Horrible marriage interview.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

thread reopened.

a thicker skin is necessary during threads like this as some members may offer advice, even from a devil's advocate point of view, or ask questions to fully understand the situation before offering advice.

I am going to kindly ask you to stop posting in this forum with such rude behavior.

you may not ask for people to stop posting in the forum - or this thread.

Edited September 11, 2012 by charles!

[Teddy B 17,252]

Thanks Ceaser & Cata,

Husband here again. Thanks Ceaser & Cata. I was born in America and my family has been here since the Native Americans. I appreciate your support because as an American Citizen I was shocked at the treatment that we got in the interview. I sure hope nobody else has to go through what we went through. Remember you can always go out of the room and call your lawyer, or immediately ask for a supervisor. My only mistake was not calling a lawyer or getting a supervisor during the meeting and abruptly ending the meeting.

JayNarl, I have read the original post 6 times and I still can't make heads or tails out of it. The use of "myname" is extremely confusing and it appears you have used "myname" to describe two different people in your story. But the one thing I can say with some certainty is that I seriously doubt race played a role in this, there is absolutely nothing that points to race other than your opinion. It does appear that something sent up some serious red flags well before you ever walked into your interview. Your lawyer needs to find out what it was that caused all of the problems.

I'm sorry you had such a difficult time and I wish you luck in the future.

Edited September 11, 2012 by Teddy B

[him4life 13]

@jaynarl, you are right for putting that poster in their place, they love to judge and criticize too much on here, thats why i dont post sometimes, or think twice about posting anything

[JayNarl 3]

JayNarl, I have read the original post 6 times and I still can't make heads or tails out of it. The use of "myname" is extremely confusing and it appears you have used "myname" to describe two different people in your story. But the one thing I can say with some certainty is that I seriously doubt race played a role in this, there is absolutely nothing that points to race other than your opinion. It does appear that something sent up some serious red flags well before you ever walked into your interview. Your lawyer needs to find out what it was that caused all of the problems.

I'm sorry you had such a difficult time and I wish you luck in the future.

my name was used to replace our real names

[ceadsearc 516]

I'm not saying you deserved that treatment and I don't think Vanessa is either but it is the IO's job to rattle you. Immigration is a privilege and not a right and you'll see consistency if you stick around these forums long enough - the people who have stories of being yelled at etc. by the IO always have major red flags, and the IO generally starts by throwing a lot of questions is succession at them and when they don't answer, then starts yelling or whatever. I also don't think Vanessa was saying your story was a lie, but that it was clearly perceived as one by USCIS.

I am not sure what a disability has to do with anything unless you requested reasonable accommodations from the IO? Also not sure how a disability like depression (and I am a life-long sufferer) would prevent answering relationship questions.

I am truly sorry you were yelled at at your interview. If you feel it was over the top then by all means complain. But you were obvious flagged for fraud and when the IO tried to rattle you they succeeded. They may approve you now - sometimes that happens. Or they may request more or deny.

[JayNarl 3]

If Vanessa had read our earlier post it stated that Laura was our friend from church. She and her husband had given us the affidavit of support. She is a US citizen by birth. A mother and a wife.

The first questions shot at us were Who is Laura ****? My sponsor gave me the files to mail with the application. She has private stuff in there. Her San and her job information. I am not going to read her stuff. We got it in a sealed package. So for not knowing her maiden name and hesitating. As said in earlier post " we posted this topic because we wanted to help someone else if ever in a situation." We welcome a Stokes interview, we have nothing to hide. VANESSA is implying that we do.

Edited September 11, 2012 by JayNarl

[DandT14 272]

I think you're misunderstanding. Vanessa is trying to look at the situation as an unbiased observer, and from the IO's point of view. Clearly, the IO looking at your file saw fraud. No doubt about it. The question is, why?

Jaynarl, I'm the one who suggested you post your story in the main forum so that you could get help from the longer term members. I was concerned that you were going the wrong direction by claiming wrongdoing on the IO's part. But, I don't have anywhere near the knowledge that some of these other people have.

I assume that your main goal is to get your wife her greencard. People like Vanessa and Harpa are the ones who have the knowledge to help you. It's nice to have people come, pat you on the back, and agree with everything you say. But you're going to get help from people who see things differently than you do. People who can offer new information.

If you really want help, you should answer their questions and be open to hearing their opinions.

[JayNarl 3]

Our lawyer and we are the one's who know the situation best. The immigration Officer never gave us a denial yet or stated that we were being denied. Furthermore, I am looking at the elements provided by the DHS for elements of a valid marriage. This is what immigration officers use. Speculation or hearsay is not what I am looking at. I know I have a valid marriage. I know we are in love. So I'm beyond the point where I have to prove to some here that we are in love and married. The original intent and scope of our post was to help prepare others for possible situations that may arise in their interview and inform them of their rights.

I think you're misunderstanding. Vanessa is trying to look at the situation as an unbiased observer, and from the IO's point of view. Clearly, the IO looking at your file saw fraud. No doubt about it. The question is, why?

