Passport entry stamps as proof of bonafide relationship?

[nebodihome 0]

I am thinking about using passport entry stamps into my fiance's country as proof that we have seen one another the past two years. The problem is that the pages on my passport that have these stamps don't have my name on it, so technically I could photocopy the passport of anyone who has entered the country in those dates and use it. How to get around this problem and tie the passport scans to my actual identity?

[ClaireGio 35]

Aren't the passport pages numbered or imprinted with a long digit number? There is a way of verifying but I can't remember. US passport? I'm sure there's sequence numbers.... Check

[Que Saudade 284]

Because if USCIS should ask to see the passport and someone indeed had lied on their petition, then they would have committed perjury. Since they signed the petition with the huge warning about commiting such a crime, this would be enforceable in a court of law. Big, huge deal.

P.S. copies of your passport entry and exit stamps coupled with boarding passes of flights is great evidence coupled with photos during the same time period.

P.S.S. do you actually think the government just takes your word at face value? Hence, all the processing times and background checks etc.....

Edited September 2, 2012 by Que Saudade

[Anh map 2,098]

All the items that you listed in your prior post with the same question are good.

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

oh #######....you scared me...I never thought about that. Gooooood point.

I sent copies of my passport stamps to my wife.

But I just checked the copy of what I sent and thank God I had a visa stamp from the Philippine consulate with my full name on it.

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

Aren't the passport pages numbered or imprinted with a long digit number? There is a way of verifying but I can't remember. US passport? I'm sure there's sequence numbers.... Check

no identifying numbers on the extra pages in the passport....

would be a good idea though if there were.

[baron555 934]

I am thinking about using passport entry stamps into my fiance's country as proof that we have seen one another the past two years. The problem is that the pages on my passport that have these stamps don't have my name on it, so technically I could photocopy the passport of anyone who has entered the country in those dates and use it. How to get around this problem and tie the passport scans to my actual identity?

Passport stamps are NOT evidence of a relationship...only of travel to a specific country. Don't you have anything else? If not, then start purposefully generating evidence; regardless is you like it or not.

[Que Saudade 284]

I guess that is why a lot of people send in all the pages of the passport, even the blank ones.

Then others send in their biographical page along with the pages that have the stamps on them.

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

Passport stamps are NOT evidence of a relationship...only of travel to a specific country. Don't you have anything else? If not, then start purposefully generating evidence; regardless is you like it or not.

Op is not using for evidence of ongoing relationship.....using for proof of meeting within the past 2 years.

[nebodihome 0]

Op is not using for evidence of ongoing relationship.....using for proof of meeting within the past 2 years.

Correct. We have tons of photos together, I can prove that I have sent money through Western Union, my Skype bills, our online conversations... etc. I can prove I have purchased airline tickets to her country and also for her within her country, I can prove we had reservations in both our names at hotels. The problem is that, silly us, we never thought when we were together this past December that we would be getting married... so we didn't save anything like boarding passes, hotel receipts, nothing. Well, we have ONE hotel receipt that proves that I at least was physically there and paid for it. So my plan is to use that, coupled with the reservation in that hotel, coupled with my entry stamps into her country in August 2011 and December 2011 to prove that we have seen each other in the past two years. Will that be good enough?

Proving that there's an ongoing relationship should be far easier.

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

Correct. We have tons of photos together, I can prove that I have sent money through Western Union, my Skype bills, our online conversations... etc. I can prove I have purchased airline tickets to her country and also for her within her country, I can prove we had reservations in both our names at hotels. The problem is that, silly us, we never thought when we were together this past December that we would be getting married... so we didn't save anything like boarding passes, hotel receipts, nothing. Well, we have ONE hotel receipt that proves that I at least was physically there and paid for it. So my plan is to use that, coupled with the reservation in that hotel, coupled with my entry stamps into her country in August 2011 and December 2011 to prove that we have seen each other in the past two years. Will that be good enough?

Proving that there's an ongoing relationship should be far easier.

That sounds good....did you use a travel agent? Maybe they can get you a copy of dated travel itinerary with your name on it.

[nebodihome 0]

I just looked at those passport pages and I may be in some luck. Page 13 has both my stamps for entry into her country and these do not have my name on it... but, on the previous page 12, I happen to have an entry visa into Tanzania for work I did there right before visiting my fiance, and that has my photo and name clearly printed, and since pages 12 and 13 happen to be right next to each other (as in, I can scan both of them in one scan), this should be pretty good!

[nebodihome 0]

That sounds good....did you use a travel agent? Maybe they can get you a copy of dated travel itinerary with your name on it.

Nope We have those airline itineraries that airlines send to your e-mail after you pay the ticket. However, this doesn't prove we physically boarded any flights... We also have an e-mail from a hotel's official address confirming that we were together in the same hotel on specific dates, although again this isn't really hard evidence.

[nebodihome 0]

Okay, I may have stumbled across something else. When I go into the file folder where our photos are saved and can see all the photos in there in thumbnail format. Then , I can click on one of them, let's say IMG_022. What happens is a larger preview of this image appears to the right, while on the bottom it has "stats" about the image, including the size of the image, dimension, camera that took it, and it also has something that says "Date taken: 12/21/2011 10:58pm" . This seems good. The only problem is that obviously the time in the camera was messed up because it has some photos in broad daylight, and while the date is right, it will say "3:06 am" So am assuming it's pretty easy to adjust internal camera date/time and so this "evidence" is no good, right?

Yet I also notice we have photos from August 2011, which were taken with my cellphone, which I can't adjust the time because it sets it automatically, and these photos have all the date and time exactly right. I guess it wouldn't hurt to include these things as well.

Edited September 3, 2012 by nebodihome

[Que Saudade 284]

OP, it would benefit you greatly if you were to fill out some profile information, such as what country your fiancé is from.

Consulates vary from country to country.

That way, you can get answers tailored to your specific situation.

For the I-129F, all you have to do is prove you met within the last 2 years, are legally able to marry, letters of intent from both of you, and divorce decrees if necessary.

The ongoing relationship comes after NOA2 and when your fiance goes to the K1 interview.

But, if you are dealing with a high fraud consulate, then front loading the petition may benefit you. If not, then you can just concentrate on the evidence for meeting face to face within last 2 years.

Copy all pages of your passport, even the blank ones. (There is a reason to copy all of the pages which you won't read in any instructions. This is to show that you are not trying to; #1-hide anything and #2- that nothing has been manipulated in your passport. There are several super senior members who advocate this. I am of the same opinion.)

The fact that you actually entered the country outweighs a boarding pass. (Who knows, someone could have been denied entry and never entered the country) It is nice to have it all, but not everyone does.

Good Luck, you are well on your way to getting this all done....