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I am sure there was a point to it, I've completely missed it.

First of all, there are no scholarships for whites only. Secondly, I would personally find it insulting to be getting one of those scholarships, or be offered some sort of diversity encouraging job. Either I can do it, no matter whom I am competing against, or I can't. And if I can't, I'd rather not ride the short bus, thank you very much, even if I am given a front seat.

Secondly, you would be wrong calling me a gypsy, because I am not one. Are we calling blacks incorrectly blacks, or what's the point to your inquiry?

Once upon a time stories? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware only one race in this freaking world suffered from racism.

Really? And me thinking affirmative action means something else, shame on me. Seems to me there should be a gender/colour/sexuality/you name it blind policy for scholarships, jobs or anything else.

btw - we are all part monkey, like 99% part.

Affirmative action exist because the system wasn't working for fair hiring or schooling. You can feel insulted if you like, but when you are trying to put food on the table or get into school and they won't hire you not because you're not smart enough or good enough, just based on the color of your skin, it's wrong. Back then those people had family to take care of, my parents and grandparents share the stories of what they had to go through just to make a little bit of money. If getting a black only scholarship was the ONLY way they could get a viable education, so be it. I guess it's easy to be picky when you have options...

And since you seem to have the whole racism thing down, please enlighten me. What other race in America was lynched, had dogs and water hoses turned on them for peaceful protesting, was denied voting rights, the list goes on. Anyone in america that isn't white has to deal with it on some level, but remember when African Americans went through it, it was completely ok to take a black man's life and suffer no consequences. Ask Trayvon Martin's parent's about it, I'm sure they would love to debate the issue with you. Or Sean Bell, Rodney King, Medgar Evans(at least his killer got convicted, it just took 3 trials and 30 years)...

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back in India, skin hue is closely related to caste.

Racist Tendencies are easily transformed into caste-ist (my word) tendencies, with the same issues and results.

Expand hiw universe a bit, and I can see that he could EASILY transfer his 'tendencies' to those around him in the USA, as he learns of 'other folk' in his new milieu.

So, since you've been collecting these 'items' about yer spouse - IMO, here's another 'item' that might just break the camel's back (so to speak).

It's possible that this light/dark discrimination had something to with casteism. It's a really good point, as I hadn't really thought about that before.

My husband is not someone who cares much about castes (thankfully). For him, it's probably something more akin to everyone praising him as a kid for how 'fair and handsome' he was. He still gets praised for being 'fair and handsome'. People like the 2 words as those they go together, just like how people often say 'fat and ugly' (although I don't think fair necessarily should mean handsome, nor should fat necessarily equal ugly). Although I happen to be very fair, it's a bit sad to think that was one of the first things that attracted him to me.

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To my disappointment, I didn't know racism exists, until I came here.

I feel the same way as you on that topic. I mean i knew about racism and the whole segregation bs from history and movies but as for experiencing what it really is first hand. It wasn't until i came here too. Where i came from nobody pays attention to the colour of your skin or the texture of your hair. It's sad especially for a country that's such a melting pot of all different races

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If I am not mistaken, saying you are black and proud is good, but white and proud is racist? Scholarships for blacks are ok, but for white only they are racist?

Reverse discrimination is a good topic (to which I enjoy discussing), but it will open a whole different can of worms as people have many opinions on this topic. If you want to discuss this, please do start a new thread. Otherwise, it will take over this thread, which wasn't my intention. My intention was to ask here if people's attitudes change after coming to the US... so I really don't want to steer the issue to reverse discrimination. Thanks.

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It's possible that this light/dark discrimination had something to with casteism. It's a really good point, as I hadn't really thought about that before.

My husband is not someone who cares much about castes (thankfully). For him, it's probably something more akin to everyone praising him as a kid for how 'fair and handsome' he was. He still gets praised for being 'fair and handsome'. People like the 2 words as those they go together, just like how people often say 'fat and ugly' (although I don't think fair necessarily should mean handsome, nor should fat necessarily equal ugly). Although I happen to be very fair, it's a bit sad to think that was one of the first things that attracted him to me.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeey - don't believe me.

Go ask yer Father about it - as he lived it back in India and knows exactly what I'm talking about.

FWIW, this 'labelling as a child' stuff yer husband went through?

He was labelled by those who knew that lighter skin is a sign of higher caste.