Jaynarl, I'm the one who suggested you post your story in the main forum so that you could get help from the longer term members. I was concerned that you were going the wrong direction by claiming wrongdoing on the IO's part. But, I don't have anywhere near the knowledge that some of these other people have.

I assume that your main goal is to get your wife her greencard. People like Vanessa and Harpa are the ones who have the knowledge to help you. It's nice to have people come, pat you on the back, and agree with everything you say. But you're going to get help from people who see things differently than you do. People who can offer new information.

If you really want help, you should answer their questions and be open to hearing their opinions.

[DandT14 272]

Our lawyer and we are the one's who know the situation best. The immigration Officer never gave us a denial yet or stated that we were being denied. Furthermore, I am looking at the elements provided by the DHS for elements of a valid marriage. This is what immigration officers use. Speculation or hearsay is not what I am looking at. I know I have a valid marriage. I know we are in love. So I'm beyond the point where I have to prove to some here that we are in love and married. The original intent and scope of our post was to help prepare others for possible situations that may arise in their interview and inform them of their rights.

Ok, well you clearly don't need any help. So I hope everyone reads this and quits trying to help you.

[JayNarl 3]

We are not asking for help (husband here). We were just trying to inform people and help them prepare for the immigration process as aforementioned. We thank and love all of you who are here with us on this site and we will keep in touch with you. We do have other information, but we are not allowed to disclose this as it is an ongoing process with our lawyer. Thank you for understanding and wish you all the best in your interviews.

Ok, well you clearly don't need any help. So I hope everyone reads this and quits trying to help you.

[JayNarl 3]

My husband is very passionate about our case. Please understand that we wanted to help out by posting our story. Our lawyer is very good and experienced. Thank you for all the advice guys.

Ok, well you clearly don't need any help. So I hope everyone reads this and quits trying to help you.

[huongkhin 9]

my name was used to replace our real names

Sorry for you bad experience. No one should be treated that way.

You should you Person A, Person B rather than "myname". When I first read your story, I was very confused too. Good luck.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

Husband here again. Vanessa&Tony. What we told her was clear and evident as I mentioned above and all evidence that supported the elements of a valid marriage under law and immigration law was overwhelming. Where would you derive such a fictitious statement about Laura? Laura was born in the United States of America, like her father before him and his father before him and so on. You need to focus more on an analytical perspective and stop trying to pick what ifs out of a paper and stop filling in what you believe is blanks with your own conclusions. Married for money? We both are poor. Just another false allegation that you are trying to post to the forum. We are renting from my parents because we are poor and trying to get on our feet. Does this sound familiar? Most couples start off with nothing and build a life, that is what normal marriages about. I don't know about you Vanessa, but we didn't marry for money. We both are poor and your accusations are out of line. I am going to kindly ask you to stop posting in this forum with such rude behavior. As for all others, we can on this forum so we could inform you of your rights and help you through the immigration process. We were very well prepared and as the American Citizen (husband) knew about my wife. I didn't even have to study for hours and hours. I know my wife because she is my best friend. Enough said.

I'm sorry you felt I was accusing you of fraud, I at no point suggested such a thing, and instead was trying to show you what the IO seemed to be saying from their constant questions about Laura, and their comments about your financial situation.

I said it before and I'll say it again, this Laura person is very important. It would not be the first time someone didn't know the full truth about someone else. I'm not accusing her of anything, but maybe she has the same name as someone who has done something, maybe she looks like someone who has. I'd say it's name related though, especially as they referred to her as her maiden rather than married name.

But that's all moot because, as you said, you simply posted to tell people that they can request the interview end and speak with someone higher up the chain. You don't want help with your case, you have a lawyer. May I suggest then, if I may, that you report this thread to be closed by a mod as you have succeeded in your purpose to alert people.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Vanessa&Tony

[DandT14 272]

If Vanessa had read our earlier post it stated that Laura was our friend from church. She and her husband had given us the affidavit of support. She is a US citizen by birth. A mother and a wife.

The first questions shot at us were Who is Laura ****? My sponsor gave me the files to mail with the application. She has private stuff in there. Her San and her job information. I am not going to read her stuff. We got it in a sealed package. So for not knowing her maiden name and hesitating. As said in earlier post " we posted this topic because we wanted to help someone else if ever in a situation." We welcome a Stokes interview, we have nothing to hide. VANESSA is implying that we do.

A sealed envelope from your sponsor...you didn't look inside? She could have put anything in there. I hope you know her REALLY well, so well that you trust her with your life. But she doesn't trust you to know about her job?

[ceadsearc 516]

A sealed envelope from your sponsor...you didn't look inside? She could have put anything in there. I hope you know her REALLY well, so well that you trust her with your life. But she doesn't trust you to know about her job?

Or her maiden name. Perhaps that was a red flag? Was it somehow made obvious that the OP had not seen the contents of the package, leading to the initial questions of who is this person and how do you know her? Again, if you have a red flag case & then you have a sponsor it looks like you don't know, that is going to lend more creadance to the IO's beliefs that your marriage is a scam and someone else is helping you with it.