Pro Choice?????

[irishgirl73 0]

There is nothing in the constitution that gives you the right to kill an innocent person.

Foetuses are not persons. Unborn = not a person.

Heartbeat = alive

that is your opinion-it does not mean that everyone else should feel the same way.

[mawilson 2,133]

So where does one draw the line? In a hypothectical situation, is it ok then for a mother in a similar circumstances to kill her, lets say, 3rd child if the child was 5 days old?? Really what is the difference...

No, it's not ok. Birth is the line at which the law recognises that a baby may be murdered.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

There is nothing in the constitution that gives you the right to kill an innocent person.

Foetuses are not persons. Unborn = not a person.

Heartbeat = alive

that is your opinion-it does not mean that everyone else should feel the same way.

such probably does keep a few wives from murdering their sleeping husbands

No, it's not ok. Birth is the line at which the law recognises that a baby may be murdered.

sad yet true

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Abortion is abortion - the fetus dies, one way or another.

Does it make a difference whether it was shot or sucked out with a vacuum pump?

it's still murder

on this, agreed (especially when the vacuum pump oft involves as prep piercing with DULL scissors)

[mawilson 2,133]

Heartbeat = alive

Mice have heartbeats too, but that doesn't make them persons.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

we wouldn't even be talking about "abortion" which this has nothing to do with if the judge had said "it's not illegal to shoot yourself"

I don't think anyone would start a thread railing against guns because one desperate woman, who happened to be pregnant, shot herself. Would it be different if she shot herself in the head? The fetus would probably not have survived either way.

[Veiled Princess 1]

So where does one draw the line? In a hypothectical situation, is it ok then for a mother in a similar circumstances to kill her, lets say, 3rd child if the child was 5 days old?? Really what is the difference...

No, it's not ok. Birth is the line at which the law recognises that a baby may be murdered.

She was possibly moments away from giving birth AND I thought most states consider it murder if the baby is more than three months in the womb????

[irishgirl73 0]

we wouldn't even be talking about "abortion" which this has nothing to do with if the judge had said "it's not illegal to shoot yourself"

I don't think anyone would start a thread railing against guns because one desperate woman, who happened to be pregnant, shot herself. Would it be different if she shot herself in the head? The fetus would probably not have survived either way.

excellent point

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

we wouldn't even be talking about "abortion" which this has nothing to do with if the judge had said "it's not illegal to shoot yourself"

I don't think anyone would start a thread railing against guns because one desperate woman, who happened to be pregnant, shot herself. Would it be different if she shot herself in the head? The fetus would probably not have survived either way.

or we could advocate that the title could have been "oral sex keeps the anti-abortion and gun rights crowd happy"

[Veiled Princess 1]

Heartbeat = alive

Mice have heartbeats too, but that doesn't make them persons.

It does make them alive and I dare say they have animal rights of some sort as well.

we wouldn't even be talking about "abortion" which this has nothing to do with if the judge had said "it's not illegal to shoot yourself"

I don't think anyone would start a thread railing against guns because one desperate woman, who happened to be pregnant, shot herself. Would it be different if she shot herself in the head? The fetus would probably not have survived either way.

That at least would have shown her desperation in my opinion.... maybe would have called for compassion then but the way it stands now... she was just desperate to kill her baby.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Do you think shooting oneself in the stomach is the act of a rational person. I mean seriously people.......

[garya505 2]

There is nothing in the constitution that gives you the right to kill an innocent person.

Foetuses are not persons. Unborn = not a person.

By that logic then it would be OK to kill a fetus moments before birth.

[aussiewench 9]

I live with the fact I even contemplated harming my child and I will forever carry that guilt

If something did happen, should you have beared the consequences of your actions or not...

I would of punished myself enough. I wouldn't of been a stone cold murderer. There is a difference.

[mawilson 2,133]

There is nothing in the constitution that gives you the right to kill an innocent person.

Foetuses are not persons. Unborn = not a person.

By that logic then it would be OK to kill a fetus moments before birth.

And indeed, it is.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

There is nothing in the constitution that gives you the right to kill an innocent person.

Foetuses are not persons. Unborn = not a person.

By that logic then it would be OK to kill a fetus moments before birth.

...which was the logic used for Roe v Wade in the first place, as well as that behind BillyBubba's refusal to sign the Partial-birth-abortion Ban!