Assume for the moment that his grandparents are of a middle to low caste.. Having a light-skinned grandchild is a sure way to become a 'passer', and move around in higher society (higher than theirs) because NO ONE is gonna question him about his caste with him having lighter skin.

I invite you to watch 22 Bollywood Movies tomorrow during the holiday, instead of studying for your medical exams. Or talk with yer father about this, for at least 2 hours. It really is a big deal.

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Seriously? You are from the Philippines right? I know the visual appearances are more subtle there than they are in a society with so much diversity, but your country has racism too among yourselves and among foreigners. I certainly don't wish anyone to feel they need to leave their job. Rather, you should take that to your superiors as you have the right to do so. Honestly though, I certainly don't understand posts like this. You are not the only one, but I sometimes wonder if people are living under rocks. I don't mean this offensively in the least bit. I just wonder why this was not learned at some point in your life. Many people act as if racism doesn't exist any place else but the US, and they are completely shocked. Why? Yes, we have our history and our own brand of it, but seriously people, start paying more attention to the world. We are far from what others would like to make us out to be in this regard.

Yes, I am serious and I am from the Philippines and my post based on what I felt and experienced. Just now, even before I read this post I told my husband to quit my job because of such issue. Re: among ourselves and foreigners back in my country I guess it is a kind of thing that Filipinos are curious about foreigners that's why they give them much importance when they visit the Philippines and personally I didn't feel it as racism, if that's what you mean. I've been or worked in other country like Hongkong, England and Thailand and I felt racism is worst here in the US. And I understand that it is because of diverse culture. We're being taught about diverse culture back in school but it's too much different in a real world.

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My intention was to ask here if people's attitudes change after coming to the US...

Yup, it's possible.

I attribute it to hundreds of hours of brainwashing after arrival,

or hundreds of hours of mind-blowing coitus,

or hundreds of hours of being denied mind-blowing coitus.

You Pick.

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I feel the same way as you on that topic. I mean i knew about racism and the whole segregation bs from history and movies but as for experiencing what it really is first hand. It wasn't until i came here too. Where i came from nobody pays attention to the colour of your skin or the texture of your hair. It's sad especially for a country that's such a melting pot of all different races

That's just it. You entered a melting pot where differences contrast and are more apparent than they are in a society that is not so much of a melting pot. I don't wish the experience on anyone. What is sad though is that people are not aware of this side to human nature until they arrive in a place like the US with so much diversity around. The fact is that it goes on everywhere regardless of whether a spectacle is being made of it.

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Yes, I am serious and I am from the Philippines and my post based on what I felt and experienced. Just now, even before I read this post I told my husband to quit my job because of such issue. Re: among ourselves and foreigners back in my country I guess it is a kind of thing that Filipinos are curious about foreigners that's why they give them much importance when they visit the Philippines and personally I didn't feel it as racism, if that's what you mean. I've been or worked in other country like Hongkong, England and Thailand and I felt racism is worst here in the US. And I understand that it is because of diverse culture. We're being taught about diverse culture back in school but it's too much different in a real world.

Any thoughts to move where the majority of registered voters in the Republican party are Asian ? Could be a district, could be a county.

Move, I say.

Oh wait, you'll experience racism of another kind... Non-PI Asians will not let you assimilate into the area.

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Yes, I am serious and I am from the Philippines and my post based on what I felt and experienced. Just now, even before I read this post I told my husband to quit my job because of such issue. Re: among ourselves and foreigners back in my country I guess it is a kind of thing that Filipinos are curious about foreigners that's why they give them much importance when they visit the Philippines and personally I didn't feel it as racism, if that's what you mean. I've been or worked in other country like Hongkong, England and Thailand and I felt racism is worst here in the US. And I understand that it is because of diverse culture. We're being taught about diverse culture back in school but it's too much different in a real world.

Nope. That is not what I mean at all although there is something wrong with that too. What I meant is quite the opposite. Many Filipinos could not care less for foreigners. Even your own people for example the bangasmoro people. Come on now. You guys have some serious conflicts over racial, ethical, and religious lines. Heck, as I mentioned in one post, the culture there loves white skin, but I made this clear that it didn't mean caucasions were put on a pedestal. It is white skin that is coveted not race, and I know first hand that some Filipinos don't care for Americans being in their country. So what? Racism is everywhere.

