New Immigration Policy Controversy in Arizona

[Harsh_77 718]

These were children brought over. Not an adult decision. This is not about the parents. How can you blame these kids???

That is like saying you were asked to be born.... Do you think they like their situation?

And if they are illegal, why are they getting state benefits?

They have parents who are old enough to think of the possible consequence repercussion when they broke the laws of the country.

Don’t tell me parents who smuggled their children did not think about this.

[Harsh_77 718]

In podunk Georgia, they knew my wife had arrived on a K1 Visa. The lady asked me what a K1 was. They also found an error, and refused her drivers license until her Green Card arrived. They would not let me look at the screen, but that was the first time I had ever heard of the SAVE data base.

Yes when one gets a DL in Tx with I551 stamp in passport they give a DL which says Temp Visitor and later when one gets DL with 2 yr GC they give a DL with a Limited Term Printed on top.

After a chat with supervisor at DMV office he showed me how the state guides them on how long the DL can be and what is to be printed on top.

[Que Saudade 284]

They have parents who are old enough to think of the possible consequence repercussion when they broke the laws of the country.

Don't tell me parents who smuggled their children did not think about this.

I've never insinuated such a claim. Hear again, I am not defending nor talking about the parents.

Yes when one gets a DL in Tx with I551 stamp in passport they give a DL which says Temp Visitor and later when one gets DL with 2 yr GC they give a DL with a Limited Term Printed on top.

After a chat with supervisor at DMV office he showed me how the state guides them on how long the DL can be and what is to be printed on top.

In Texas, can a person with a valid EAD get a drivers license?

[JMH 21]

"In Arizona, which passed one of the nation's toughest anti-immigration laws"

This is terrible, intentionally misleading 'journalism' with a political agenda. First, Arizona doesn't write immigration laws. No sate does. The United States government writes and passes immigration laws. Second, the toughest 'anti-immigration law' isn't an 'anti-immigration law'. It's a clarification on an Arizona state law about who can get certain state benifits, and this law existed prior to the presidents actions. Third, the tough 'anit-imigration law' they are actually refering to is something completely different and not mentioned once in this article. I believe, but can't be sure because they don't clarify, that they mean SB1070. That's another topic completely!

Even if Arizona could write it's own immigration laws, and it did so quickly in response to the president's action, it's still not an 'anti-immigration' law. It doesn't stop legal immigration in ANY way. The president himself said this was not a path towards citizenship, and the Gov's actions only clarified what that noncitizens in Arizona will, and have always, been entitled to. Sadly, neither of them did much to help either side, or fix this large problem.

[Que Saudade 284]

Sadly, neither of them did much to help either side, or fix this large problem.

JMH, this we agree on.....

[JMH 21]

I know I sound cruel and insensitive in my posts sometimes, but I think we can also agree that the children brought here illegally and without choice still don't have any good option available to them. As we read, this option is only available to the best of them (in school or with military service, and without crimes). This program does target the type of people we would benefit from keeping here at least. I don't know a fair, or good way to do it, but I wouldn't mind if they became citizens eventually. I'm just not sure it's fair to give them preference over the other immigrant applicants wanting to serve in our armed forces, or with needed degrees, and no criminal records who want to do it the correct way. I might sound cruel again, but if/when they do become citizens, I don't want them to be able to sponsor the parent who did knowingly break our laws. That would be rewarding criminal activity by an informed adult, in my opinion.

[Que Saudade 284]

I know I sound cruel and insensitive in my posts sometimes, but I think we can also agree that the children brought here illegally and without choice still don't have any good option available to them. As we read, this option is only available to the best of them (in school or with military service, and without crimes). This program does target the type of people we would benefit from keeping here at least. I don't know a fair, or good way to do it, but I wouldn't mind if they became citizens eventually. I'm just not sure it's fair to give them preference over the other immigrant applicants wanting to serve in our armed forces, or with needed degrees, and no criminal records who want to do it the correct way. I might sound cruel again, but if/when they do become citizens, I don't want them to be able to sponsor the parent who did knowingly break our laws. That would be rewarding criminal activity by an informed adult, in my opinion.

Again, we agree. I think that all of these issues that are happening will force congress to re-address immigration. They shouldn't get any preference, except that they get to apply for some sort of amnesty and given a chance to walk the line. (so to speak)

No amnesty at all for the persons responsible for the border crossings.

Now I will sound cruel..

#1-I don't think anyone should be able to adjust from tourist visa or VWP. Either you file immigrant visa or you don't. Take the whole issue of intent completely out of it.

#2-K1 applicants should have minimum 2 visits and 21 days combined face to face time.

