Immigrant wife entered marriage in bad faith

[livelife2dfullest 7]

You have a case and all you need to do is pick up the phone and call ICE. Also in my opinion when you confronted her and she told you that she will put things behind her, what she really meant is put things behind her after she get her permanent residency or till she get naturalized. Fellow Filipina hates me for speaking my mind whenever I heard cases like your story. But I just hope you won't be fool again twice. Good luck and hope you know what is the right thing to do.

[anetskie 0]

exactly

agree.

[ullnvrkno 95]

Hukler: no, USCIS shouldn't "babysit" someone's love life but they need to start REALLY scrutinizing relationships that go from meet online to married in less than a year.

[timetotakeaction 16]

Darnell, hit the nail on the head, make an appointment with your USCIS office and ask for an Ice Supervisor, submit you paperwork, but make sure you keep copies just in case your first submission is lost. Make sure you get the name of the person you talk to about your wife, make sure you get a contact number as well.

It seems you have given her every chance to work on the marriage, but she seems either unable or unwilling to.

You can only flog a dead horse for so long, and honestly it seems your marriage is dead in the water and was a non starter from before you married and brought her to the US.

Now you have told her how you feel you are going to have to be careful she can't find ways to accuse you in order to file VAWA, protect yourself and good luck

I am quite aware that the marriage is dead, and really was never truly alive. I have not told my wife how I feel. My planning is secret to her---she thinks I am going to file her ROC for her. I do not think that she even is aware yet that is possible to lift conditions without my approval. In fact, due to the delays and experiences of others she knows, she is scared of the process, and fears any hitch may cause a denial.

Chat logs, FB pages can easily be faked.

Could they be faked? Sure, I guess they could. However, the hundreds of comments in her native tongue, using slang, taglish, and filipino expressions---I would have to be a linguistic genious to pull that off, and I am not.

I am not sure if the ICE will accept evidences that wasn't acquired in legal way. I am not in favor of what the OP's wife did, but the OP should also be aware of legal issues before these evidences be turned around and used against the OP by itself because he got the evidences in an illegal way.

To the OP, I hope everything goes well sooner and not later and hopefully your wife pays for whatever wrong she had done.

n

Well, the facebook profile was public, so nothing illegal about obtaining that. Plus, yahoo chat logs on my own computers are not illegally obtained either. I have never known any of her passwords, even though she belives I somehow obtained it. Not too hard to in the early versions of yahoo messenger to display all chat logs.

My two-cent worth: file for a divorce and move on with your life. Let her deal with the USCIS and the chips fall where they may. If you make it your goal to exact retribution from the situation. It may very well end up consuming you.

f

Of course, I will at some point file for divorce, and move on with my life. I am not out to dwell on any of this. I also am not seeking retribution----I rather just want to get the 894 obligation terminated, and see her return to her own country, so she may be with family, and a man she will love.

OP, is this your first marriage?

yes

If you want to pursue thing with ICE, pick up the phone and call. Don't wander around VJ building up support. Take your shot with reporting it. That's the only way to know if what you have as evidence is going to make be sufficient. My understanding is that you have to present a strong case for ICE to expend energy.

Also, divorce and move on from the marriage. Trying to exact some sort of "payback" is ultimately a waste of good energy.

I am not trying to build support, but rather an trying to find out if there are better strategies that have higher success rates in submitting a fraud report. I think love photos, love chats, and cybersex within days of a marriage are a pretty strong case. "Payback" is not my intent, but rather protecting myself from any false claims or financial risk is the goal.

I gotta say to the OP.....I hate to be a party pooper, but I walked down this road many years ago.

ICE does not really give a damn about your problem.....maybe they do, but they do NOT have the resources to investigate. To you this seems very important, but to them, they have much bigger fish to fry.

They will take your information over the phone, no problem, and that is where it will end.

You can continue to persue this if you like, but they have seen this so many times they are numb to your circumstance.

Not much investigation needed on their part---I did that work for them, and it will be clearly laid out for them. The only effort they will have to make is to attach the info to her A file so it will be included in any possible filing she could make.

Go to the police station and ask one or two cops to go with you to your house and ask her to leave.The cops would take her out of your house,ask them the police report ok. Surprise her and then she won't have time to "prepare" a Vawa case.

I bet she will file I-751 based in Vawa, then before she gets the papers ready for Vawa you should take some action. Hide all documents regarding the marriage,let her kill herself trying to prove a bonafide marriage.Call ICE when she leaves, divorce and move on.Good luck

I do plan to take possession of any documents and filings to make it more difficult to file alone.

uhmmm i think ur not a stupid guy so do the right thing to do and send her back to the Philippines... she doesnt worth for ur love, time, money, and effort

I wish it were so easy, I cannot force her onto a place home. I can offer, however, to buy her a one-way ticket, and provide a temporary monthly support---but only if she goes back voluntarily.

FB can be set private, ofcourse if there is a subpeona issued then it i legal, it wasn't implied if and when the profile was set private or not. Even in what way OP obtains the chat logs, if and when his wife is really doing anything, it doesn't make sense for the OP's wife to give the OP the log in. Without subpeona, whatever he have acquired is done in an illegal way. But, i am not here to say I am right, it is best to seek advice from people who really can help him. My point is, it always is best to make moves in the right way than be sorry. And yes you are right, th OP should make an attempt, nobody here says don't...just do it in a way that will not add more to the problem there is now.

