Congress may be divided on Immigration, but Americans are not

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

Regardless of Heina's argument those who enter the USA illegally will continue to be known as criminlas and should be made to pay the price of their crime.

They are putting the safety and security of this nation in danger and thier acts should NOT be tolerated.

By Invading the USa they are costing Billions/ year, costing Lives of thousands of legal residents/citizens

They do NOT contribute to society by illegally working and sending money out of the country. Stealin Govt. aid.

Majority of voters are against Illegal Amnesty and will vote against any legsilation that grants special privilage or amnesty to those who break the law by entering the USA Illegally.

90% of whom continue to commit crimes & willingly violate the law.

When the Drug cartels are involved with smuggling Aliens into the country it is a call for military presence on the southern Border.

When USA Border patrol agents are convicted and sent to prison for chasing down a DRUG SMUGGLER who threatnes their lives that is a call for a Fence & Military Pressence on the boder. Whne 9/11 attacks happen because terrorits enter though southern border with THE HELP AND AID of COUNTRIES south of the border.

It is a call for IMMEDIATE ACTION to secure the border and deport anyone caught that has entered illegally.

Millions of Americans/residents have families to protect from , to protect from Drugs 90% of whihc come from the southern border brought by Illegal Aliens. violent 9/11 type terrorist acts.

i have no sympathy for those who KNOWINGLUY, WILLFULLY, comit crimes for their own personal Agenda.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

If Mexico is not that poor than why in the heck they are coming over here.

Because wealth and poverty are relative. The US is significantly more wealthier than they are. The border, if I may call it that, is porous. Hopping the border makes good sense. But to argue that Mexican children will starve if they don't is bullsh!t.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Okay honey Im leaving for america, I MIGHT DIE gettin there but IF I make it and IF I get a job I will be sending you money! this situation is so risky it shows NO responsibility towards the kids! This scenario could take a month or more! the kids would have died in that time!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well what is poor then? I mean can no money mean more in one country than another? I don't understand how there can be two people with no money, but one is poorer than the other because they're from a different country? How does that work?

Poverty isn't simply a function of the size of your bank balance. Poverty also goes to whether or not you wear clothes. Whether or not you wear footwear. Whether or not you have shelter. Whether you eat one meal a day or five meals a day or no meals a day. Whether or not you have access to primary education. Whether or not you have access to primary healthcare. Whether or not you have access to childhood vaccinations. Etc. Is Mexico poorer than the US? You betcha. Does Mexico have a leg to stand on when it argues it has poverty that is similar to that seen in Africa and Southern Asia? No. The whining about Mexican poverty is just that - whining. The kind of extreme poverty that exists in most of Africa simply does not exist in Mexico.

Mexicans hop the border because the US is wealthy and because they can. Not because they are looking for their next meal.

Edited October 23, 2006 by Gupt

[Ban Hammer 13,655]

God willing, and the creek don't rise. But that doesn't account for contingencies. Anyone, and I mean anyone, can find themselves in a desperate situation at some point in their life.

poor has varying degrees to it.

for example, do a query on this site:

link

mexico came in at 3819.09 per capita in the year 2000.

india came in at 459.36 per capita in the year 2000.

bangladesh came in at 373.18 per capita in the year 2000.

as you can see, there's poor, and then there is dirt poor

[Traviesa 0]

If Mexico is not that poor than why in the heck they are coming over here.

Because wealth and poverty are relative. The US is significantly more wealthier than they are. The border, if I may call it that, is porous. Hopping the border makes good sense. But to argue that Mexican children will starve if they don't is bullsh!t.

Ok you think the argument is BS. But if you don't have any money, and you can't get a job, how are you going to feed your kids? Might they starve? Where is your relief going to come from? What about in the case of an emergency for which you have no savings because the job you have doesn't pay enough to save any money (which is most of them)? Might you go hungry?

[Ban Hammer 13,655]

Mexico is really not that poor. The myth of extreme Mexican poverty is nothing but propoganda. Most of India and Bangladesh are way poorer than anything in Mexico.

Gupt, I'm going to have to beg to differ with you on that one, having been there several times to several parts of Mexico, and I can assure you-those people aren't playing a role.

Poverty is relative. You're American, they look poor to you.

The statistics don't lie though. Most countries in Africa and South Asia can out-poor any country in the Western Hemisphere (that includes Mexico) any day. By a huge margin.

Well what is poor then? I mean can no money mean more in one country than another? I don't understand how there can be two people with no money, but one is poorer than the other because they're from a different country? How does that work?

The reason you're saying that Charles, is because deep down in your heart, you know that you would do anything necessary and in your power to protect your children. That's why you're saying it's cheap-because you know it's a reason, but that takes away from your whole invasion theory, that people want to come here, just cause.

guessing on your part - i know better to not have more kids than i can support. and just because someone in mexico can't figure that out, why does such become the problem of the usa?

God willing, and the creek don't rise. But that doesn't account for contingencies. Anyone, and I mean anyone, can find themselves in a desperate situation at some point in their life.

i've got a word for it.......it's an excuse.

Heina said:

Yes it does matter. Because if I were to say that, just to be naughty, I'm going to illegally cross over the border to the USA today, because frankly, I don't have any respect for their laws, and I'm going to see how much trouble I can get into while I'm there...it's very different than saying, you know, I don't really want to go, I'm going to miss my wife and kids like crazy, but we've got to eat, I don't have any other choice, and I know that I may never get through that walk through the desert, but what kind of a father would I be to let my kids starve, and I better be careful while I'm there so I can spend enough time and make enough money to last us... I would say there's two drastically different motives, mindsets, and interests in coming to this country and that it will influence what they do while they're here.

cmon Heina, thats weak! I cant beleive what your saying!

