New Immigration Policy Controversy in Arizona

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

You do realize all of us here are illegal aliens?

You are? Cool. Maybe ICE can ask the site administrator for your ISP, as we know this website does not tolerate any illegal activity.

[JMH 21]

Thanks Que Saudade for pointing out another reason I’m correct. For the illegal aliens, there is NO money to be made here legally. Employment fraud is the least dangerous way they earn money here, trust me, I live it! I’m glad we both understand that.

[Que Saudade 284]

You are? Cool. Maybe ICE can ask the site administrator for your ISP, as we know this website does not tolerate any illegal activity.

You are either a politician or a reporter.... You perfectly take things out of context.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

You are either a politician or a reporter.... You perfectly take things out of context.

There is no context to hyperbole. Thanks for playing.

[JMH 21]

I’m not Native American. Nor am I an illegal alien. It’s actually quite a coincidence, but just the other day I was collecting all the proof of my citizenship (passport, birth certificate, Arizona driver’s license) for a petition. I’d be happy to send you some of it, if it would help you to not worry about me.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Amazing.. Let's keep them here, but not allow them to work or pay taxes. What a crock of ####.

Lets TAX anyone that exploits illegals to avoid our wage and hour laws and other labor laws $100.000 per day per illegal. Seize property to pay the tax. Employ illegals then lose your home, business, property. Period. No jobs, no illegals. Self deportation. Anyone that is not in support of this believes in the continued exploitation and smuggling of human beings for corporate profit.

I am NOT an illegal alien, neither is my wife and the so called "native Americans" are simply Europeans and Asians that got here before we did. So what?

Edited August 29, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[Que Saudade 284]

Lets TAX anyone that exploits illegals to avoid our wage and hour laws and other labor laws $100.000 per day per illegal. Seize property to pay the tax. Employ illegals then lose your home, business, property. Period. No jobs, no illegals. Self deportation. Anyone that is not in support of this believes in the continued exploitation and smuggling of human beings for corporate profit.

I am NOT an illegal alien, neither is my wife and the so called "native Americans" are simply Europeans and Asians that got here before we did. So what?

I agree with you that any person caught using illegals should be punished. The sword should be dual edged.

The point of the second is back when our forefathers were colonizing the new land, there was no term for illegals. Most of the people came to the new world with no documentation at all. They were fleeing persecution and seeking economic opportunity. They left their "homes" in their original countries for a new life in a new land without papers.

The Declaration of Independence was a document of their own creation. (outside the laws of the Brits)

For the next 122 years, growth in the US occurred without a single resident categorized as "illegal" or "undocumented". Had this been in effect then, none of us would have been legal.

[X Factor 1,112]

I agree with you that any person caught using illegals should be punished. The sword should be dual edged.

The point of the second is back when our forefathers were colonizing the new land, there was no term for illegals. Most of the people came to the new world with no documentation at all. They were fleeing persecution and seeking economic opportunity. They left their "homes" in their original countries for a new life in a new land without papers.

The Declaration of Independence was a document of their own creation. (outside the laws of the Brits)

For the next 122 years, growth in the US occurred without a single resident categorized as "illegal" or "undocumented". Had this been in effect then, none of us would have been legal.

Yep all of us including the Pilgrims.

[JMH 21]

Just because we didn't always have the immigration laws we have now, doesn't mean the laws we DO have now shouldn't be followed. Do you really not agree that our current laws should be obeyed and enforced?

Oh, and you're wrong when you said "Had this been in effect then, none of us would have been legal" The USA has very generous policy, even today. I was born in the USA, and even if my parents were not here legally (and they are legal, and my grandparents are, ect ect), I would still be a USC by birth! That's a policy hard to beat! You theory that we would be illegal aliens is wrong on every level, in every way, for every period of time. Starting from when there was no policy through today, I would still be a legal USC every single time. My ancestors came from Ireland, legally. Even if they came illegally, I was borne here. So, I think it's safe to stop with your line of 'reasoning'. This false guilt won't change the law.

[Darnell 8,479]

Then is not now, alas.

[KayDeeCee 4,896]

Arizona also passed the new date for legal conception. They said pregnancy begins 2 weeks before conception.

#######??? Arizona has lost its mind... Talk about illegal aliens. They are from another planet

Forget biology. Women can get pregnant before being pregnant. Arizona says so.

I dislike the fact that my husband was never allowed to get a tourist visa to come visit me and meet my friend and family in my own country. I always had to travel to Mexico. All the Mexicans that entered illegally before he wanted to legally visit with me here are to blame for why it is so hard for a male Mexican to get a tourist visa. I am in no way in favor of people bypassing the laws and entering the US illegally. HOWEVER, children should not be punished for the crimes of their parents. Their parents entered illegally and brought their minor children along with them. Their parents would not have come without a way for them to make a living working undocumented(or with fake papers) here. Without the job opportunities, less will come. There have already been reports that the number entering from Mexico is down, and some have even gone back to Mexico because of the bad economy here.

Businesses should be punished for hiring undocumented workers and the immigration system needs an overhaul.

[JMH 21]

Jay-Kay,

I agree that businesses should be punished for knowingly hiring undocumented workers. Some businesses make a lot of money by hiring undocumented workers, so the push for fair reform won't becoming from the businesses! I'm sorry your husband couldn't visit you here. The people doing it the wrong way make it nearly impossible to do it the right way! It's hard to watch! I'm also in agreement that children should not be punished for their parent's crimes.

[Boiler 46,232]

Illegal presence does not start until the age of 18.

Children do not accumulate illegal presence.

[Karee 4,191]

If I walk into the bank down the street and stick a gun in the teller's face, should i be found not guilty because going to prison would put my children in a bad situation? Children pay for their parents breaking the law everyday. Nothing new.

[Que Saudade 284]

Just because we didn't always have the immigration laws we have now, doesn't mean the laws we DO have now shouldn't be followed. Do you really not agree that our current laws should be obeyed and enforced?

Absolutely. They should be followed. However, the law is discriminatory,plain and simple. If you don't want illegals working, fine I concur, then also amend the law that makes it illegal to hire these workers instead of exploiting them. People who take advantage of illegals for financial gain are no better than the early settlers who owned slaves.

Arizonans created this problem by utilizing a cheap labor force when it was to their benefit. Now, Arizona wants to cry victim to the very problem that was perpetuated by their greed.

I understand the citizen's perspective. They should also look at the root of the problem. There lies a primary cause to the current situation.