Recovering data files from my own computer is not illegal in any way.

Not if she's doing it on his PC.

M

BINGO

[Darnell 8,478]

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[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Yes it would have. Read this...

Yeah.. but then he confronted her... she played her tune.. he gave her more time to adjust.. and still is married to her now...

The end results would be the same just with a slightly altered timeline.

I think for legitimate couples it has merit (time to find out you hate the place and it culture) but scammers will just work it into the timelines and adjust.

There was an article some time back that had a list of fixes for the current system. The two main points were the elimination of K-1 visas and co-sponsors.

[amerisian 5]

Sorry to hear that.... I agree with first post... RE: get an infopass and talk to any personnel in USCIS, best thing to do is to remove her LPR and send her back to the Philippines.

[Darnell 8,478]

not 'any' - solely the ICE Shift Supervisor .

[Peter_Pan 661]

Poor girl, though, it can't be easy for her either. It would kill me not to be close to my beloved and have to lay in bed every night with someone I don't care for, simply because I was born in a poor country and my family uses me as a way out of misery.

[timetotakeaction 16]

I see a very likely scenario where once I meet with ICE/USCIS, provide the evidence, show her the piles of fraud evidence submitted, and make it clear that I am not going to support her petition to remove conditions, she will not take on trying to file alone. She fears confrontation regarding any wrongdoing on her part, and she is not a persistent and optimistic person. She always believes the worst case scenario is what she will be faced with, and lacks confidence in herself. I know things could go much different than I am hoping, however I think an offer to pay for her flight home, and an offer to provide temporary support, on condition he returns, will be a feasible outcome.

But I am not naive----I will protect myself from possible VAWA claims as much as possible, and assume she will pursue ROC regardless.

I am just looking for ideas that will limit her options, and ideas to convince her that returning home is her best option.

[DeniseFrance 14]

simple, contact the authorities and have her deported. FAST!

[timetotakeaction 16]

Poor girl, though, it can't be easy for her either. It would kill me not to be close to my beloved and have to lay in bed every night with someone I don't care for, simply because I was born in a poor country and my family uses me as a way out of misery.

Oh. true---you are right there. Really I am going to take this action for her sake, not mine. This will be the biggest gift I can offer---to send her home, and release her from the misery of life in the USA, and return her the better quality of life she came from. I am trying to be selfless.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Just one more thing to add.

The State department is also cuplable. A type of visa needs to be created that will give K1 beneficiaries a tourist type of visa for that 90 days before the K1 kicks in. The tourit visa type will have no benefit except taht it can be upgraded to a K1 stateside. It will also NEVER have an opportunity to be converted to a resident path.

This gives every one involved an opportunity to test the waters, so to speak.

Oh good Lord! Yes let's add another layer to this already arduous process!

[del-2-5-2014 1,339]

1346116738[/url]' post='5644167']

You expect the gov't to "babysit" your private love life?

When you marry another USC and the relationship doesn't work out and ends up in a divorce, who you gonna look up to for protection?

Get real! If you spend that much time with her in the past and couldn't smell her "fake" scent, then don't blame it on the USCIS.

Back the topic, OP's issue, divorce her, and then try to learn something (as in not to commit in a relationship too quickly in the future so he can have sufficient time to investigate the other party).

1346119542[/url]' post='5644294']

Yeah.. but then he confronted her... she played her tune.. he gave her more time to adjust.. and still is married to her now...

The end results would be the same just with a slightly altered timeline.

I think for legitimate couples it has merit (time to find out you hate the place and it culture) but scammers will just work it into the timelines and adjust.

There was an article some time back that had a list of fixes for the current system. The two main points were the elimination of K-1 visas and co-sponsors.

The only confrontation should be having her removed. With my plan she would never ever get that touristy visa changed to a K1.

1346120317[/url]' post='5644332']

Poor girl, though, it can't be easy for her either. It would kill me not to be close to my beloved and have to lay in bed every night with someone I don't care for, simply because I was born in a poor country and my family uses me as a way out of misery.

Sad.

[livelife2dfullest 7]

I see a very likely scenario where once I meet with ICE/USCIS, provide the evidence, show her the piles of fraud evidence submitted, and make it clear that I am not going to support her petition to remove conditions, she will not take on trying to file alone. She fears confrontation regarding any wrongdoing on her part, and she is not a persistent and optimistic person. She always believes the worst case scenario is what she will be faced with, and lacks confidence in herself. I know things could go much different than I am hoping, however I think an offer to pay for her flight home, and an offer to provide temporary support, on condition he returns, will be a feasible outcome.

But I am not naive----I will protect myself from possible VAWA claims as much as possible, and assume she will pursue ROC regardless.

I am just looking for ideas that will limit her options, and ideas to convince her that returning home is her best option.

I think in reality she only have two options: either go back to the Philippines voluntarily or the other option is she'll get deported which is more shameful. I believe this is marriage Fraud.