Congress may be divided on Immigration, but Americans are not

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Yes it does matter. Because if I were to say that, just to be naughty, I'm going to illegally cross over the border to the USA today, because frankly, I don't have any respect for their laws, and I'm going to see how much trouble I can get into while I'm there...it's very different than saying, you know, I don't really want to go, I'm going to miss my wife and kids like crazy, but we've got to eat, I don't have any other choice, and I know that I may never get through that walk through the desert, but what kind of a father would I be to let my kids starve, and I better be careful while I'm there so I can spend enough time and make enough money to last us... I would say there's two drastically different motives, mindsets, and interests in coming to this country and that it will influence what they do while they're here.

• In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

• The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.

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Immigration politics have similarly harmed New York. Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the city's sanctuary policy against a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS. Oh yeah? said Giuliani; just watch me. The INS, he claimed, with what turned out to be grotesque irony, only aims to "terrorize people." Though he lost in court, he remained defiant to the end. On September 5, 2001, his handpicked charter-revision committee ruled that New York could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential to preserve trust between immigrants and government. Six days later, several visa-overstayers participated in the most devastating attack on the city and the country in history.

New York conveniently forgot the 1996 federal ban on sanctuary laws until a gang of five Mexicans-four of them illegal-abducted and brutally raped a 42-year-old mother of two near some railroad tracks in Queens. The NYPD had already arrested three of the illegal aliens numerous times for such crimes as assault, attempted robbery, criminal trespass, illegal gun possession, and drug offenses. The department had never notified the INS.

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Ok, I know lots of illegals but none of them are gangsters/murderers/whatever them other things are.

No it was completely serious. They write songs about this down there. The plight of the "mojado" who does his familial duty.

so it's a family duty to invade the usa?

No, it is a family duty to feed your kids, to provide for them if you are able to do so. Do you disagree with that?

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Heina said:

Yes it does matter. Because if I were to say that, just to be naughty, I'm going to illegally cross over the border to the USA today, because frankly, I don't have any respect for their laws, and I'm going to see how much trouble I can get into while I'm there...it's very different than saying, you know, I don't really want to go, I'm going to miss my wife and kids like crazy, but we've got to eat, I don't have any other choice, and I know that I may never get through that walk through the desert, but what kind of a father would I be to let my kids starve, and I better be careful while I'm there so I can spend enough time and make enough money to last us... I would say there's two drastically different motives, mindsets, and interests in coming to this country and that it will influence what they do while they're here.

cmon Heina, thats weak! I cant beleive what your saying!

No it was completely serious. They write songs about this down there. The plight of the "mojado" who does his familial duty.

Stay together in their home country maybe, what a concept!

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I don't see why they wouldn't. Despite whatever their mindset might be (criminal or otherwise) what kind of illegal wants to get caught? I would think they would do whatever necessary to stay UNDER the radar.

oh what a wonderful chicken and egg argument here. they won't break the law as they want to stay under the radar...yet to get here they have to break the law, which is not staying under the radar.......

And that again comes back to the reason they come here in the first place. Is it because they're evil people who have nothing better to do in life than cross borders and break laws? Or is it something else?

does it matter what they cross the border for? it's still an illegal act.

Yes it does matter. Because if I were to say that, just to be naughty, I'm going to illegally cross over the border to the USA today, because frankly, I don't have any respect for their laws, and I'm going to see how much trouble I can get into while I'm there...it's very different than saying, you know, I don't really want to go, I'm going to miss my wife and kids like crazy, but we've got to eat, I don't have any other choice, and I know that I may never get through that walk through the desert, but what kind of a father would I be to let my kids starve, and I better be careful while I'm there so I can spend enough time and make enough money to last us... I would say there's two drastically different motives, mindsets, and interests in coming to this country and that it will influence what they do while they're here.

What about other peoples from other places in this world, they are in worse positions and suffer more and can't simply cross the border.

There is a process and it is set in place to insure that USA does not turn into a poverty stricken nation, laws are here to insure prosperity and freedom, by ignoring those laws we risk the nations future.

I am a father I understand doing whatever neccesary to care for my family. However, if i commit a crime in the process I understand that there are consequences.

Those who entered illegally should NOT be given any special privliages, they should have to go back home and wait to legally enter, in the meantime a program should be set in place to Aide and help intending legal immigrants to enter the USA to work and become Citizens in an expediant process. USA should address countries south of the broder to help their people, also enforce policies to ensure these countries take care of their people better, In addition reduce foriegn aide or trade with these countries, after all we are supporting their people who ocme here illegally.

