That film still has you riled up doesn't it

Oh look... rather than respond to any of the points in my post, you have instead delivered yet another recitation of the "angry irrational Muslim meme." How utterly predictable of you

[Pooky 3,786]

Oh look... rather than respond to any of the points in my post, you have instead delivered yet another recitation of the "angry irrational Muslim meme." How utterly predictable of you

Ironically, the back and forth between the two of you somewhat mirrors the situation itself - minus the violence, of course.