Democrats hate Jews, God

[JohnR! 5,495]

You mean just like the Dems pander to the minority vote?

No, I meant just like the GOP panders to the American Jewish vote.

[Teddy B 17,252]

No, I meant just like the GOP panders to the American Jewish vote.

Oh, ok, just checkin. Cause we all know the Dems don't cater to minorities, just like the Repubs cater to the Jews, right?

[JohnR! 5,495]

Oh, ok, just checkin. Cause we all know the Dems don't cater to minorities, just like the Repubs cater to the Jews, right?

So you propose the GOP be more like the Dems, right?

[Teddy B 17,252]

So you propose the GOP be more like the Dems, right?

Wrong. But unfortunately that's the way it's been going for the last few decades.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Ob brother... You just disproved the OP's opinion and made a case for the DNC. If, as the CIA says, Jerusalem is already the capital of Israel, we can safely say Romney must have offended the Israelis by saying he will recognize it as the capital of their country. I am surprised his campaign did not include a pledge to recognize Rome as the capital of Italy , ergo, the GOP must hate the Italians.

IMHO it is time that our politicians start paying attention to the issues we have right here in the USA, instead of pandering to the likes of Israel, as the GOP always does. The former administration made a similar promise to Israel and did not act upon it at all.

Furthermore, it is time our politicians stop using Israel as a bargaining chip and treating it as a third world banana republic as though the Israelis can't run or protect their countries to an acceptable degree. Israel has an exceptional intelligence service, competent politicians, as they come, to be sure, and they sure have shown the world their resolve, for better or worse. I find it laughable and exceedingly condescending that these less-aware politicians treat Israel as a child as though they needed the US to tell them what to do and when. If anything, not showing feigned interest would send a message that the US recognizes Israel as an ally and validate their claim to sovereignty to their country. If the GOP wants to pander to the American Jewish vote it would behoove them to treat Israel as an allied country and not as a puppet, dangling undeliverable carrots in front of their noses.

It's all about the money, not the "Jewish vote." Jews make up maybe 4% of U.S. registered voters, and American Jews in general do not vote with Israel as their #1 priority - they are much more concerned with issues like the economy.

However, American Jews who donate to political campaigns are extremely Israel-oriented, and many of these donors are extremely rich and extremely right-wing - like billionaire Sheldon Adelson who is willing to plunk down tens of millions to support candidates who he believes will support the Likud/pro-Greater Israel party line.

According to the Washington Post's Richard Cohen (quoted in Mearsheimer & Walt,) about 1/3 of the money donated to Republican campaigns and over half the money donated to Democratic campaigns comes from Jewish-funded PACs. This is a staggering percentage of the cash collected, and a staggering influence on the U.S. election process - candidates who toe the AIPAC party line (or swing even further right) get the lion's share of the dough.

So both parties do their share of pandering to the Israeli lobby in return for campaign donations - and not just on the presidential level. The congressional level is even more important to "keep the money coming" back the other way - Congress votes on things like military aid to Israel, economic aid and other plum packages, as well as providing the political support for AIPAC's agenda.

This article from the executive director of Jewish Voice For Peace expands on how both parties' policies toward Israel are essentially the same:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-vilkomerson-israel-blowback-20120815,0,3772203.story

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Jennifer Rubin is hardly a credible source. She's a hack for hasbara, using her position as the Washington Post's "official conservative blogger" to endlessly repeat the talking points for militarist, right-wing neocon/Likudist/Greater Israel Zionist ideology.

So, she speaks for AIPAC and Netanyahu? Good to know.

[Xanax 349]

No facts in the RWN rant threads, please. They don't do facts. It's not only against their believes, facts are also destructive to their argument.

Lol.

I am pretty sure Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, and I am very glad to know that this fact isn't lost on at least one major political party in the US.

Also can you eleaborate a little on why you believe that the Democrats now hate the Jews?

Lol.

Edited September 5, 2012 by Xanax

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So, she speaks for AIPAC and Netanyahu? Good to know.

Well... I'm saying that she repeats all their talking points. Take a look at her articles...

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22by+jennifer+rubin%22+israel&oq=%22by+jennifer+rubin%22+israel&gs_l=serp.3...13509.18882.0.19170.14.14.0.0.0.1.161.1475.7j7.14.0.les%3B..0.0...1c._gRiqgtzF80&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=e56a924fd8801244&biw=1333&bih=663

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Never fear, Dershowitz is already on the case !

“My goal is always to keep support for Israel a bi-partisan issue and never make a national election any kind of referendum on Israel,” he said. “I don’t think it is a good thing that the Republican platform seems to be more pro-Israel than the Democratic platform.”

Dershowtiz said that this is not the last the Democratic Party has heard about the platform as he is personally going to get to the bottom of what happened.

“As soon as I hang up with you, I will call people I know in the White House and in the Democratic Party and find out what’s going on,” he said. ”But believe me this is not the last the Democrats will have heard about this issue. They will hear from me on this one.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/04/liberal-harvard-professor-finds-democratic-platform-omissions-on-israel-deeply-troubling/#ixzz25bw5RTlT

[mawilson 2,133]

about 1/3 of the money donated to Republican campaigns and over half the money donated to Democratic campaigns comes from Jewish-funded PACs

If the Democrats take more money from Jewish PACs than Republicans, why aren't they more pro-Israel?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

If the Democrats take more money from Jewish PACs than Republicans, why aren't they more pro-Israel?

The Democrats are just as "pro-Israel" as the Republicans; that's the point. From the L.A. Times article already posted:

First, the idea that President Obama’s policies toward Israel are substantially different than Mitt Romney's would be -- or than President George W. Bush’s were -- is incorrect. Rhetorically, Obama made some effort in 2010 to rein in Israel's settlement building, but in practice Israel has been able to continue entrenching its occupation of Palestinian lands with no substantive protest from the United States. In fact, Obama released an additional $70 million in military aid to Israel at the end of July, prompting Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak to note that it was "another expression of the consistent support of the Obama administration and also Congress for the security of Israel."

On the issue of Iran, news outlets from Haaretz to CNN have noted, as Israeli journalist Anshel Pfeffer did, that “once you strip away the rhetoric and bombast of Romney’s visit to Israel and his speeches and interviews, you end up with two almost identical positions.”

[mawilson 2,133]

The Democrats are just as "pro-Israel" as the Republicans; that's the point.

Right, but shouldn't they be *more* pro-Israel? 1/2 is greater than 1/3.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Right, but shouldn't they be *more* pro-Israel? 1/2 is greater than 1/3.

"More" in what way ?

[mawilson 2,133]

"More" in what way ?

Do more sabre-rattling with Iran, move the Embassy to Jerusalem, stuff like that.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

WHAT A JOKE THIS PARTY IS!!!!! Just do what your told and shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Edited September 5, 2012 by Pinocchio Liberal