No it was completely serious. They write songs about this down there. The plight of the "mojado" who does his familial duty.

Stay together in their home country maybe, what a concept!

Yeah, and watch your kids die..what a lovely thought. I'm glad to know that's what you would do. Thank God you're not my husband.

Mexico is really not that poor. The myth of extreme Mexican poverty is nothing but propoganda. Most of India and Bangladesh are way poorer than anything in Mexico.

If Mexico is not that poor than why in the heck they are coming over here.

cause some people can't see the forest for the trees, and we (america) let them.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

If Mexico is not that poor than why in the heck they are coming over here.

Because wealth and poverty are relative. The US is significantly more wealthier than they are. The border, if I may call it that, is porous. Hopping the border makes good sense. But to argue that Mexican children will starve if they don't is bullsh!t.

Ok you think the argument is BS. But if you don't have any money, and you can't get a job, how are you going to feed your kids? Might they starve? Where is your relief going to come from? What about in the case of an emergency for which you have no savings because the job you have doesn't pay enough to save any money (which is most of them)? Might you go hungry?

The rural poor in India face that situation on a daily basis. They migrate to a big city and find opportunity elsewhere within India. If they were in close proximity to an international border with a very wealthy country on the other side, maybe they'd hop the border instead. People will break the law when the benefits outweigh the consequences. The solution is to raise the consequences.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Okay honey Im leaving for america, I MIGHT DIE gettin there but IF I make it and IF I get a job I will be sending you money! this situation is so risky it shows NO responsibility towards the kids! This scenario could take a month or more! the kids would have died in that time!

If Mexico is not that poor than why in the heck they are coming over here.

Because wealth and poverty are relative. The US is significantly more wealthier than they are. The border, if I may call it that, is porous. Hopping the border makes good sense. But to argue that Mexican children will starve if they don't is bullsh!t.

Ok you think the argument is BS. But if you don't have any money, and you can't get a job, how are you going to feed your kids? Might they starve? Where is your relief going to come from? What about in the case of an emergency for which you have no savings because the job you have doesn't pay enough to save any money (which is most of them)? Might you go hungry?

[Traviesa 0]

Okay honey Im leaving for america, I MIGHT DIE gettin there but IF I make it and IF I get a job I will be sending you money! this situation is so risky it shows NO responsibility towards the kids! This scenario could take a month or more! the kids would have died in that time!

If you're going to make it across the desert, it will be in approximately 3 days time. If you're taking any longer, you're not going to make it. Yes, it is risky. And like I've said before, I can only imagine the measure of desperation it would take to come to that as your only solution.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Okay honey Im leaving for america, I MIGHT DIE gettin there but IF I make it and IF I get a job I will be sending you money! this situation is so risky it shows NO responsibility towards the kids! This scenario could take a month or more! the kids would have died in that time!

If you're going to make it across the desert, it will be in approximately 3 days time. If you're taking any longer, you're not going to make it. Yes, it is risky. And like I've said before, I can only imagine the measure of desperation it would take to come to that as your only solution.

Call it desperate, I call it plain stupid!

[Ban Hammer 13,655]

Okay honey Im leaving for america, I MIGHT DIE gettin there but IF I make it and IF I get a job I will be sending you money! this situation is so risky it shows NO responsibility towards the kids! This scenario could take a month or more! the kids would have died in that time!

If you're going to make it across the desert, it will be in approximately 3 days time. If you're taking any longer, you're not going to make it. Yes, it is risky. And like I've said before, I can only imagine the measure of desperation it would take to come to that as your only solution.

presuming one crosses in the desert. the illegal that i know (who was able to get a green card from the first amnesty) didn't cross any desert. it was much easier for him to get across the border in texas. it's not a life harrowing journey every time.

[eric&gen 0]

Something needs to be done about it coz California is over popluated as is with them and thay are taking our jobs.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Okay honey Im leaving for america, I MIGHT DIE gettin there but IF I make it and IF I get a job I will be sending you money! this situation is so risky it shows NO responsibility towards the kids! This scenario could take a month or more! the kids would have died in that time!

If you're going to make it across the desert, it will be in approximately 3 days time. If you're taking any longer, you're not going to make it. Yes, it is risky. And like I've said before, I can only imagine the measure of desperation it would take to come to that as your only solution.

presuming one crosses in the desert. the illegal that i know (who was able to get a green card from the first amnesty) didn't cross any desert. it was much easier for him to get across the border in texas. it's not a life harrowing journey every time.

hey Charles SHHHHHHHHH LOL

Edited October 23, 2006 by Carol&Marc

[Traviesa 0]

Okay honey Im leaving for america, I MIGHT DIE gettin there but IF I make it and IF I get a job I will be sending you money! this situation is so risky it shows NO responsibility towards the kids! This scenario could take a month or more! the kids would have died in that time!

If you're going to make it across the desert, it will be in approximately 3 days time. If you're taking any longer, you're not going to make it. Yes, it is risky. And like I've said before, I can only imagine the measure of desperation it would take to come to that as your only solution.

presuming one crosses in the desert. the illegal that i know (who was able to get a green card from the first amnesty) didn't cross any desert. it was much easier for him to get across the border in texas. it's not a life harrowing journey every time.

My Javier didn't cross the desert either.