USC and legal residents have to answer for crimes they commit, there are people in this country ( citizens, children elderly, legal residents) suffering from poverty and have no jobs if they commit a crime to feed their families they have to face the consequence of breaking the law. Why should an Illegal Alien regardless of intentions be allowed to break the law ( many laws) without consequence??

They SHOULDN'T

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Heina said:

Yes it does matter. Because if I were to say that, just to be naughty, I'm going to illegally cross over the border to the USA today, because frankly, I don't have any respect for their laws, and I'm going to see how much trouble I can get into while I'm there...it's very different than saying, you know, I don't really want to go, I'm going to miss my wife and kids like crazy, but we've got to eat, I don't have any other choice, and I know that I may never get through that walk through the desert, but what kind of a father would I be to let my kids starve, and I better be careful while I'm there so I can spend enough time and make enough money to last us... I would say there's two drastically different motives, mindsets, and interests in coming to this country and that it will influence what they do while they're here.

cmon Heina, thats weak! I cant beleive what your saying!

No it was completely serious. They write songs about this down there. The plight of the "mojado" who does his familial duty.

Stay together in their home country maybe, what a concept!

Yeah, and watch your kids die..what a lovely thought. I'm glad to know that's what you would do. Thank God you're not my husband.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

No, it is a family duty to feed your kids, to provide for them if you are able to do so. Do you disagree with that?

using kids as the reason to invade the usa is cheap..........

i don't suppose it dawned on anyone not to have kids or so many if feeding them is an issue?

Edited October 23, 2006 by charlesandnessa

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No, it is a family duty to feed your kids, to provide for them if you are able to do so. Do you disagree with that?

using kids as the reason to invade the usa is cheap..........

In your opinion, but what if that's the reason???

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Heina said:

Yes it does matter. Because if I were to say that, just to be naughty, I'm going to illegally cross over the border to the USA today, because frankly, I don't have any respect for their laws, and I'm going to see how much trouble I can get into while I'm there...it's very different than saying, you know, I don't really want to go, I'm going to miss my wife and kids like crazy, but we've got to eat, I don't have any other choice, and I know that I may never get through that walk through the desert, but what kind of a father would I be to let my kids starve, and I better be careful while I'm there so I can spend enough time and make enough money to last us... I would say there's two drastically different motives, mindsets, and interests in coming to this country and that it will influence what they do while they're here.

cmon Heina, thats weak! I cant beleive what your saying!

No it was completely serious. They write songs about this down there. The plight of the "mojado" who does his familial duty.

Stay together in their home country maybe, what a concept!

Yeah, and watch your kids die..what a lovely thought. I'm glad to know that's what you would do. Thank God you're not my husband.

Mexico is really not that poor. The myth of extreme Mexican poverty is nothing but propoganda. Most of India and Bangladesh are way poorer than anything in Mexico.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

No, it is a family duty to feed your kids, to provide for them if you are able to do so. Do you disagree with that?

using kids as the reason to invade the usa is cheap..........

In your opinion, but what if that's the reason???

already stated. cheap!

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Heina said:

Yes it does matter. Because if I were to say that, just to be naughty, I'm going to illegally cross over the border to the USA today, because frankly, I don't have any respect for their laws, and I'm going to see how much trouble I can get into while I'm there...it's very different than saying, you know, I don't really want to go, I'm going to miss my wife and kids like crazy, but we've got to eat, I don't have any other choice, and I know that I may never get through that walk through the desert, but what kind of a father would I be to let my kids starve, and I better be careful while I'm there so I can spend enough time and make enough money to last us... I would say there's two drastically different motives, mindsets, and interests in coming to this country and that it will influence what they do while they're here.

cmon Heina, thats weak! I cant beleive what your saying!

No it was completely serious. They write songs about this down there. The plight of the "mojado" who does his familial duty.

Stay together in their home country maybe, what a concept!

Yeah, and watch your kids die..what a lovely thought. I'm glad to know that's what you would do. Thank God you're not my husband.

Mexico is really not that poor. The myth of extreme Mexican poverty is nothing but propoganda. Most of India and Bangladesh are way poorer than anything in Mexico.

Gupt, I'm going to have to beg to differ with you on that one, having been there several times to several parts of Mexico, and I can assure you-those people aren't playing a role.