CR1 process I don't have any opinions..... Maybe examine how long someone knew each other prior to getting married???? Sort of the face to face time as K1 prior to getting married.

You can come to US to get married, but you can't adjust because you didn't follow rule #1...

Cut the time for AOS for K1 as you have basically been pre-adjudicated to enter US as fiancé. Background checks have been done. Just verify the marriage.

Validity of relationship at removal of conditions.

Any business or person that employs (pays cash etc...) an alien that does not have proper credentials (GC/EAD/SS card). Shall have a very stiff penalty imposed against them depending on severity and counts.

I am sure there are better ideas than this, but just my opinion.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Yes when one gets a DL in Tx with I551 stamp in passport they give a DL which says Temp Visitor and later when one gets DL with 2 yr GC they give a DL with a Limited Term Printed on top.

After a chat with supervisor at DMV office he showed me how the state guides them on how long the DL can be and what is to be printed on top.

Little off topic but when I tried to add my wife to my insurance they demanded a SSN. I explained they we were waiting until until name change was official to apply. Hr and the first level at customer service of insurance company refused. I not so subtlety explained ho this was a violation of law. They soon found away to register her without it.

[JMH 21]

Agreed, we can't reward anybody that knowingly breaks our laws. It's not fair to the honest applicants and encourages the criminal way of getting here (and making our problem larger). Citizenship for the children approved for this program isn't a huge stretch. If a mother illegally crosses the border and has her child on American soil, they're a citizen but she is not. These children approved for this program have shown respect for our laws, and contributed to our society. It's not unreasonable for them to eventually become USCs. This program doesn't do that for them. As we agreed, politics ruined a chance to improve people's lives and fix a large problem.

As for the bussiness being punished for hiring (and exploiting) anybody without the legal recourse fight back, I agree. It's difficult to accomplish this because bussinesses can profit from it, so no solution will come from them. Legal immigrants don't have this problem, and illegal immigrants/aliens are neither voters, or are in a hurry for a system that checks if they are legal to work here. Dangerous and sad, or not, it's how they support themselves here if they are allowed to work here legally, yet.

Honestly, I'm new here and I don't know much about your suggestions. I'm still learning. I will say that I'm applying for a K1, and I wouldn't mind your suggestion of 2 visits and a combined 21 days. I was lucky enough to have 23 days with her on my first visit and can't wait to visit again (even though it's hard for me to get to Belarus). It would cut down on some fraud, but it would also be hard for some couples. Of course, no part of this process was made easy, as I'm learning!

[Que Saudade 284]

Little off topic but when I tried to add my wife to my insurance they demanded a SSN. I explained they we were waiting until until name change was official to apply. Hr and the first level at customer service of insurance company refused. I not so subtlety explained ho this was a violation of law. They soon found away to register her without it.

Glad you stood your ground. Fortunately, we did not have that problem with getting insurance. They did ask me for marriage certificate to prove she was my spouse. No problem after that....

[Karee 4,191]

Again, we agree. I think that all of these issues that are happening will force congress to re-address immigration. They shouldn't get any preference, except that they get to apply for some sort of amnesty and given a chance to walk the line. (so to speak)

No amnesty at all for the persons responsible for the border crossings.

Now I will sound cruel..

#1-I don't think anyone should be able to adjust from tourist visa or VWP. Either you file immigrant visa or you don't. Take the whole issue of intent completely out of it.

#2-K1 applicants should have minimum 2 visits and 21 days combined face to face time.

CR1 process I don't have any opinions..... Maybe examine how long someone knew each other prior to getting married???? Sort of the face to face time as K1 prior to getting married.

You can come to US to get married, but you can't adjust because you didn't follow rule #1...

Cut the time for AOS for K1 as you have basically been pre-adjudicated to enter US as fiancé. Background checks have been done. Just verify the marriage.

Validity of relationship at removal of conditions.

Any business or person that employs (pays cash etc...) an alien that does not have proper credentials (GC/EAD/SS card). Shall have a very stiff penalty imposed against them depending on severity and counts.

I am sure there are better ideas than this, but just my opinion.

Agree totally with #1 and #2. I always found it odd that it takes longer for a married couple to immigrate, than a non-married couple that met once in the last 2 years.

Edited August 30, 2012 by Karee

[Que Saudade 284]

Agree totally with #1 and #2. I always found it odd that it takes longer for a married couple to immigrate, than a non-married couple that met once in the last 2 years.

Or better yet, someone on vacation in US and meets someone, gets married, adjusts and has green card before someone filing CR1 gets approved and way ahead of K1 getting a green card by more than a year..!!

Edited August 30, 2012 by Que Saudade