Pro Choice?????

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Yeah, the issue isn't whether or not the fetus is alive; everyone would agree that, biologically speaking, a fetus is alive. The question is rather whether a woman has the right to decide what happens inside of her own body and whether or not a government can force someone to gestate and give birth.

Personally, I don't think she was desperate or suicidal; she did what she wanted -- walked away from this all baby-free. I am pro-choice, and I think the more we limit access to medical abortions, the more stories like this we will read. I think abortion is immoral; it's a terrible thing, but I think it's even more terrible for a government to force someone to carry a pregnancy to term and then give birth to a child they don't want.

No govt is forcing women to have sex. If you don't want a baby don't have sex... it's soooooooo simple.

Excellent point, VP.

It's also noticeable among VD/HIV prevention programs; it is noticeable that the most successful of these was in Uganda where Youweri and Janet Museveni put emphasis as Abstinence, Be faithful, only if you absolutely can't do the previous two use Condom--in descending order of priority (and this program led to a dramatic reduction in HIV prevalence). By contrast, those advocating BillyBubba's touted "safe sex" ("ok to be promiscuous, but use rubber"--kind of like "go ahead and drive like maniac but use crash-helmet airbag and seatbelt") achieved basically no reductions.

[Mags 112]

Almost all abortions take place in the first 8 weeks, when it is an EMBRYO, not a fetus.

Actually, here in Britain you can terminate a foetus up to 24 weeks. There does not have to be an abnormality to be able to do this. However, the procedure isn't pleasant. The heart is injected with potassion chloride, which kills the baby, and then labour is induced. The woman has to then give brith to a dead baby. This decision, to be made by the mother mostly is not taken lightly.

You'd also be amazed how many abortions take place in the final trimester. All of them are for medical reasons (abnormalities in the foetus etc etc)...but for some people a cleft palate is reason enough for an abortion. Many of these babies are viable, yet you find very few people want a less than perfect baby.

The majority of terminations are carried out around 12 weeks, especially if invasive prenatal testing has been performed (CVS). If an AF is performed, termination is usually around 18 weeks. After 12 weeks you can no longer have a suction termination, you have to do the one I mentioned above.

If half of the world REALLY knew what goes on, you'd be shocked quite honestly.

Edited October 24, 2006 by mags

[irishgirl73 0]

I can't help but wonder how different peoples reactions and the media's coverage would be, had she died from her injuries.

I feel sure there would have been more compassion for her mental instability then.

if she had died-people would probably be a bit more compassionate-you are right

[Veiled Princess 1]

yeah, they are a joy to wind up with candy and soda and then send back home

I see you and my mom have something in common then

[no name 1]

Almost all abortions take place in the first 8 weeks, when it is an EMBRYO, not a fetus.

Actually, here in Britain you can terminate a foetus up to 24 weeks. There does not have to be an abnormality to be able to do this. However, the procedure isn't pleasant. The heart is injected with potassion chloride, which kills the baby, and then labour is induced. The woman has to then give brith to a dead baby. This decision, to be made by the mother mostly is not taken lightly.

You'd also be amazed how many abortions take place in the final trimester. All of them are for medical reasons (abnormalities in the foetus etc etc)...but for some people a cleft palate is reason enough for an abortion. Many of these babies are viable, yet you find very few people want a less than perfect baby.

The majority of terminations are carried out around 12 weeks, especially if invasive prenatal testing has been performed (CVS or amniocentesis).

If half of the world REALLY knew what goes on, you'd be shocked quite honestly.

I'm aware of what happens in late trimester abortions. I'm saying the majority are done earlier. I think it's like 12 weeks in the US?

[Mags 112]

Yeah, mostly, I was editing and putting that in! LOL!

[garya505 2]

Almost all abortions take place in the first 8 weeks, when it is an EMBRYO, not a fetus.

Actually, here in Britain you can terminate a foetus up to 24 weeks. There does not have to be an abnormality to be able to do this. However, the procedure isn't pleasant. The heart is injected with potassion chloride, which kills the baby, and then labour is induced. The woman has to then give brith to a dead baby. This decision, to be made by the mother mostly is not taken lightly.

You'd also be amazed how many abortions take place in the final trimester. All of them are for medical reasons (abnormalities in the foetus etc etc)...but for some people a cleft palate is reason enough for an abortion. Many of these babies are viable, yet you find very few people want a less than perfect baby.

