Pro Choice?????

[Yaads 0]

What I would like to know is how shooting yourself in the stomach to kill your FULL TERM baby is the same as having an abortion??? Regardless if you believe abortion to be right or wrong...she didn't have an abortion...she SHOT her stomach/baby and killed it. Big difference between that and having an abortion.

[Jenn! 918]

What I would like to know is how shooting yourself in the stomach to kill your FULL TERM baby is the same as having an abortion??? Regardless if you believe abortion to be right or wrong...she didn't have an abortion...she SHOT her stomach/baby and killed it. Big difference between that and having an abortion.

That's just it. Pro-lifers would disagree.

[Veiled Princess 1]

The only choice she should have is to keep her legs together!

I still can't believe you talk about other women like that.

Yes, I must be anti-women just because I don't think they should have the right to kill babies.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

[Caladan 19]

Poor woman, to be so desperate. Poor baby. I hope the woman gets the help she needs.

Poor baby who will never have the opportunity to exercise his/her right to live.

Did you read the article? The baby's death is quite sad, but I'm not going to get on my moral high horse about a women who was mentally ill and abused and too poor to pay for either raising the child or an abortion. The situation is too sad all around.

You can roll your eyes and screech #######! until the cows come home, but all it's demonstrating is a severe lack of compassion for a woman so down she really thought her only option was to shoot herself in the abdomen. This is not the sign of a cold and passionless killer. This is the sign of someone's who's gone off the deep end.

As a side note, if the pro-life crowd is serious about ending abortion, not just criminalizing it, this is the sort of situation that they'll have to work to prevent, with outreach, well-baby initiatives, and compassion for unwed moms, not scorn and finger-pointing. 'Cause history shows the choice isn't between abortion and happy babies, but between legal abortion and illegal abortion, infanticide, and child abandonment.

[dalegg 143]

That's exactly why abortion must remain safe, legal, and available. Desperate women can do desperate things, but if you give them not so desperate choices you will lessen things like this happening.

This doesn't seem like a good example to make your case. Abortion is safe and legal in Virginia and nonetheless she STILL did it. If anything I could argue that the fact that abortion is legal aided her in her decision to do this since the fact that abortion is legal means she at least might have been thinking she wasn't facing jail.

I don't actually think she was thinking about legal or not legal at the time though.

[Caladan 19]

She did say that she couldn't afford the abortion. Unfortunately, I think that criminalizing abortion would make such cases more common.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

this is nothing to do with safe and legal abortion

if the anti-abortion crowd want to make it so then I would suggest that lack of gun control is to blame

[Traviesa 0]

Poor woman, to be so desperate. Poor baby. I hope the woman gets the help she needs.

Poor baby who will never have the opportunity to exercise his/her right to live.

Did you read the article? The baby's death is quite sad, but I'm not going to get on my moral high horse about a women who was mentally ill and abused and too poor to pay for either raising the child or an abortion. The situation is too sad all around.

Why are those the only options mentioned? You can literally give birth then leave the hospital without your baby and never look back. That's perfectly legal, and a really nice "way out" for someone like her who had let it get to that point. And again, there's TONS of couples out there looking to adopt. Like I just told Charity earlier, there's these two couples who post week after week ads in the Pennysaver, looking for someone like this, they will pay the medical and legal expenses. For heaven's sakes, this is the land of opportunity, and choices are NOT in short order!!!

[Heracles 417]

I agree-unless anyone has had to face this sort of decision(abortion-NOT shooting yourself in the stomach) how can you judge anyone else? I am pro-choice, and I believe there is a difference between being pro-choice & being pro-abortion

didn't want to say anything but now I have- let the insults fly

If I shot you right now would I be judged? Sent to prison? Eligible for the death penalty?

ETA: I wasn't threatening or anything I'm just making the point that abortion is the same as murder so it shouldn't be any different, her shooting that baby in her stomach, than if I shot you where you stand now just because I didn't want to look at you anymore.

Veiled Princess has a point. Their pro-choice is to take someone out because they are, ummm "causing them hardship". Isn't this pro-choice? Or is that different.. Lets also add that they did it while one was sleeping or in a comma, much like a baby in a womans stomach.. Well, it should be ok then because that is Veiled Princesses choice..

[Caladan 19]

Sure, Heina, there's lot of options. But it's not like she just walked into a clinic and had a safe procedure. She shot herself in the stomach; this suggests desperation and not thinking clearly to me.

[Traviesa 0]

Sure, Heina, there's lot of options. But it's not like she just walked into a clinic and had a safe procedure. She shot herself in the stomach; this suggests desperation and not thinking clearly to me.

The thing about it is-she still ended up in the hospital! And the baby still had to come out somehow. Why oh why couldn't it have come out alive??? Why is she getting away with this??

[Veiled Princess 1]

Did you read the article? The baby's death is quite sad, but I'm not going to get on my moral high horse about a women who was mentally ill and abused and too poor to pay for either raising the child or an abortion. The situation is too sad all around.

You can roll your eyes and screech #######! until the cows come home, but all it's demonstrating is a severe lack of compassion for a woman so down she really thought her only option was to shoot herself in the abdomen. This is not the sign of a cold and passionless killer. This is the sign of someone's who's gone off the deep end.

As a side note, if the pro-life crowd is serious about ending abortion, not just criminalizing it, this is the sort of situation that they'll have to work to prevent, with outreach, well-baby initiatives, and compassion for unwed moms, not scorn and finger-pointing. 'Cause history shows the choice isn't between abortion and happy babies, but between legal abortion and illegal abortion, infanticide, and child abandonment.

You are correct... I lack compassion for a baby killer Would you be so understanding if it would have been one or both of the other two children she had shot?

[mybackpages 0]

Why are those the only options mentioned? You can literally give birth then leave the hospital without your baby and never look back. That's perfectly legal, and a really nice "way out" for someone like her who had let it get to that point. And again, there's TONS of couples out there looking to adopt. Like I just told Charity earlier, there's these two couples who post week after week ads in the Pennysaver, looking for someone like this, they will pay the medical and legal expenses. For heaven's sakes, this is the land of opportunity, and choices are NOT in short order!!!

You are talking as if this woman was a sane rational person who had the ability to look at her options and just chose incorrectly. I am not sure what is more sad, this tragic news story or this thread.

[Marc and Olga 0]

I will share what I believe, that is the woman should have the choice...do I believe that abortion should be legal? Yes, in that it should be an option. Should it be used as an option instead of say, a condom/birth control/no sex at all? No.

I know this does not pretain to this case but what about instances of RAPE? Those of you that have children you understand better then I what a woman goes through during those 9 months, suppose it wasn't a option for her to "keep her legs together", should she then be FORCED to go through the trauma of (an unwanted/undeserved) pregnancy and birth?

I do not believe that I (or ANY man) has the right to tell a woman that she cannot have an abortion, I do not believe (in most cases) abortion is the best option though I also believe that there are situations where abortion may be the ONLY option.

"The question we shouldn't be asking is, 'What crime did she commit?' But, 'Why didn't she have access to abortion services? Why didn't she have access to mental health services?'" Paltrow said.

EDIT: Dang, used the wrong tense of force!

Edited October 24, 2006 by Marc and Olga