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Heina said:

Yes it does matter. Because if I were to say that, just to be naughty, I'm going to illegally cross over the border to the USA today, because frankly, I don't have any respect for their laws, and I'm going to see how much trouble I can get into while I'm there...it's very different than saying, you know, I don't really want to go, I'm going to miss my wife and kids like crazy, but we've got to eat, I don't have any other choice, and I know that I may never get through that walk through the desert, but what kind of a father would I be to let my kids starve, and I better be careful while I'm there so I can spend enough time and make enough money to last us... I would say there's two drastically different motives, mindsets, and interests in coming to this country and that it will influence what they do while they're here.

cmon Heina, thats weak! I cant beleive what your saying!

No it was completely serious. They write songs about this down there. The plight of the "mojado" who does his familial duty.

Stay together in their home country maybe, what a concept!

Yeah, and watch your kids die..what a lovely thought. I'm glad to know that's what you would do. Thank God you're not my husband.

Well I wouldnt be havin kids for one, if I couldnt take care of them. Second why do they look to the U.S. Maybe they should stand up against their own government and demand a change! NO dont do that, america will provide!

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No, it is a family duty to feed your kids, to provide for them if you are able to do so. Do you disagree with that?

using kids as the reason to invade the usa is cheap..........

In your opinion, but what if that's the reason???

already stated. cheap!

The reason you're saying that Charles, is because deep down in your heart, you know that you would do anything necessary and in your power to protect your children. That's why you're saying it's cheap-because you know it's a reason, but that takes away from your whole invasion theory, that people want to come here, just cause.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Mexico is really not that poor. The myth of extreme Mexican poverty is nothing but propoganda. Most of India and Bangladesh are way poorer than anything in Mexico.

Gupt, I'm going to have to beg to differ with you on that one, having been there several times to several parts of Mexico, and I can assure you-those people aren't playing a role.

Poverty is relative. You're American, they look poor to you.

The statistics don't lie though. Most countries in Africa and South Asia can out-poor any country in the Western Hemisphere (that includes Mexico) any day. By a huge margin.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

The reason you're saying that Charles, is because deep down in your heart, you know that you would do anything necessary and in your power to protect your children. That's why you're saying it's cheap-because you know it's a reason, but that takes away from your whole invasion theory, that people want to come here, just cause.

guessing on your part - i know better to not have more kids than i can support. and just because someone in mexico can't figure that out, why does such become the problem of the usa?

[Traviesa 0]

Mexico is really not that poor. The myth of extreme Mexican poverty is nothing but propoganda. Most of India and Bangladesh are way poorer than anything in Mexico.

Gupt, I'm going to have to beg to differ with you on that one, having been there several times to several parts of Mexico, and I can assure you-those people aren't playing a role.

Poverty is relative. You're American, they look poor to you.

The statistics don't lie though. Most countries in Africa and South Asia can out-poor any country in the Western Hemisphere (that includes Mexico) any day. By a huge margin.

Well what is poor then? I mean can no money mean more in one country than another? I don't understand how there can be two people with no money, but one is poorer than the other because they're from a different country? How does that work?

The reason you're saying that Charles, is because deep down in your heart, you know that you would do anything necessary and in your power to protect your children. That's why you're saying it's cheap-because you know it's a reason, but that takes away from your whole invasion theory, that people want to come here, just cause.

guessing on your part - i know better to not have more kids than i can support. and just because someone in mexico can't figure that out, why does such become the problem of the usa?

God willing, and the creek don't rise. But that doesn't account for contingencies. Anyone, and I mean anyone, can find themselves in a desperate situation at some point in their life.

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Heina said:

Yes it does matter. Because if I were to say that, just to be naughty, I'm going to illegally cross over the border to the USA today, because frankly, I don't have any respect for their laws, and I'm going to see how much trouble I can get into while I'm there...it's very different than saying, you know, I don't really want to go, I'm going to miss my wife and kids like crazy, but we've got to eat, I don't have any other choice, and I know that I may never get through that walk through the desert, but what kind of a father would I be to let my kids starve, and I better be careful while I'm there so I can spend enough time and make enough money to last us... I would say there's two drastically different motives, mindsets, and interests in coming to this country and that it will influence what they do while they're here.

cmon Heina, thats weak! I cant beleive what your saying!

No it was completely serious. They write songs about this down there. The plight of the "mojado" who does his familial duty.

Stay together in their home country maybe, what a concept!

Yeah, and watch your kids die..what a lovely thought. I'm glad to know that's what you would do. Thank God you're not my husband.

Mexico is really not that poor. The myth of extreme Mexican poverty is nothing but propoganda. Most of India and Bangladesh are way poorer than anything in Mexico.

If Mexico is not that poor than why in the heck they are coming over here.