The majority of terminations are carried out around 12 weeks, especially if invasive prenatal testing has been performed (CVS or amniocentesis).

If half of the world REALLY knew what goes on, you'd be shocked quite honestly.

This is what happens when we define a fetus as a non-person and allow her/him to be killed legally. It's very sad.

[aussiewench 9]

I live with the fact I even contemplated harming my child and I will forever carry that guilt

If something did happen, should you have beared the consequences of your actions or not...

I would of punished myself enough. I wouldn't of been a stone cold murderer. There is a difference.

um, wenchie, could you change the location on your profile? i saw wog boy's post suddenly say 25 oct and i thought i'd missplaced a day there!

hahahaha oops I forgot to change that hu. Is this better. I think I got the right time zone.

[Alex+R 0]

I love how the website describes how your unplanned (and unwanted) pregnancy leads to "unplanned joy." How precious.

Children are a joy. Maybe not to you but to someone and to God.

According to you, God especially likes it when those children get married at 12. But also according to you, they cease to be a joy when they're being little "sluts" around that age. I'm not sure what you really think about children. I'm not sure how I feel about pleasing your god.

too much?

[Karen_L 1]

Yeah, the issue isn't whether or not the fetus is alive; everyone would agree that, biologically speaking, a fetus is alive. The question is rather whether a woman has the right to decide what happens inside of her own body and whether or not a government can force someone to gestate and give birth.

Personally, I don't think she was desperate or suicidal; she did what she wanted -- walked away from this all baby-free. I am pro-choice, and I think the more we limit access to medical abortions, the more stories like this we will read. I think abortion is immoral; it's a terrible thing, but I think it's even more terrible for a government to force someone to carry a pregnancy to term and then give birth to a child they don't want.

No govt is forcing women to have sex. If you don't want a baby don't have sex... it's soooooooo simple.

But why should women pay a 9-month-long "price" for engaging in sex? It's not illegal to have sex, so how can the government order a woman to more or less give up her life for 9 months and go through the pain of labor? I agree that morally speaking all people SHOULD take resonsibility for their actions, and that they should consider the potential consequences of what they do before they do them, but I don't think politically speaking, the government should punish women for having sex by forcing them engage in 9 months of unwanted pregnancy and then childbirth.

[mawilson 2,133]

Unwanted children are better off never born than born into poverty or possible abuse.

[irishgirl73 0]

Another point that hasn't even been mentioned is a man's part in abortion.

My friend had one & her man was right there with her. They BOTH decided to terminate the pregnancy-together. It was the best decision for them at the time.

[Mags 112]

Yeah, the issue isn't whether or not the fetus is alive; everyone would agree that, biologically speaking, a fetus is alive. The question is rather whether a woman has the right to decide what happens inside of her own body and whether or not a government can force someone to gestate and give birth.

Personally, I don't think she was desperate or suicidal; she did what she wanted -- walked away from this all baby-free. I am pro-choice, and I think the more we limit access to medical abortions, the more stories like this we will read. I think abortion is immoral; it's a terrible thing, but I think it's even more terrible for a government to force someone to carry a pregnancy to term and then give birth to a child they don't want.

No govt is forcing women to have sex. If you don't want a baby don't have sex... it's soooooooo simple.

But why should women pay a 9-month-long "price" for engaging in sex? It's not illegal to have sex, so how can the government order a woman to more or less give up her life for 9 months and go through the pain of labor? I agree that morally speaking all people SHOULD take resonsibility for their actions, and that they should consider the potential consequences of what they do before they do them, but I don't think politically speaking, the government should punish women for having sex by forcing them engage in 9 months of unwanted pregnancy and then childbirth.

The act of copulations sole aim IS to produce a child. It's the whole idea of it. Yes, modern society has developed ways to stop this happening...but don't forget that sex is just a way of keeping the human race alive and breeding.

Edited October 24, 2006 by mags

[Veiled Princess 1]

No govt is forcing women to have sex. If you don't want a baby don't have sex... it's soooooooo simple.

I can (sort of) understand your position on abortion, but are you opposed even to birth control?

Birth control is not 100% safe right? That is a risk then that you assume when you take that chance anyway... the only 100% fullproof method of NOT becoming pregnant is to not have sex.

Why does your accident give you the right to kill?

[irishgirl73 0]

would someone who is molested or raped consider THAT an accident?