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Nope. That is not what I mean at all although there is something wrong with that too. What I meant is quite the opposite. Many Filipinos could not care less for foreigners. Even your own people for example the bangasmoro people. Come on now. You guys have some serious conflicts over racial, ethical, and religious lines. Heck, as I mentioned in one post, the culture there loves white skin, but I made this clear that it didn't mean caucasions were put on a pedestal. It is white skin that is coveted not race, and I know first hand that some Filipinos don't care for Americans being in their country. So what? Racism is everywhere.

Yes, you are right Racism is everywhere. But as what I said, it is based on my experienced. :)

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Affirmative action exist because the system wasn't working for fair hiring or schooling. You can feel insulted if you like, but when you are trying to put food on the table or get into school and they won't hire you not because you're not smart enough or good enough, just based on the color of your skin, it's wrong. Back then those people had family to take care of, my parents and grandparents share the stories of what they had to go through just to make a little bit of money. If getting a black only scholarship was the ONLY way they could get a viable education, so be it. I guess it's easy to be picky when you have options...

I am afraid you are wrong there. The moment you get points on your application for things that have nothing to do with how good you are at something and just with your skin colour (for instance) it means you are not good enough. It also means you are stealing the bread from the table of someone more qualified than you who just happens to have the wrong skin colour (I know, shocking, but white people eat too, and have to take care of their families). I know I wouldn't want a doctor who qualified for the job just because he was black operating on me.

And if it is a "back then" circumstance, then why does it exist still?

And since you seem to have the whole racism thing down, please enlighten me. What other race in America was lynched, had dogs and water hoses turned on them for peaceful protesting, was denied voting rights, the list goes on. Anyone in america that isn't white has to deal with it on some level, but remember when African Americans went through it, it was completely ok to take a black man's life and suffer no consequences. Ask Trayvon Martin's parent's about it, I'm sure they would love to debate the issue with you. Or Sean Bell, Rodney King, Medgar Evans(at least his killer got convicted, it just took 3 trials and 30 years)...

There is more to the world than the US, you know.

Right now it is completely ok to take a human life, and suffer no consequence in some part of the world. As we speak. I am a citizen of the world, I will not confine my view on it based on the history of just one nation.


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Reverse discrimination is a good topic (to which I enjoy discussing), but it will open a whole different can of worms as people have many opinions on this topic. If you want to discuss this, please do start a new thread. Otherwise, it will take over this thread, which wasn't my intention. My intention was to ask here if people's attitudes change after coming to the US... so I really don't want to steer the issue to reverse discrimination. Thanks.

Sorry, I guess this is where the topic led.

Anyway, my advice would be to stop thinking your politically correct education is better than his. In some societies "racism" is merely a tool of survival. Also, we are adaptable creatures, and if the environment so requires, he will adapt.


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Any thoughts to move where the majority of registered voters in the Republican party are Asian ? Could be a district, could be a county.

Move, I say.

Oh wait, you'll experience racism of another kind... Non-PI Asians will not let you assimilate into the area.

:thumbs: This is my thinking. It exist in one form or another everywhere. I experienced racism from black people at the tender age of 4 at a time when I was living in a predominately black neighborhood. America has so much diversity that one doesn't have to or need to settle for one place with one popular attitude. There is a huge population of Filipino Americans living in California and Hawaii. My guess is that lifestyle is quite different than say Mississippi, but that would be the case whether racial differences were thrown into the mix or not. They just aren't the same places. Our country is huge in terms of land and population, and the attitudes can drastically shift from one county to the next in the very same state!

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(On a side note, another thing is that my husband thinks it is okay to use the word "N--ro". I told him we don't use that word here, but say "African-American" or "black" instead, as people find the "N" word offensive. He started arguing with me, and saying that it can't be an offensive word since MLK, Jr himself used that word in his "I have a dream" speech. I told him that that was the 1960s, and this is now. I don't know why things have changed, but couldn't offer him any better perspective.)

Funny when i saw this posted a friend on Facebook had posted he was a work and a co-worker said "Negro please". He didn't know how to respond. He had asked "should I be offended". That word to him he's 32 may not be offensive. But call me and people older than me that and yes your husband WILL have an issue and a most def problem.

It's not just old its offensive because it cuts deep.It goes back to a time of much pain and hurt when white people could talk to Black people any old way. We were killed, lynched and left out for the white kids to watch and laugh.

And if your husband has those kind of views and thinks he can just express his self, he will find himself in HR a bit much. We don't play with that. You can't just call people what you want. Even if its "you know Debbie the black girl in accounting". That can get you fired at many a jobs.

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